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-King- 02-22-2013 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9427346)
Clever and very original. You might earn a pat on the head for that.
You earn cyanide for that idea you had.

patteeu 02-22-2013 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by silver5liter (Post 9427330)
This is the stupidest idea I have heard.
I don't believe you.

patteeu 02-22-2013 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9427353)
You earn cyanide for that idea you had.
Why are you in this thread if you can't leave the QB situation aside for a minute? I bet there's a QB circle jerk in one or two of the other threads around here that would let you in.

FRCDFED 02-22-2013 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9427357)
Why are you in this thread if you can't leave the QB situation aside for a minute? I bet there's a QB circle jerk in one or two of the other threads around here that would let you in.
This.

Tribal Warfare 02-22-2013 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9427284)
you were essentially asking the prospect hype of Joeckel coming out as an LT

he is not the same kind of player as Roaf, Boselli, or Odgen or Orlando Pace

or even dare I say Jake Long

hes not even close to any of them. And probably wont be. Hes just going to be a good player from a weak class. Nothing more nothing less. But to ask if hes going to be a Hall of Fame LT. Id bet the favorite odds in NO. He would essentially have to play at a Pro Bowl and All Pro level from season 1 all the way til season 10+ beyond to come close, and that's very hard to do today. He would have a lot of current good LTs to leapfrog in a quick amount of time, and theres no way hes doing that.
just a slight interjection

O.city 02-22-2013 11:27 PM
To keep Albert on, you either have to pay him LT money, or franchise him. If you franchise him and draft Joeckel, thats a shitload of money you have at LG.


With the many other holes we need to fill, doing that financially doesn't make much sense.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-22-2013 11:31 PM
mmmmm....true fan tackle talk.....tastes like shitloaf! Lil Chiefy; is that you son?
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patteeu 02-22-2013 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9427363)
To keep Albert on, you either have to pay him LT money, or franchise him. If you franchise him and draft Joeckel, thats a shitload of money you have at LG.


With the many other holes we need to fill, doing that financially doesn't make much sense.
I would hope we wouldn't have to franchise him, but either way, we're way under the cap, are we not? I'm not sure why it wouldn't make sense since you'd still only be paying one player legit LT money.

silver5liter 02-22-2013 11:32 PM
WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU DRAFT A BACK UP LT WITH THE FIRST OVER ALL PICK. WHAT GOOD DOES THAT DO? HOW MUCH BETTER ARE WE WITH LUKE JOECKEL?

There, all in caps.

BossChief 02-22-2013 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9427328)
Why trade him? The Chiefs have a ton of money to spend. Sign Albert for LT money and draft Joeckel for cheap rookie money and play them wherever you want to. Eventually, if not initially, move Albert and let Joeckel take over at LT. A few years down the road, either force Albert to take a pay cut or release him because you've got someone cheaper ready to take his spot. If all goes according to plan, then it will be time to resign Joeckel to his LT 2nd contract.

FTR, I'm not advocating this, but it wouldn't bother me if something like this happened as long as QB was also addressed in some fashion. It would be infinitely better than intentionally letting Albert walk and replacing him with Joeckel.
Our offensive line is 100% SET at Left tackle (Albert only gave up one sack in 11 starts), right guard (Asamoah is a ****ing STUD)and right tackle (Winston is a top five right tackle)...one of the two other spots is owned by Rodney Hudson...an all american left guard at fsu that has center skills...that leaves ONE LINE POSITION that we don't have a very good, young player at.

Left guard or center...to me, I'd like to see them move Hudson back to left guard and for us to draft a good center to finish the OL, but in no way shape or form should that be with the top pick.

We have NOBODY at quarterback and the difference between Geno and what we could get in the second round is significant.

If we come out of our top two picks with Geno and Barrett Jones, ill be a happy camper.

FRCDFED 02-22-2013 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9427363)
To keep Albert on, you either have to pay him LT money, or franchise him. If you franchise him and draft Joeckel, thats a shitload of money you have at LG.


With the many other holes we need to fill, doing that financially doesn't make much sense.
Keeping Albert and drafting Joeckel hasn't crossed my mind. Even if we don't keep Albert and don't draft Joeckel then how difficult would it be to replace Albert?

O.city 02-22-2013 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9427370)
I would hope we wouldn't have to franchise him, but either way, we're way under the cap, are we not? I'm not sure why it wouldn't make sense since you'd still only be paying one player legit LT money.
He's not going to sign here to play LG, so you have to franchise him. IIRC, you have to designate what you are franchising position wise. If you do it at guard, he's not signing it and would likely sit out.


So he's gone after one year, then you're looking for a guard too.


Yeah, if you want to keep him at guard, you have to franchise him. Otherwise, he's just going to go somewhere else to play LT, which he should, cause he's shown to be a damn good LT in the NFL. He's never played guard in the NFL so .....

Sorter 02-22-2013 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by FRCDFED (Post 9427377)
Keeping Albert and drafting Joeckel hasn't crossed my mind. Even if we don't keep Albert and don't draft Joeckel then how difficult would it be to replace Albert?
Well, there happens to be a 3rd round pick on our roster who played pretty well in his appearances last year.

FRCDFED 02-22-2013 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9427374)
Our offensive line is 100% SET at Left tackle (Albert only gave up one sack in 11 starts), right guard (Asamoah is a ****ing STUD)and right tackle (Winston is a top five right tackle)...one of the two other spots is owned by Rodney Hudson...an all american left guard at fsu that has center skills...that leaves ONE LINE POSITION that we don't have a very good, young player at.

Left guard or center...to me, I'd like to see them move Hudson back to left guard and for us to draft a good center to finish the OL, but in no way shape or form should that be with the top pick.

We have NOBODY at quarterback and the difference between Geno and what we could get in the second round is significant.

If we come out of our top two picks with Geno and Barrett Jones, ill be a happy camper.
Using your scenerio we assume that we resign or franchise Albert. Then how high would Barrett Jones be drafted and is he the best C prospect?

-King- 02-22-2013 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 9427357)
Why are you in this thread if you can't leave the QB situation aside for a minute? I bet there's a QB circle jerk in one or two of the other threads around here that would let you in.
Please quote any post in this thread in which I have mentioned the QB situation.

Thanks.


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