i like josh more than haley. he seems more hands on in the game, where as haley just stands there with his arms crossed looking for the player whos going to be the biggest tough guy to give more playing time to

I keep thinking this is another "Haley vs McDonald's" thread.

That's brilliant. Please post more.

i liek you a lot.

i used sarcasm too, am i a good troll?

Nope. The New England Patriots proved that an offense can do mediocre in the Superbowl, and still win with a game ending field goal, which they did twice. Remember the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' SB win against the Oakland Raiders? Their defense intercepted Rich Gannon 5 TIMES, with three of them being returned for touchdowns. Brad Johnson is not what led the Bucs to the Superbowl, it was their scorching hot defense that did.

A wise man once said that an offense wins seasonal games, but defenses win championships.

I hope you die horribly.

Why? Because I spoke an ounce of truth you disagreed with? By the way, eight of the last sixteen Superbowl MVP's have been non-QB's. What does that entail? It means that a QB can only be half as good as the rest of his offense, and still win a Superbowl title. Just over 50% of all the Superbowl MVP's have been quarterbacks, so a QB doesn't necessarily need to be a superstar to lead his team to the Superbowl.

One other thing worth noting is that out of the 6 Superbowls won by the Pittsburgh Steelers, the SB MVP had been awarded to a QB just twice (Terry Bradshaw). Plus, of the 7 Superbowls that the Dallas Cowboys have been to, only 2 of them ended in the QB getting the Superbowl MVP trophy.

In case you haven't noticed, that style of play just doesn't win SBs nowadays.

Not really. I would have been fine with McDaniels coming in this year as OC.

Assuming he is still with the Rams after this season, he can't come in as OC next year.

The next coaching hire is actually pretty difficult. A guy like Cowher would be great, but he will want his own staff and more control over personnel.

A guy like Fisher would be good, but he is burnt out and probably wouldn't stay with the 3-4.

I wonder if Crennel would stay on as a DC if the Chiefs replaced Haley without giving him the job.

I could see a guy like Mangini or McDaniels being hired as HC. Of those two, I like Mangini better as HC.

But, the reality is that Haley needs to go. No matter what happens with Cassel, Haley needs to go.

Haley is the one putting Palko back out on the field and talking about all the things that go into being a QB aside from throwing the ball and how Palko is excellent at all those things.

Haley is the one that started LJ over JC.

I actually like Haley's personality. But, I think he took over a team with Kurt Warner, Larry Fitzgerald and Boldin and that made him look better than he is.

This is the dumbest ****ing post anyone on this forum has ever made in regards to the QB debate.

For ****'s sake, just because Jerry Rice won the MVP in a Super Bowl doesn't mean Montana isn't a great QB. Santonio Holmes and Deion Branch won MVPs in Super Bowls with Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger. You want to tell me they aren't "superstar" QBs?

What about: John Elway, Brett Favre and Troy Aikman? They didn't win MVPs in Super Bowl wins.

****ing idiot.

Bradford has far less talent around him than Cassel has here or Orton had in Denver.

McDaniels is starting from scratch in St. Louis. Haley has been building this offense for three years.

Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin in KC versus..... Brandon LLoyd and Gibson.

Even McCluster would be the second best pass catcher there.

Yes, they have Steven Jackson, which is better than any back in KC.

But, the offensive line in KC is better, as hard as that is to believe.

I don't remember writing that. If you could, do me a favor and quote the post that I did that in and just bold that part for me.

Thanks.

Hate is a strong word for my feelings towards Cassel. I would like him replaced. I would like a franchise QB. But, to excuse Haley's shortcomings because of Cassel is foolish. Weis and McDaniels have proven that you can have a decent,if not great, offense with Cassel.

That isn't to say I want Cassel here or even McDaniels. (other than as OC) It is just to point out how inept Haley has been.

It isn't like Haley has no say in personnel. Cassel may not be his ideal QB, but, if he hate him as much as this board thinks....If he really felt like he couldn't have an offense that he wanted with Cassel..... Cassel wouldn't be here.

This year, Orton looked like the QB that he was in Chicago. ie: Orton looked like he did every other year that he wasn't being coached by McDaniels.

But, I am SURE, that this is all just coincidence.

No thanks.

I would rather have RGIII or Landry Jones.

I actually like Haley more as a HC, but he needs to hire a competent OC.

Muir isn't cutting it.

I don't know that Haley can work with a competent OC for an extended time period. Heck, by the end of the season last year, the rumors were swirling about him and Charlie Weis.