Allen is performing at a league-worst level.

Poe has held his own to some degree.

Pioli has had some good OL players brought in, I said as much last week.

Rest of the guys he has brought in are trash.

It's a huge part though. 1st quarter points wouldn't be a topic if we could score ANY outside of the final 3 minutes. I think sucks is too strong, but we've obvisouly degressed from last season....some by atrition and some by poor play. Still I think the potential for a solid D is there. Not great mind you, but solid. The interior, secondary, and Safety all could use some upgrades.

There are tons of successful playoff teams in the last five years that have done it with banged-up or just plain bad secondaries, as well as bad defenses.

They had quarterbacks that could carry them.

We don't. Obviously.

You guys are getting too hung up on positions that are of...secondary importance. Pun intended.

They could have Deion out there, it wouldn't matter this year. Cassel would find a way.

**** all this talk about Carr or whoever else. Get us a ****ing quarterback already.

Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, and we actually did as admirable job as we could against New England before the Tyler Palko gimmick was doomed to fail. I'm just pointing out that this defense is NOT the defense we saw last year, regardless of competition. DJ is a totally different player. Our defensive line is getting mauled at the point of attack. We're missing tackles left and right.

Hitting in the mouth works. Watch Seattle's defense. You have 11 guys playing through every whistle, outhustling the offense, and beating up offensive lines. That is the kind of defense we should be playing. Our defense gives up in the second quarter and nobody plays with any discipline because nobody is doing their job.

He's got more physical talent but Flowers is your more consistent player...

Where are these good OLmen he's brought in?

Allen has been a trainwreck, Asomoah has been serviceable, Lilja can't get the ball to the ****ing QB or block, and Winston has ****ing sucked balls. His man is usually the first to the QB.

Albert has been our best OL this season, by far, IMO.

And people wanted to run him the **** out of town...

Exactly. We saw how horrible Indy was without Peyton. Brady led Reche ****ing Caldwell and Chad Jackson to an AFC Championship game behind an average defense. Rodgers and Brees have won games with an average defense and a gazillion injuries to their offense.

This is a solid football team outside of the QB position.

I tend to agree, but it certainly would help.....see the 2011 Packers, 2010 Saints, and hell nearly all of the Patriot SB teams.

All the constant discussion about CBs is the most wasted bandwidth on this forum anymore. CBs are overrated. Find pass rushers.

There are teams that make it to the Super Bowl on an almost yearly basis with worse CBs than the Chiefs. Most people couldn't name the CBs on most recent championship teams, except for Charles Woodson, and even he missed half of the Super Bowl injured. This is becoming almost as arcane as saying you need a great RB to win. The teams that win rush the passer the best.

Our o-line looked elite behind Orton. Asamoah, Hudson, and Winston are three solid moves. And Jeff Allen is still a rookie playing mostly out of position.

Our o-line has rated mostly well. You can't blame an o-line for not playing nails behind a QB so bad that nobody guards anything past 10 yards. Nor can you blame them for blowing blocks when the QB is too dumb to check into a blitz pickup in his pre-snap reads.

A real QB makes this offensive line very good.

The discussion about CBs is just a point being used to make that Pioli hasn't brought in talent at a lot of positions.

Including pass rushers.

He has brought in one pass rusher. In four years.

And he let Babin and Gilberry go.

He's a monster.

RGIII is -- his supporting cast is terrible. It's not like Luck is surrounded by elite talent.

Amazing how both those offensive supporting casts went from awful to very good with a simple QB change.

I don't want solid. I want elite.

This team isn't good enough to win a SB, even with Brady.

Brady would be screaming his ****ing head off at Jon Baldwin and demanding better receivers.

Neither of those teams are winning anything this year.

RGIII and Luck will need help to win a SB. Guaranteed.

Not to derail the thread, but RGIII is getting a lot of credit but he's not delivering W's. I love the kid, but I think everyone is a bit over enamored with him.

Again....I LOVE the kid.