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Mr. Laz 08-29-2010 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 6962554)
The flea-flicker was on Albert as much as it is on Cassel. Albert didn't knock his guy down when he should had. The link that I am providing will show it, or at least I hope so.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v3...3.mp4&newest=1

How dare you say that Brandon Albert is the worse LT to ever play the game/Chiefzilla

ChiefsCountry 08-29-2010 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6962535)
I really think sometimes people bitch for the sake of bitching.

Blame the front office for not bringing great talent to the offensive line. But in terms of the coaching, Albert has most definitely progressed under Muir's watch and the run blocking has improved by leaps and bounds. And the pass protection went from swinging gate to giving Cassel more than enough time to make plays.

I don't blame Muir one bit for working with average talent (mostly) and for being asked to protect the QB who makes his offensive line significantly worse by poor decision making.

While Cassel makes the line look horrible, Albert hasn't progressed in his technique which is the biggest concern. Running game is better, but how much does Charles have to do with that?

chiefzilla1501 08-29-2010 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6962552)
i think you get upset and insulted and make things up.

logic test for you:

a. brandon albert had his worst game of the preseason
b. brandon albert is a bad player


Do comments A) and B) mean the same thing?

I didn't realize that when I said "people" that that was only a reference to you.

Laz = all people
Therefore,
I = Laz

Hmm... I get how logic works. This is fun.

chiefzilla1501 08-29-2010 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6962558)
How dare you say that Brandon Albert is the worse LT to ever play the game/Chiefzilla

"not nearly as bad" = "worst"

Pot --> kettle --> black

More fun logic games.

Marcellus 08-29-2010 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6962580)
While Cassel makes the line look horrible, Albert hasn't progressed in his technique which is the biggest concern. Running game is better, but how much does Charles have to do with that?

Seriously, does it matter as long as it is good?

Why bitch about something that isn't really an issue? Bitch about NT or Cassel shitting himself under pressure (which you will) or lack of Government understanding towards spending tax $.

Why bitch about a non issue?

Mr. Laz 08-29-2010 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6962581)
I didn't realize that when I said "people" that that was only a reference to you.

Laz = all people
Therefore,
I = Laz

Hmm... I get how logic works. This is fun.

hey ... you quoted me to start this off

if you aren't including me, then don't quote me

chiefzilla1501 08-29-2010 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6962580)
While Cassel makes the line look horrible, Albert hasn't progressed in his technique which is the biggest concern. Running game is better, but how much does Charles have to do with that?

Albert's technique is markedly better. He just doesn't do it as consistently as he should. Like I said, he went from 0 LT experience to being serviceable in year 1. Learned an entirely new blocking scheme with totally different technique in year 2 and went from swinging gate to decent not great by the end of the year. Unlike Cassel, we've seen progress from Albert which is all I can hope for. In terms of the running game, Albert, Lilja and Wiegmann have all been very good at blocking at the second level. Again, Albert still makes some small mistakes, but for the most part has been solid in this part of the game.

He's got to improve his consistency and in some cases, it seems to be more of a recognition of when to use one technique over the other. That should hopefully improve over time. But this preseason, he hasn't been dominated by any means by any pass rushers, and he's made a lot more good blocks on running plays than he's made mistakes. So I just think when people suggest that he's not progressing or getting better, I think they're generalizing the offensive line shortcomings on the Left Tackle only because it's the most prominent position on the line.

chiefzilla1501 08-29-2010 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6962599)
hey ... you quoted me to start this off

if you aren't including me, then don't quote me

Here was my exact post:
"When you see what you want to see, yes.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/8...aking-down-the

This guy for Arrowhead Pride has been breaking down the o-line tape play by play. Albert has not been nearly as bad as some people want to make him out to be."

Mohill: Mountain
Cabin:: Mansion

philfree 08-29-2010 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6962398)
My opinion is based on his play on the field.

What we get from this article is that he committed to maintaining weight and keeping in shape.

What we don't get from this article, or from his play on the field, is anything that suggests he committed to improving his technique.

There's nothing saying he hasn't committed either and it would be easy to think that he has indeed committed to improving his play because he did show up in the condition Haley wanted him in.

IMO he's probably working his ass off but he's still struggling with the techniques. He is improving slightly. If he keeps it up he might be a solid LT someday. I'd like to think all at once the light is gonna come on and he's gonna be the player we want him to be. I'd like to think that but I'm struggling with that technique.


PhilFree:arrow:

DaneMcCloud 08-29-2010 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 6962590)
Seriously, does it matter as long as it is good?

Why bitch about something that isn't really an issue? Bitch about NT or Cassel shitting himself under pressure (which you will) or lack of Government understanding towards spending tax $.

Why bitch about a non issue?

The running game has not been "good" without Jamaal Charles in these games. It's been average at best. The yards per carry between Charles and Jones is HUGE.

The Chiefs offensive line is NOT good. They're not even average right now. The pass blocking is well below average and the run blocking is average at best. Charles makes the line look better, Cassel makes the line look worse.

Niswanger and Weigman are not long-term answers, neither are Waters or O'Callaghan. Richardson is below average at right tackle. AND there is no depth. Asamoah does not appear ready to be a consistent 16 game starter at this point and Albert has not progressed as expected.

I'm shocked to be typing this but Ryan Lilja has been the best offensive lineman this preseason and Albert isn't even a close second.

SAUTO 08-29-2010 02:48 PM

but mccluster averaged 6 against philly too, dane.
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DaneMcCloud 08-29-2010 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6962739)
but mccluster averaged 6 against philly too, dane.
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That's not going to occur very often, especially with the pounding he takes. He's going to need to learn how to better manage the hits he takes or the guy won't last 2 years in the league.

SAUTO 08-29-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6962765)
That's not going to occur very often, especially with the pounding he takes. He's going to need to learn how to better manage the hits he takes or the guy won't last 2 years in the league.

i have the feeling hes gonna be all right. but i have nothing to really back it up, just a feeling.
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SAUTO 08-29-2010 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6962765)
That's not going to occur very often, especially with the pounding he takes. He's going to need to learn how to better manage the hits he takes or the guy won't last 2 years in the league.

i have the feeling hes gonna be all right. but i have nothing to really back it up, just a feeling.


please dont scream at me now....
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milkman 08-29-2010 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 6962677)
There's nothing saying he hasn't committed either and it would be easy to think that he has indeed committed to improving his play because he did show up in the condition Haley wanted him in.

IMO he's probably working his ass off but he's still struggling with the techniques. He is improving slightly. If he keeps it up he might be a solid LT someday. I'd like to think all at once the light is gonna come on and he's gonna be the player we want him to be. I'd like to think that but I'm struggling with that technique.


PhilFree:arrow:

Phil, no one wants to see Albert succeed more than me.

I have been on his bandwagon as a LT on this forum, or hell, anywhere, longer than anyone.

I was the first one anywhere, on here, the media, anywhere, that suggested he had the athletic ability to play LT.

If there's one guy who I want to succeed, it's Albert.

But I'm not going to close my eyes to the fact that he has not progressed from the end of last season.

That either suggests that he didn't work on improving his technique, or that he simply is not getting it.

I'd actually rather the former than the latter.


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