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petegz28 08-21-2013 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 9903820)
People calling me a "Butler Lover". LMAO

I think some people are getting me confused with Deez just because of one post, but whatever.

I'm not denying that he's had a bad year. He's hit into way too many DPs, and hasn't driven the ball with as much authority in year's past. That being said, he's one of the only proven threats in our lineup, and that's why his walk numbers are sky high. I'm not gonna explain why Butler isn't the reason the season is over, because everyone has contributed to this team's failure, but like some have said, the problems Butler has given this team are much lower than several others.

Butler hitting a line drive or soft liner doesn't make much of a difference to me. I'll admit, I wasn't watching the game, but what I'd like to know is, why doesn't Gordon get any blame. He's been terribad for over two months. What about the complete lack of power Perez has? There should be far more blame to go around to some players that people continually praise.
I think we have addressed Gordon and how his defense helps make up for his lack of hitting. That being said, if Butler was at the plate with 2 outs I wouldn't blame him. A 2 out hit is not a favorable odds position. However, 1 out with bases loaded and you don't get it out of the infield and you're "the man"......weak sauce. That was the moment, that was the time, that was the place/

mr. tegu 08-21-2013 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9903832)
The Butler hatred just makes my head explode. He needs to hit for more power but if I read one more post about how a DH hurts the team because he can't run or field... just no.
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A lot of people don't realize the types of players that are DHing for other teams.

RockChalk 08-21-2013 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 9903820)
but what I'd like to know is, why doesn't Gordon get any blame. He's been terribad for over two months.
I think people are coming around to this. I'm not sure what it is.

But it could be that he's not a cleanup hitter. I may be wrong, but I feel like his whole AB approach has changed since being moved down there. He looks more and more like pre-2011 Gordon with his approach lately.

petegz28 08-21-2013 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9903832)
The Butler hatred just makes my head explode. He needs to hit for more power but if I read one more post about how a DH hurts the team because he can't run or field... just no.
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When you can't run or field then hitting had better be pretty ****ing good.

FringeNC 08-21-2013 10:31 AM
Amazing small-mindedness. It's a 162 game season. We're aren't going to the playoffs because of our .690 team OPS. Obviously, 2nd base has been a disaster, but so has SS.

Our GM is to blame.

By the way, it appears we got nothing for Greinke, and gave away a ton for Shields.

tk13 08-21-2013 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 9903844)
When you can't run or field then hitting had better be pretty ****ing good.
He won the Silver Slugger at his position just last year.
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petegz28 08-21-2013 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9903850)
He won the Silver Slugger at his position just last year.
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In a year that we were out of it by May. As it was stated earlier, Billy seems to do real good when the pressure is off. I won't take away from what he did last year as it deserves props but I have to view it in context as well.

RockChalk 08-21-2013 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 9903832)
The Butler hatred just makes my head explode. He needs to hit for more power but if I read one more post about how a DH hurts the team because he can't run or field... just no.
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You want to know why he hurts the team being purely a DH? Because we can't give other guys a mental/physical rest from the field, like most good teams do with the DH spot.

Butler can only be a DH, thus the spot is not available to any other player on our roster. I mean wouldn't it be nice to let Sal just bat one game, when he needs a break from behind the plate? Wouldn't it be good to let Moose DH a game when he's coming back from the nagging calf injury? I'm sure Gordon could use a break now and again from Left. Same with Hoz at first.

We can't do any of this stuff, unless you want to take Billy's bat out of the lineup. And unfortunately, we can't do anything like that with the current selection of players we have out there. Even though he's not driving the ball like last year (or like he should be), he still does get on base and at least have the possible threat of doing something with the bat.

BigRock 08-21-2013 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 9903576)
Chris Getz, at his direction or otherwise, puts down a bunt. YES! YES! A ****ING BUNT WITH 2 OUTS!
WHY THAT WOULD NEVER WORK

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/OA7HUvUXasg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/xkDYVF8e3ew" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

petegz28 08-21-2013 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 9903865)
WHY THAT WOULD NEVER WORK

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/OA7HUvUXasg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/xkDYVF8e3ew" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
I am at work so I can't see his.. I assume these are videos of a 2 out bunt working??

BigRock 08-21-2013 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 9903871)
I am at work so I can't see his.. I assume these are videos of a 2 out bunt working??
2 out bunts by Chris Getz working.

petegz28 08-21-2013 10:40 AM
So I guess people now thinking bunting with 2 outs and the go ahead run at 3rd is a good thing????? :facepalm:

BigRock 08-21-2013 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 9903873)
2 out bunts by Chris Getz working.
2 out bunts by Chris Getz with a runner on 3rd, I should clarify.

tk13 08-21-2013 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 9903862)
You want to know why he hurts the team being purely a DH? Because we can't give other guys a mental/physical rest from the field, like most good teams do with the DH spot.

Butler can only be a DH, thus the spot is not available to any other player on our roster. I mean wouldn't it be nice to let Sal just bat one game, when he needs a break from behind the plate? Wouldn't it be good to let Moose DH a game when he's coming back from the nagging calf injury? I'm sure Gordon could use a break now and again from Left. Same with Hoz at first.

We can't do any of this stuff, unless you want to take Billy's bat out of the lineup. And unfortunately, we can't do anything like that with the current selection of players we have out there. Even though he's not driving the ball like last year (or like he should be), he still does get on base and at least have the possible threat of doing something with the bat.
That's the DH position. Subpar fielders that can swing the bat. Ortiz, Edgar Martinez, Victor Martinez, Harold Baines, Jason Giambi...on and on.
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petegz28 08-21-2013 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 9903880)
2 out bunts by Chris Getz with a runner on 3rd, I should clarify.
Yeehaw....I stand by the opinion that it was beyond boneheaded


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