If we make all the moves DJ posted, then we wouldn't have Cassel starting anymore....

No, Orton would be. And he's not really an upgrade.

Yes he is just for the simple fact that our D would get more rest. That alone is an upgrade.

I don't know if that could win a championship but if Manning isn't coming to us I would be ok with this. It is better than rolling out Cassel on day one.

Who's holding their breath here?

For the most part, it only seems to be the QB ideologues that are going to hold their breath and stamp their feet until the Chiefs just conjure a 'franchise QB' from whole !@#$ing cloth.

There isn't one available - there just isn't, not this season. Manning's not coming here, Flynn is just another Cassel, Tannehill is just not a smart pick given the talent available on the board. He may be good in 3 years, but in the next 3 years we can likely find someone just as talented (Tannehill is a 2nd rounder any other season).

Please God, quit repeating yourselves. We all know it's easier to win with a premier QB in this league but you can't just create one - you have to have one available to you. In lieu of same, find someone you can win with and surround them with the best team possible.

Eliminating the QB position, that team would be the best team in the AFC. What else can you ask for? Given the circumstances we find ourselves in, it's possible to construct a Super Bowl contender. I'd say that's a pretty exciting idea.

Or hell, just keep holding your breath and stomping your feet. I'm sure that will fix everything.

The rest of us will actually operate in the realm of reality.

I view Orton and Cassel in the same breathe. Orton has always struggled in the red zone. I don't think that Orton will come here since Pioli isn't going to cut Cassel. This will be Cassels last opportunity.

Don't forget we are going to sign Brady ****ing Quinn to take us to the ship.

Say it with me folks. Tank! :P

Its going to work out okay for Indy.

Is the end result going to be more playoff wins? Highly doubtful given his career thus far...

If that happens.....I'm going to get soooooooo much shit.

signing guys and making a splash should help sign Manning imo

you can always 'find' the cap room

I've already accepted reality.

This team isn't going to win a thing.

I agree with your entire plan all the way up to, but not including, signing Orton.

Orton and Cassel aren't that different. The BIG difference is that Orton is a free agent and it will cost MUCH more to sign him.

If we're going to get Solai and Winston and make all these moves, we're MUCH better off just keeping Cassel and working on the QB position later.

I don't know how anyone could watch the way Orton played last season vs. the way Cassel played last season and see them as the same caliber player.

Orton did basic quarterback things like look of DBs and slide his protection that Cassel never did. He kept plays alive and found his 3rd reads unlike Cassel. He kept drives moving; even the ones that stalled in the red zone (often with a Bowe drop, a Jones stumble or an O'Connell...well whatever the !@#$ O'Connell did); unlike Cassel.

The eye test couldn't have yielded more dissimilar results. He simply plays the position correctly. Sometimes he's too aggressive, but with a defense like the Chiefs will have next season, that's fine; aggressive can be good.

The end result is not more WINS, and that's the only thing that matters.

Orton beat the Packers

something Cassel will never be able to do.

That alone is enough for me.