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RealSNR 01-14-2012 11:33 AM

If I were Pioli and didn't offer a trade up package to grab a QB, there wouldn't be many guys at 11 or 12 that really hit my clit.

Our first priority should be attempting to acquire RGIII or Luck

After that, one of those top two tackles would be great. Right now I don't see either of them making it out of the top 10, and trading up for them would just be ****ing stupid.

After that, the best value that I can see are those two corners. Claiborne and Kirkpatrick are mother****ers. Again, however, that means we'd likely have to go up and get them, and I'm really not cool with doing that. Also, it would probably mean Pioli would let Carr go, which would piss off the lot of us considering how much money we're sitting on.

So after those three unlikely scenarios for talent that the Chiefs could use, we're stuck looking at an inside backer in Kuechly, an elite guard, and elite center, or a slight reach at RT (Reiff). We could go Kuechly, but O.city claims we can get Hightower in the second. After that we're looking at interior line, because I've already made the case why they would fit better on this team than a RT in Round 1. So Kuechly or DeCastro/Konz it looks like. And both of these options have similar possibilities in the later rounds.

So... either way we're going to have to bite the bullet and spend the first rounder in a way that doesn't exactly maximize value. At least we're having this problem at pick #12, and not pick #3.

RealSNR 01-14-2012 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8293639)
If we were to trade down in the first and pick up a 3rd or something. I would be looking at something like...

1) Dontari Poe, NT
2) Chris Polk, RB - even though I'm not a fan of RB so early, it fits better to grab RB here
3A) Nate Potter, OT
3B) Kevin Zeitler, G
4) Michael Egnew, TE
5) Jerry Franklin, ILB
6) Kellen Moore, QB
7) Kelcie McCray, SS

That ain't bad at all. I haven't seen enough of Dontari Poe to really have an opinion on the guy. What do you like about him? I was violently opposed to drafting Phil Taylor last year because I didn't like him as a prospect. Is Poe similar in value?

jd1020 01-14-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8293641)
That ain't bad at all. I haven't seen enough of Dontari Poe to really have an opinion on the guy. What do you like about him? I was violently opposed to drafting Phil Taylor last year because I didn't like him as a prospect. Is Poe similar in value?

He's the biggest NT in the draft and no light weight NT has done well in a Crennel 3-4.

All Poe did was get double teamed and he still had 8 TFLs.

RealSNR 01-14-2012 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8293642)
He's the biggest NT in the draft and no light weight NT has done well in a Crennel 3-4.

All Poe did was get double teamed and he still had 8 TFLs.

As long as he can hold the point of attack pretty well. The only thing missing from this Chiefs defense (besides Berry) is a freakin nose tackle who won't get blown back 5 yards at the beginning of every snap. We never had it with Edwards, and Gregg has only been a very minimal to slight improvement in that department.

O.city 01-14-2012 12:22 PM

I'd be perfectly fine with Jds draft.

If we could trade back and pick up an extra second, which is stretching it but we got a 3 last year to back up in the 20's. I think going from 11 to say 21 could get us a 2.

We could then go.

1. Konz
2a. Hightower
2b. Reynolds
3. Fleener
4. Chris Polk/Vic Ballard which ever one is around.
5. Bpa
6. Bpa
7. Bpa

Even if you missed on 5 thru 7, the first four rounds are solid.

We could come out of this draft with a pro bowl C, solid RT, ILB that knows the scheme we run and is a monster in the middle, great TE, and solid RB to compliment Charles.

Extra Point 01-14-2012 12:52 PM

Upshaw. Bookended with Hali, that may be something. Then, again, the O-line needs help. Konz would be a good pick. Our first round D-line picks have been more than suspect over the years.

jd1020 01-14-2012 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Extra Point (Post 8293785)
Upshaw. Bookended with Hali, that may be something. Then, again, the O-line needs help. Konz would be a good pick. Our first round D-line picks have been more than suspect over the years.

Meh.

Dorsey was drafted to play 4-3 DT. He got 1 year.

Jackson was a wtf pick but if he continues to improve, in hindsight, he'll end up being a decent #3 pick just because of how bad that draft was.

RUSH 01-14-2012 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Extra Point (Post 8293785)
Upshaw. Bookended with Hali, that may be something. Then, again, the O-line needs help. Konz would be a good pick. Our first round D-line picks have been more than suspect over the years.

Did you miss the second half of the season? Houston was great.

There's no need to draft a pass rusher that early.

KCrockaholic 01-14-2012 11:34 PM

Riley Rieff it is. And I'd be ok with that pick if this is how it fell.

He's a solid RT prospect, and would fill a major need on our team.

Unfortunately this selection feels like a waste because all we're doing by drafting Rieff is helping keep our piece of shit QB standing on his feet. So it's not exactly a good thing when you think of it like that.

KCrockaholic 01-14-2012 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Extra Point (Post 8293785)
Upshaw. Bookended with Hali, that may be something. Then, again, the O-line needs help. Konz would be a good pick. Our first round D-line picks have been more than suspect over the years.

?What? Why would we do that to Houston? We have our bookend and he's damn good.

Direckshun 01-14-2012 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RUSH (Post 8295050)
Did you miss the second half of the season? Houston was great.

There's no need to draft a pass rusher that early.

Said the New York Giants.

Bewbies 01-15-2012 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8296842)
Said the New York Giants.

Exactly. Right now we essentially have 2. Another pass rusher makes more sense than a lot of what we see thrown around here..

KCrockaholic 01-15-2012 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 8297164)
Exactly. Right now we essentially have 2. Another pass rusher makes more sense than a lot of what we see thrown around here..

It's not worth spending a first on though. Building depth at the OLB would be great. You do that in the 3rd-7th round.

In the first we need to attack a position that is weak and fill it with somebody who can start from day 1.

And I'm a Courtney Upshaw fan. He's a terrific talent. But it would be a waste to spend a first on him.

Direckshun 01-15-2012 01:03 PM

I actually think Courtney Upshaw has the talent to play ILB in Belcher's position. Dude is a freight train when he hits the hole.

Then you can move him outside at will.

Gives the Chiefs lots of versatility. I don't think he's a Top 15 pick as of now but I have more time to look over prospects as draft season goes on.

NJChiefsFan 01-15-2012 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8296842)
Said the New York Giants.

While I do agree you can never have enough guys to get to the QB, having a lot of DE's is more important than a lot of pass-rushing OLB's when you consider how much more often the DE's are switched in and out.


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