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Sorter 10-29-2012 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 9062707)

I have a theory that the same thing is eventually going to happen with our Western concept of respect. At some point in the future, it will be an extinct idea to feel or hold "respect" for another human being.

FAX

That will be a sad day indeed.

loochy 10-29-2012 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 9062707)
They guard the tomb out of respect, Mr. KC Fish. There really isn't any more to it than that and they require no other reason.

But I fear that, as time goes on, the concept of respect becomes stranger and makes less sense to more people. In fact, I would venture to say that respect is something that few people truly understand anymore.

You know, the ancient Greeks had this extremely important concept called "sophrosyne". Unfortunately, that word can no longer be translated by any single English word.

This quality, "sophrosyne" was, to the Greeks, an ideal second to none in importance. But it is no longer counted among our ideals. We have simply lost the conception of it. We can sort of describe its parts (after a fashion), but we cannot name it or properly define it. It is a human quality that, once revered, no longer exists.

I have a theory that the same thing is eventually going to happen with our Western concept of respect. At some point in the future, it will be an extinct idea to feel or hold "respect" for another human being.

FAX

It's not the idea of respect, it's the idea that THAT is how respect manifests itself

Radar Chief 10-29-2012 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 9062710)
I served with a guy who had that assignment....it is nothing short of incredible.

I have an old friend that used to be a Tomb guard. He had a big part in my joining the Army when I did.
The way he describes it the attention to detail not just on their uniforms but in each and every movement they make while on guard is truly incredible.

ForeverChiefs58 10-29-2012 12:38 PM

Guarding the unknown tomb is such an amazing and honored tradition. Here is photos of The Old Guard as they watch over the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier during hurricane Irene:

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/u...97-620x415.jpg

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/u...08-620x409.jpg

For those that don't know, Soldiers of “The Old Guard” maintain a 24-hour vigil at the Tomb of the Unknowns (Tomb of the Unknown Soldier), provide military funeral escorts at Arlington National Cemetery and participate in parades at Fort Myer and Fort Lesley J. McNair.


“While on duty the Tomb Sentinel crosses a 63-foot rubber surfaced walkway in exactly 21 steps. He then faces the Tomb for 21 seconds, turns again, and pauses an additional 21 seconds before retracing his steps.

The 21 is symbolic of the highest salute according to dignitaries in military and state ceremonies.”

Awesome.

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.48982...69249&pid=15.1

Fish 10-29-2012 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 9062726)
It's not the idea of respect, it's the idea that THAT is how respect manifests itself

Yeah, I think this is where my confusion rests.

scho63 10-29-2012 12:43 PM

I ride through Arlington National Cemetery at least once every 3-4 months. It is a humbling experience

stevieray 10-29-2012 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief (Post 9062732)
I have an old friend that used to be a Tomb guard. He had a big part in my joining the Army when I did.
The way he describes it the attention to detail not just on their uniforms but in each and every movement they make while on guard is truly incredible.

:thumb:

I had the same experience....taps on the shoes, etc.

mikey23545 10-29-2012 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 9062406)
This is one military tradition that I've never really understood. I have all the respect in the world for our military force. But why make these poor guys stand motionless out there in bad weather? What point does that make? We all know these guys are dedicated and committed, and a helluva lot tougher than me. But this just seems completely unnecessary. What if a hurricane hits them out there? Should we really risk their lives just to make a point about how tough and committed they are?

Sorry, no disrespect to soldiers. I just can't understand how this is justified these days.

You've already voted early for Obama, right?

blaise 10-29-2012 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 9062749)
Yeah, I think this is where my confusion rests.

What do you want them to do, just put up a plaque that everyone will ignore?

FAX 10-29-2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 9062510)
Can I get some background info here? Who's the Unknown Soldier?

ROFL

Filed under questions even I wouldn't ask.

FAX

FAX 10-29-2012 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 9062750)
I ride through Arlington National Cemetery at least once every 3-4 months. It is a humbling experience

If you've lost someone dear to you in a war, the Tomb and the Cemetery are sometimes difficult to take. Tears come from nowhere. Uncontrollable emotion. Great sadness. Unspeakable gratitude.

It's a powerful place. I'm glad its there, but I have a very hard time going there.

FAX

Fish 10-29-2012 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blaise (Post 9062761)
What do you want them to do, just put up a plaque that everyone will ignore?

No. But I would expect some sort of service for these respected fellows in which the enjoyment of their work day didn't depend on the weather. One in which they wouldn't be expected to stand outside in potentially dangerous hurricane weather. I would have guessed that the most respected and revered of our servicemen would deserve better conditions than that for the recognition of their efforts and sacrifice for our country. But I don't know anything about it, which is why I asked..

FAX 10-29-2012 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 9062790)
No. But I would expect some sort of service for these respected fellows in which the enjoyment of their work day didn't depend on the weather. One in which they wouldn't be expected to stand outside in potentially dangerous hurricane weather. I would have guessed that the most respected and revered of our servicemen would deserve better conditions than that for the recognition of their efforts and sacrifice for our country. But I don't know anything about it, which is why I asked..

Sometimes it helps looking at it another way. Were they to leave the Tomb unattended, to those men it would feel like abandonment or desertion. They know that those remains could be anyone and they represent everyone.

To leave would be to dishonor their memory.

Therefore, no leaving.

FAX

stevieray 10-29-2012 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 9062790)
No. But I would expect some sort of service for these respected fellows in which the enjoyment of their work day didn't depend on the weather. One in which they wouldn't be expected to stand outside in potentially dangerous hurricane weather. I would have guessed that the most respected and revered of our servicemen would deserve better conditions than that for the recognition of their efforts and sacrifice for our country. But I don't know anything about it, which is why I asked..

revolutionary soldiers endured extremely harsh winter weather..adverse conditions do not override the call to duty...in fact, they demand it...

....the day we fail to remember those who have given their life for something bigger than themselves, is the day we lose our soul as a Nation.

JMO

Woodchuck 10-29-2012 01:09 PM

What if they just sat in their car or something? They would still be there for all technical purposes. ROFL

I'm just kidding. it's really cool what they do.


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