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DJ's left nut 04-30-2012 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning (Post 8582882)
What Vegas thinks...

The Ravens and Cowboys are the only 2 halfway decent bets in the lot. The rest of them are just not good enough bets to justify putting money down this early.

The Broncos are a sucker bet from Vegas. Gotta love the sharks, man. They know how to make some easy money...

Bowser 04-30-2012 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 8582899)
I dunno, they've only gone two decades without winning a playoff game.... I think the media should respect them for at least another decade, until they've really, really proven they're no better than the Browns.

Keep doubting Donald Stephenson!

Ceej 04-30-2012 12:02 PM

The explanation makes sense.

But worse than Seattle and St. Louis??

I beg to diff.

Bowser 04-30-2012 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8582901)
The Ravens and Cowboys are the only 2 halfway decent bets in the lot. The rest of them are just not good enough bets to justify putting money down this early.

The Broncos are a sucker bet from Vegas. Gotta love the sharks, man. They know how to make some easy money...

No shit. I'd love to see the millions they make after the season on Bronco wagers.

DJ's left nut 04-30-2012 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 8582904)
The explanation makes sense.

But worse than Seattle and St. Louis??

I beg to diff.

Flynn and Bradford. Yeah - that's all it takes.

That's how little regard there is league-wide for Matt Cassel.

He's truly truly awful.

Direckshun 04-30-2012 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8582889)
They'd have gone 6-10 with Cassel as the starter all season, IMO. Cassel wins the Steelers game and loses both of the games that Orton won. The backup QB argument doesn't wash - they had a better QB for nearly 20% of the season than they're going to have next year.

Doesn't matter how talented the guy is in Orton's case, because Cassel's been taking the 1st string snaps since camp opened.

So while Cassel's not exactly the best QB in the league, he's had months of preparation as the #1 guy on the roster over everybody else. And almost 6 months of prep over Orton.

It's different if we're talking on paper, but we're not. We're talking about the heat of the season -- Orton came in with basically a couple weeks of training and we were still able to win with that.

Thanks, partially, to his great effort. Thanks, partially, to a relatively talented team.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8582889)
Then they punted the draft.

Where they finally finished our transition to the 3-4, and fortified our offensive line, and stacked the team with relatively solid depth, which people like yourself have been begging us to do for how long?

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8582889)
Given the fact that they're getting 3 good players back in some capacity (maybe 100%...until Moeaki gets hurt again), they should be better. And the Winston pickup will help a great deal.

They're still a 1 and done squad at their best.

I don't disagree.

The Chiefs still have work to go. Acquiring better talent, and developing the talent they have.

But let's call a spade a spade here. This is not a Bottom 10 team.

Bearcat 04-30-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8582868)
Haters gotta hate.

You cant be so blind in your hate to say this team would not compete for SB with a good QB.

A 7-9 team won a playoff game 2 years ago and Tim Tebow won a playoff game this past season... it's not like any team is that far off in such a mediocre league. Hell, the Chiefs almost won the AFCW and they were awful last year.... to the ship!

suds79 04-30-2012 12:07 PM

I think we'll be better then that but there are two issues that could kill us.

# 1 - The QB. Hard to do much when you have the 23rd or so best starting QB in the league.

# 2 - We just assume that Jamaal Charles will be his same ole self coming off that ACL.

It doesn't take a huge stretch of the imagination to see how this next season could go horribly wrong.

OnTheWarpath15 04-30-2012 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 8582898)
Clinically dumb.

But since you've provided zero reasoning to back this up, I'll just reiterate the point that it's clinically dumb.

Who should we be ahead of on that list?

Oakland? We're what, 2-4 against them under Pioli, without a win at Arrowhead?

Tampa? We'll find out this year, but give me Freeman, their draft and FA signings, and I'll take my chances in a tough division.

7 wins in 3 seasons - buoyed by a 10-win season against the easiest schedule in 10 years. (99 Rams)

No one in the national media is going to give them a second glance until they prove they can win on Sundays.

Direckshun 04-30-2012 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8582900)
Again, here's what people refuse to acknowledge when it comes to my opinions.

I'm not saying this team is devoid of talent.

I'm simply saying that we don't know exactly what we have.

The overwhelming majority of this board has already declared our young players and FA acquisitions as successes.

We haven't seen enough of these players to make that claim.

Add to that, two of our best players are coming back from an injury that typically sees a decline in performance - and thge QB situation, and I see a team with a metric ****ton of question marks.

I think DJ hit the nail on the head.

If everything goes perfect, this might be a 11-5 team.

But this team could just as easily win 4-6 games - and not necessarily because of injury - but because these kids with little-to-no experience don't end up being anywhere near as good as this fanbase (and organization) think they are.

The point that I'm taking issue with is that you see the 4-6 option as the most likely.

All due respect, I call bullshit.

I don't doubt the question marks, but I'm very comfortable with things ending up more positive than negative with the vast majority of them.

My biggest pessimist POV is on Charles' recovery. On most of the other risks, I'm cautiously optimistic.

evolve27 04-30-2012 12:07 PM

Realistic assessment finally.

Ceej 04-30-2012 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8582911)
Flynn and Bradford. Yeah - that's all it takes.

That's how little regard there is league-wide for Matt Cassel.

He's truly truly awful.

I certainly understand that's why.

But weren't most people considering Flynn - Cassel v. 2?

I just know KC is better top to bottom then both Seattle and StL.

Regardless, it's some dude's preseason power rankings. Just good for message board conversation.

Just Passin' By 04-30-2012 12:08 PM

Rams wins totals the past 5 seasons:

2
7
1
2
3

and he's got the Rams at #22. His rankings are a joke.

OnTheWarpath15 04-30-2012 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79 (Post 8582917)
I think we'll be better then that but there are two issues that could kill us.

# 1 - The QB. Hard to do much when you have the 23rd or so best starting QB in the league.

# 2 - We just assume that Jamaal Charles will be his same ole self coming off that ACL.

It doesn't take a huge stretch of the imagination to see how this next season could go horribly wrong.

Hater.

Bowser 04-30-2012 12:09 PM

"Bottom 10 team" is certainly debatable, but the one thing that is NOT debatable is that if this team wins, it will most certainly be in spite of the most important position on the team. And if they DO finish bottom 10, you can be assured that a larger reason for that will be beacuse of our quarterback.


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