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aturnis

11-08-2011 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8091732)

absolutely he is ... but he played better than most of the team.

and yet people aren't talking about all those ****-ups they are still beating a dead horse about Cassel.

EVERYBODY here knows we need an upgrade at QB ... move the **** on.

every dam thread turns into something about Cassel, it's beyond stupid. You can't talk about anything else.

He's not the reason we lost, but he's the biggest reason we didn't win. A great QB can carry a terrible team. Look what Montana did here with terrible receivers. He made them look legit.

Nightfyre

11-08-2011 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88 (Post 8091723)

One of the problems that we have is offensive playcalling. It's been the same with Haley at the helm. Last year it was good because we had JC. Without JC, we are back to the same horrible, predictable calls.

It's clear that Haley is running the offense whether we want to admit it or not. He's not willing to change it. That is a problem.

He's good with developing players. That. Is. It.

Managing games, adjusting strategies, two minute offense, etc are all horrible.

He has not had a true signature win since he came here. We either beat shitty teams or have people like Phillip Rivers give us games.

I am starting to believe that his success in AZ were due to Whisenhunt and Kurt.

So what you are saying is...
he needs to hire a good OC and let him do his job and then he will be a terrific coach?

rocknrolla

11-08-2011 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 8091272)

I pretty much agree, but I think he needs a new OC (and obviously a QB). Offensive playcalling is atrocious.

I don't get the play calling. It's a joke. And getting the plays to Cassel makes all those offensive coaches look like reeruns.

Mr. Laz

11-08-2011 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 8091739)

I thought it is Weisenhunts down the field offense not Haley's. Seems like we are seeing Haley's offense right now.

Ding,Ding,Ding

How we really know what Haley's offense is? Whisenhunt had already installed the offense in Arizona when Haley took over the playcalling in week 10(or whatever). Kurt Warner,Larry Fitzgerald and Boldin were already in place as well.

Haley has NEVER installed/assembled an offense in the NFL or at any other level of football.

We have no idea what 'Haley's offense' is.

aturnis

11-08-2011 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute (Post 8091739)

I thought it is Weisenhunts down the field offense not Haley's. Seems like we are seeing Haley's offense right now.

We haven't seen a true vision of Haley's offense yet. Early on when he was calling plays in 09' he didn't have much in the ways of talent anywhere on the offense.

In 10' Weis stepped in and was greatly aided by the emergence of Charles, Bowe and Moeaki, as well as the addition of guys like Weigmann, and Lilja. He never really had the proper WR talent to work with though.

This year, we have the WR's, but are missing Charles and Moeaki. The guy who takes the heat off of the passing game and the reliable safety valve. It really hinders this offenses ability to be unpredictable.

Also, each and every year the offense has been hindered by the infamous Mark Castle.

Mr. Laz

11-08-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8091756)

He's not the reason we lost, but he's the biggest reason we didn't win. A great QB can carry a terrible team. Look what Montana did here with terrible receivers. He made them look legit.

Ya, you're right.

We need a great QB to carry our shitty coaching.

i got an idea ... why don't we try and do both, get a better QB and better coaching. Oh ya, nobody wants to talk about that ... only Cassel.

people all over the league are playing with less than franchise type QB's but that's the only thing people around here can bitch about.

aturnis

11-08-2011 11:37 AM

It's like many have said, put Rodgers, Brees, Brady or any other top flight QB on our team and we are Superbowl contenders.

loochy

11-08-2011 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8091775)

We have no idea what 'Haley's offense' is.

It seems to involve quite a few draws on 3rd and 10.

Fritz88

11-08-2011 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8091763)

So what you are saying is...
he needs to hire a good OC and let him do his job and then he will be a terrific coach?

Not really.

It's an indication of many other things. Most importantly, stubbornness.

A good OC is not going to fix time management issues or preseason experiments.

Mr. Laz

11-08-2011 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 8091763)

So what you are saying is...
he needs to hire a good OC and let him do his job and then he will be a terrific coach?

we already tried that ..... twice.

Haley refused.

Chiefnj2

11-08-2011 11:39 AM

Crennel has had a year and a half to figure out a way to pressure opposing QB's and he has failed miserably. Double team Hali and you have a perfect pocket.

Fritz88

11-08-2011 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8091790)

It's like many have said, put Rodgers, Brees, Brady or any other top flight QB on our team and we are Superbowl contenders.

With this current team?

Playoff, yes. SB. Hell no.

You saw how Jake Long raped Hali. Without Hali, you have no passrush. Without an effective passrush, you can't contend for SBs.

Mr. Laz

11-08-2011 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 8091790)

It's like many have said, put Rodgers, Brees, Brady or any other top flight QB on our team and we are Superbowl contenders.

or give us a real coach and we would be playoff caliber.

Fritz88

11-08-2011 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8091796)

we already tried that ..... twice.

Haley refused.

There you go.

Chan and Weis are two of the best OCs anyone would love to have. Haley ran them off.

Sofa King

11-08-2011 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8091788)

You don't think every team with a shitty QB is bitching about the QB?

QB is the most important position in the organization. Look at Mike Shanahan. Great QB resulted in multiple superbowl wins and more appearances. In Washington with no QB, he's a ****ing bust.

Fact is Haley is making the players on this team better, with the only exception being a shitty QB who has already hit his peak. I'd rather not burn this bitch down and start over already with a whole new staff. Get him a competent QB and we're a contender.

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