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Buehler445 10-31-2010 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7134078)
I disagree with the idea that you should run the ball on every third or fourth and short.

I do think, however, that lining up in a shotgun is not a good idea.
I don't know. I think if you're going to go for it on 4th down WITH THIS TEAM, you better be able to get it with the run. Cassel just isn't consistent enough. If you have Manning, sure, throw the ball. But Jesus. RUN THE BALL. Really, the only pass I'd like to see on 4th is getting the ball to McCluster or Charles out of the backfield.

3rd down, yeah, pass to get someone off guard. If the situation is right, go for a dagger.

gblowfish 10-31-2010 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 7134201)
George,

What did you think of Chambers today? How did he look? Besides being invisible. : )
He was dressed as a Chiefs Wide Receiver for Halloween.

KcFaNiNJerZeY 10-31-2010 08:34 PM
That 4th down stuff just kills me every single time Haily does it, but I can't argue the win! Great read to fish.

milkman 10-31-2010 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 7134403)
I don't know. I think if you're going to go for it on 4th down WITH THIS TEAM, you better be able to get it with the run. Cassel just isn't consistent enough. If you have Manning, sure, throw the ball. But Jesus. RUN THE BALL. Really, the only pass I'd like to see on 4th is getting the ball to McCluster or Charles out of the backfield.

3rd down, yeah, pass to get someone off guard. If the situation is right, go for a dagger.
Against the Texans, the chiefs failed to convert 3rd or 4th and short on 4 of 7 plays running the ball.

They converted 6 of 8 attempts passing the ball in those same situations.

I have no problem with the idea of passing on either down, but do it out of a play action, which worked well against the Texans.

gblowfish 10-31-2010 08:44 PM
There's a big difference between Houston's run defense and Buffalo.
Buffalo is one of the worst run stopping teams in the NFL. We should have run them out of the stadium by halftime.

milkman 10-31-2010 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 7134461)
There's a big difference between Houston's run defense and Buffalo.
Buffalo is one of the worst run stopping teams in the NFL. We should have run them out of the stadium by halftime.
I get that.

But there's also a difference between running the ball on first and 10 and 3rd and 1, and the Chiefs line is not built for straight power running, so even against the Bills, running in those situations is not a gimme.

Coach 10-31-2010 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7134442)
Against the Texans, the chiefs failed to convert 3rd or 4th and short on 4 of 7 plays running the ball.

They converted 6 of 8 attempts passing the ball in those same situations.

I have no problem with the idea of passing on either down, but do it out of a play action, which worked well against the Texans.
I would like to do a playaction, bootleg which would give Dumbass Cassel an option to either throw it to the TE/FB running out in the flat, or Cassel doing his prancing dancing moves, just to be borderline short or barely getting the first down.

I think that odds has a better probability of succeeding than a run play right up behind the Guard's ass for the 14th time.

Buehler445 10-31-2010 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7134442)
Against the Texans, the chiefs failed to convert 3rd or 4th and short on 4 of 7 plays running the ball.

They converted 6 of 8 attempts passing the ball in those same situations.

I have no problem with the idea of passing on either down, but do it out of a play action, which worked well against the Texans.
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7134483)
I get that.

But there's also a difference between running the ball on first and 10 and 3rd and 1, and the Chiefs line is not built for straight power running, so even against the Bills, running in those situations is not a gimme.
Very valid argument, and probably accurate, but it seems to me that on this team running is higher percentage. JMO.

By the by, it's nice to be talking about which weapons we should use, instead of "hey look. LJ ran off left guard. Neat."

gblowfish 10-31-2010 08:50 PM
They're better at power running this year than last year. They run over Waters, use Cox as a lead blocker, and have Battle or Jones who can make a 3rd and Short. Last year they had bupkus.

milkman 10-31-2010 08:57 PM
Again, I don't disagree with you George, they are better at power than they were last year.

But, once again, better than bad does not equal good.

I'd guess that we have about a 50% of winning those battles, but Buehler may be right in that our odds still might be better.

gblowfish 10-31-2010 09:01 PM
Yep, I agree.
They seem to go away from what's working, instead of forcing the opposition to stop what's working. That's my biggest beef. I also agree it's nice to debate what weapons are best to use in a game, versus the endless "why we lost a close game" threads like we had last year.

It's all good, my friend...

L.A. Chieffan 10-31-2010 09:12 PM
I agree with Las. Berry is garbage. We should probably cut our losses and get rid of him

milkman 10-31-2010 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 7134627)
I agree with Las. Berry is garbage. We should probably cut our losses and get rid of him
You mean Matt Lazzel, don't ya?

chiefzilla1501 10-31-2010 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 7134442)
Against the Texans, the chiefs failed to convert 3rd or 4th and short on 4 of 7 plays running the ball.

They converted 6 of 8 attempts passing the ball in those same situations.

I have no problem with the idea of passing on either down, but do it out of a play action, which worked well against the Texans.
I'm surprised they haven't used Battle more in these situations. I think he adds a dimension they never previously tried before and it's worked whenever we've used him. I also find it curious we don't sneak the ball more.

I agree that our line wasn't necessarily built for power running, but it seems like we try to get way too cute. If the Chiefs can be ultra successful up the middle when defenses are loading 8 to 9 in a box, I don't see why they couldn't be just as successful in short yardage situations.

EyePod 10-31-2010 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 7133962)
Far as point 2 goes, they're not as good as their record; HOWEVER, 9, 10 or 11 wins would be HUGE progress for a 4-win, rebuilding team, no matter who they come against. The hope is that they can then build on that with another good offseason filling more holes.

The other thing I'd say is that they're not 5-0 against bad teams while getting blown out by Indy/Houston; they were right in those games and outplayed Houston. They SHOULD be 6-1 with a couple solid wins (SD, @HOU).

I would be way, way less positive if they had been wrecked by those 2 AFC South teams. The losses were actually supportive of KC's progress as a team.
Buffalo outplayed us today and we won. Oakland outplayed Zona and lost. We outplayed Houston and lost. It happens all the time. We got the W, and come playoffs, no one will care how.


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