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'Hamas' Jenkins 11-08-2011 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093181)
Right now, we are 1 player away from competing.

Quarterback.

From being a legitimate superbowl favorite (as in a top 3 contender for the whole pie) I think we are probably 2 or 3, if they are the right players.

QB
RT
NT

The resto fo the pieces are there, they just need to develop IMO.

That's really foolish.

This team does not have the depth to withstand injuries, which will invariably happen.

With a franchise QB and a difference maker at NT, you're right that 1-22 would be good enough to compete with most any team. But 23-53 is still, by and large, a horrible collection of players.

BossChief 11-08-2011 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse (Post 8093192)
That's not happening, so why think about it?

Cassel is going to be the QB next year and will be bitching about the same things we have been bitching about since 2009.

Statistically he is on pace to have a nearly identical season.

No way, bro.

Look at how he handles pressure.

Now, look again at our upcoming schedule and its ability to rush the passer to further expose MC.

I think that if Cassel makes it out of that alive, he will have a very loose grip on the starters job.

O.city 11-08-2011 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093194)
I still think that once Stanzi gets a chance, a lot on this team will change for the better.

There will be growing pains, but there are really only 3 quarterbacks out of this upcoming class that I think might be better than him.

Luck
Barkley
Foles

I really dont think Landry Jones is head and shoulders a better quarterback.

I'll admit that about all I have seen on the guy was in the preseason (didn't watch alot of Iowa games) but I think you might be building Stanzi up a little.

If it were me (and i've already got trashed for this in the draft forum by jd) I'd try and get Mallet from the pats. I think we messed up by not picking him last year in the second or third.

Hammock Parties 11-08-2011 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093197)
I don't think Haley goes anywhere man.

I didn't say he would be fired, not in this thread anyway. You'd have a pretty hard time not firing him if we lose all of those games in the killer stretch, though. What argument would there be for keeping him? That he can beat bad football teams?

O.city 11-08-2011 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8093198)
That's really foolish.

This team does not have the depth to withstand injuries, which will invariably happen.

With a franchise QB and a difference maker at NT, you're right that 1-22 would be good enough to compete with most any team. But 23-53 is still, by and large, a horrible collection of players.

I wouldn't say 23-53 but we def don't have the depth. But I don't think many teams could withstand injuries to the caliber players we have had this year and still be a contender.

Look at the Steelers a few years ago.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-08-2011 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093207)
I wouldn't say 23-53 but we def don't have the depth. But I don't think many teams could withstand injuries to the caliber players we have had this year and still be a contender.

Look at the Steelers a few years ago.

The Packers lost Finley, who is better than Moeaki, their #1 RB, had injuries all over the back seven and still won the SB.*


*FWIW, I don't think that's (the Packers' 10-6 plan) something to strive for, as it would be nearly impossible to replace success like that, but they have shown that you can compete at a high level even when decimated by injuries if you have enough guys in key positions.

BossChief 11-08-2011 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8093198)
That's really foolish.

This team does not have the depth to withstand injuries, which will invariably happen.

With a franchise QB and a difference maker at NT, you're right that 1-22 would be good enough to compete with most any team. But 23-53 is still, by and large, a horrible collection of players.

another draft and free agency like the last two and that should no longer be a big problem.

We have the ammo to score with the best of them on offense (with a franchise quarterback) and a young, playmaking defense that can hold its own.

Is it just me or does my glass have a little more water in it than some of yours'?

O.city 11-08-2011 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8093211)
The Packers lost Finley, who is better than Moeaki, their #1 RB, had injuries all over the back seven and still won the SB.

They also had a qb play at a HOF level throughout the playoffs. But I do see what you are sayin. However, their #1 RB wasn't a large part of their offense and the guys they lost on the back side weren't a difference maker like Berry.


If Woodson or Mathews goes down, they likely don't win a SB last year.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-08-2011 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093213)
another draft and free agency like the last two and that should no longer be a big problem.

We have the ammo to score with the best of them on offense (with a franchise quarterback) and a young, playmaking defense that can hold its own.

Is it just me or does my glass have a little more water in it than some of yours'?

You are overrating our defense. That Raiders game made it look like much more of a playmaking D than what it really is, which is a bend-but-don't-break D with solid corners, a really good MLB, and one pass rusher.

A defense like that is going to get carved up by good offenses, and it has.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-08-2011 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093218)
They also had a qb play at a HOF level throughout the playoffs. But I do see what you are sayin. However, their #1 RB wasn't a large part of their offense and the guys they lost on the back side weren't a difference maker like Berry.


If Woodson or Mathews goes down, they likely don't win a SB last year.

They lost Woodson in the SB. He broke his collarbone.

BossChief 11-08-2011 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8093211)
The Packers lost Finley, who is better than Moeaki, their #1 RB, had injuries all over the back seven and still won the SB.*


*FWIW, I don't think that's (the Packers' 10-6 plan) something to strive for, as it would be nearly impossible to replace success like that, but they have shown that you can compete at a high level even when decimated by injuries if you have enough guys in key positions.

Franchise quarterbacks keep you in any game, no matter what.

They come in and give you the ability to score...even with subpar weapons around them.

A franchise quarterback with these weapons at his disposal and a playmaking defense could compete against any team in football.

Even over a season like this one where we lost some of our best players for the year.

O.city 11-08-2011 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093213)
another draft and free agency like the last two and that should no longer be a big problem.

We have the ammo to score with the best of them on offense (with a franchise quarterback) and a young, playmaking defense that can hold its own.

Is it just me or does my glass have a little more water in it than some of yours'?

Oh I feel the same way, I just question our ability to get a franchise qb. Honestly I don't know what I would do if we did get one.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-08-2011 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093225)
Franchise quarterbacks keep you in any game, no matter what.

They come in and give you the ability to score...even with subpar weapons around them.

A franchise quarterback with these weapons at his disposal and a playmaking defense could compete against any team in football.

Even over a season like this one where we lost some of our best players for the year.

You're preaching to the choir about that, but where is this defense in four years, which is essentially the soonest that we'd have a franchise QB who is ready to go?

Iconic 11-08-2011 08:15 PM

Has Haley ever beaten a competent team with a strong showing besides the Pitt game in 09?

Hammock Parties 11-08-2011 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093213)
another draft and free agency like the last two and that should no longer be a big problem.

Right now the last two drafts are not looking that special.


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