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Mav 09-04-2013 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 9937153)
I should've also stated that my view was based simply on the stats. If they make it to the AFC Championship game etc, then it's worth it. But, they won't.

I say they're 6-10 / 8-8 team.
oh, they aren't making the playoffs if alex smith has those kind of stats. You have to throw a shit ton of short passes to only get 3500 yards. and to complete that little of percentage.

No, no way. no how.

ct 09-04-2013 08:55 AM
with 3500 yds and 25/10 TD/INT, need about 65% completion, imo. 80 QBR would be great, but only 1 QB in the entire NFL (Peyton Manning) bettered that number last year, might be a bit unrealistic.

duncan_idaho 09-04-2013 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9936791)
3,500 yards - 25 TD - 10 INT - 80 QBR - 56% Completion - and all 16 games started w/no injury

Is that performance worth the two 2nd round picks KC paid?

Also... would those numbers merit a contract extension and he then gets to groom his eventual replacement?
It depends on a variety of factors.

1) How many yards and TDs did KC rush for? If the answer is "top 5 in NFL" the yardage and TD numbers look a little better.

2) What is his third-down conversion percentage?

3) How did he perform against elite defenses? Was he able to challenge them enough downfield to keep the O moving and productive?

4) How many PPG did the Chiefs' offense produce (and does it include a fluky-high number of return TDs?)

5) How did the team perform in the playoffs (if it made it)? Did Alex Smith make plays in clutch situations to beat elite teams and elite defenses when it mattered?

King_Chief_Fan 09-04-2013 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9937158)
oh, they aren't making the playoffs if alex smith has those kind of stats. You have to throw a shit ton of short passes to only get 3500 yards. and to complete that little of percentage.

No, no way. no how.
well, Super Bowl QB Trent Dilfer says Hi:

2000 regular season games
11 games played
cmp 134
att 226
cmp% 59.3
YDS 1502
avg 6.65
TD 12
INT 11

2000 Post season
4 games played
cmp 35
att 73
cmp% 47.9
YDS 590
avg 8.08
TD 3
INT 1

granted that Ravens had a champion D, special teams and running game
but still crappy QB can still win a SB if the other parts are there.

duncan_idaho 09-04-2013 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 9937233)
well, Super Bowl QB Trent Dilfer says Hi:

2000 regular season games
11 games played
cmp 134
att 226
cmp% 59.3
YDS 1502
avg 6.65
TD 12
INT 11

2000 Post season
4 games played
cmp 35
att 73
cmp% 47.9
YDS 590
avg 8.08
TD 3
INT 1

granted that Ravens had a champion D, special teams and running game
but still crappy QB can still win a SB if the other parts are there.
So if the Chiefs have a historically good defense - probably the second-best unit all-time - they have a shot? :thumb:

Sweet! Good thing they brought in a defensive-minded coach... wait a second...

King_Chief_Fan 09-04-2013 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9937247)
So if the Chiefs have a historically good defense - probably the second-best unit all-time - they have a shot? :thumb:

Sweet! Good thing they brought in a defensive-minded coach... wait a second...
you have to find hope where you can:D

Ace Gunner 09-04-2013 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ct (Post 9937207)
with 3500 yds and 25/10 TD/INT, need about 65% completion, imo. 80 QBR would be great, but only 1 QB in the entire NFL (Peyton Manning) bettered that number last year, might be a bit unrealistic.
he's posted 70's QBR the past few seasons -- the WCO is known to sweeten the QBR. Jamaal & Bowe are YAC guys and should actually excel in this scheme. Smiff never had this compliment of playmakers before. I think those are good reasons to expect a peak season from him. we shall see.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-04-2013 09:37 AM
Wins

the Talking Can 09-04-2013 09:41 AM
throwing for 3,500 yards doesn't mean anything anymore...it would put him 18th between Rivers and Fitzpatrick

but throwing for 3,500 yards with such a terrible completion percentage is 'almost' impossible...noticeable exceptions: Luck and Freeman (but both were over 4,000)

and i have no idea why we'd want smith tutoring anyone..."Hey, kid, when in doubt take a sack...and always look at the rush so that you can't make a play down field"

jerryforeverrice80 09-04-2013 09:54 AM
i remember when 3500 yards was a good season for QBs.

FlaChief58 09-04-2013 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9936791)
3,500 yards - 25 TD - 10 INT - 80 QBR - 56% Completion - and all 16 games started w/no injury

Is that performance worth the two 2nd round picks KC paid?

Also... would those numbers merit a contract extension and he then gets to groom his eventual replacement?
Giving up the second 2nd round pick means they would have gone at least 8-8, which is a damn good season following the 2-14 abortion of last year, so I'd say it's worth it. The numbers do not however warrant an extension.

Let him play next year and then decide whether or not to extend him.

Ming the Merciless 09-04-2013 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9936791)
3,500 yards - 25 TD - 10 INT - 80 QBR - 56% Completion - and all 16 games started w/no injury
Just the 25-10 alone would probably mean his QBR was higher than 80

So I would say yes

But really it depends on W-L

The thing is if we hurt ourselves for two years with 8-8 type seasons then it is just a waste of time

Tombstone RJ 09-04-2013 10:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 9936791)
3,500 yards - 25 TD - 10 INT - 80 QBR - 56% Completion - and all 16 games started w/no injury

Is that performance worth the two 2nd round picks KC paid?

Also... would those numbers merit a contract extension and he then gets to groom his eventual replacement?
Maybe but much depends on how the rest of the team plays too. If kc has a sick defense, like the #1 defense in the NFL, then these type of stats might actually mean a playoff spot. As for extending Smith, I doubt it.

keg in kc 09-04-2013 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 9937233)
granted that Ravens had a champion D, special teams and running game
but still crappy QB can still win a SB if the other parts are there.
So they'd have given up 2 seconds for a "crappy QB", to borrow your turn of phrase?

Jakemall 09-04-2013 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9937022)
I like the Alex Smith I saw the past two years.

I like the fact that Alex was very masterful at running the offense, the pre play adjustments, the giving the players a chance to make a play, the ability to be clutch when he needed to be, and not having to be THE GUY.

I have no idea how Andy Reid is going to use Alex Smith. Until I see that, I am skeptical.

Even you have to admit that Alex's strength is not pushing the ball down the field.

Until I see it done consistently, I even as big of a fan of Alex as I am, aint buying it. I will gladly eat crow when I see it. This doesn't mean im sucking anything. I am merely maintaining what I have said since I have been here.

Being realistic, makes me no less of an Alex Smith fan. I just have no problem admitting ive never seen him be asked to carry an offense, and be successful.
I have to disagree with you. Again, Alex can go deep...even with his weakend shoulder. At the end of the day, he just has to do it enough to keep the defenses honest. I still expect him to be a grind it out kind of player.

I guess you'll have to laugh at me because I believe Alex will hit that 3500-4000 range with a traditional QBR that looks something like what he had in 2011. Just to be clear that is 91+.


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