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DaneMcCloud 09-08-2013 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9955430)
Yeah, we have a shit ton of Defensive talent.

The Chiefs have been utilizing the wrong defensive scheme for years. I've said since the 2009 season that they should be an attacking one gap defense instead of Pendergast and Crennel's read and react two gap.

This defense has an enormous amount of athleticism and speed. It's nice to see Sutton devising a defense that takes full advantage of those athletes.

It's unlikely that they'll repeat today's performance of holding an offense scoreless but they should play well enough to keep the Chiefs competitive each week.

vailpass 09-08-2013 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9955436)
The Chiefs have been utilizing the wrong defensive scheme for years. I've said since the 2009 season that they should be an attacking one gap defense instead of Pendergast and Crennel's read and react two gap.

This defense has an enormous amount of athleticism and speed. It's nice to see Sutton devising a defense that takes full advantage of those athletes.

It's unlikely that they'll repeat today's performance of holding an offense scoreless but they should play well enough to keep the Chiefs competitive each week.

Yeah that D looked solid up front, should keep you in a lot of games.

mdchiefsfan 09-08-2013 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9955436)
The Chiefs have been utilizing the wrong defensive scheme for years. I've said since the 2009 season that they should be an attacking one gap defense instead of Pendergast and Crennel's read and react two gap.

This defense has an enormous amount of athleticism and speed. It's nice to see Sutton devising a defense that takes full advantage of those athletes.

It's unlikely that they'll repeat today's performance of holding an offense scoreless but they should play well enough to keep the Chiefs competitive each week.

The truly crazy thing is the lack of perspective from Pioli to recognize the players required for the scheme his coaches were executing. He drafted the wrong players for the wrong scheme: a true disaster.

beach tribe 09-09-2013 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9955436)
The Chiefs have been utilizing the wrong defensive scheme for years. I've said since the 2009 season that they should be an attacking one gap defense instead of Pendergast and Crennel's read and react two gap.

This defense has an enormous amount of athleticism and speed. It's nice to see Sutton devising a defense that takes full advantage of those athletes.

It's unlikely that they'll repeat today's performance of holding an offense scoreless but they should play well enough to keep the Chiefs competitive each week.

And with Smith being reliable yet unspectacular in not turning over the ball, damn near every game will be watchable, and dare I say...winnable.

(Please dont let this simple post turn this tread into a QB debate....maybe I should delete this post.)

beach tribe 09-09-2013 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9955436)
The Chiefs have been utilizing the wrong defensive scheme for years. I've said since the 2009 season that they should be an attacking one gap defense instead of Pendergast and Crennel's read and react two gap.

This defense has an enormous amount of athleticism and speed. It's nice to see Sutton devising a defense that takes full advantage of those athletes.

It's unlikely that they'll repeat today's performance of holding an offense scoreless but they should play well enough to keep the Chiefs competitive each week.

I would totally expect our D to still look like shit if were still 2 gapping.

chiefzilla1501 09-09-2013 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9955428)
Dude, we absolutely have the talent to be top 5 if we stay this aggressive.


I have been worried about Lewis all off-season, and after watching the game again right now, and focusing on his play, I think it was more mental for him before. He does not look nearly as slow as advertised here. I think his reaction time has been slow in the past. The less he has to think, and the more he learns the faster he plays.

Like I said, I think our talent is trending upward. But let's be real here, past a great performance against a horrible offense.

Our D-line is stout. But Jackson and DeVito aren't going to do anything for us in the pass rush. We need Catapano to come along to do that. On Kendrick Lewis, I'm not going to believe that one solid game against a horrible defense that can't pass to save their life has changed anything. Given how aggressive our defense is, he has potential to be a liability. And our CB depth is seriously terrible.

I think these things get fixed if we can get more consistent push from our DEs in the passing game, and once we address our horrible secondary depth. But to say we're top 5 because we dominated a horrible defense is jumping the gun way too soon. We have terrific talent, but we also have some gaps.

chiefzilla1501 09-09-2013 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9955450)
I would totally expect our D to still look like shit if were still 2 gapping.

A lot of what we do is 2 gap. It's one of the reasons why Reid's hire of Sutton is so brilliant. Our D-linemen do play a few 4-3 alignments, but the big difference isn't necessarily in 2 gap vs. 1 gap, it's moreso that our back 7 plays a lot different. Especially in terms of mixing up how we pressure.

DaneMcCloud 09-09-2013 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9955449)
And with Smith being reliable yet unspectacular in not turning over the ball, damn near every game will be watchable, and dare I say...winnable.

(Please dont let this simple post turn this tread into a QB debate....maybe I should delete this post.)

The defense is way ahead of the offense and special teams at this point. They SHOULD be way ahead due to the sheer number of high round talent and athletes.

The offense needs quite a bit of work. I expect there to be better holes on the inside once Asamoah returns. I hope that Jeff Allen improves but it certainly appears to me that Stephenson is a better player, so I don't understand why he isn't the left guard with Allen as the swing tackle. I have a feeling we'll see some experimenting if the interior doesn't improve soon.

beach tribe 09-09-2013 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9955451)
Like I said, I think our talent is trending upward. But let's be real here, past a great performance against a horrible offense.

Our D-line is stout. But Jackson and DeVito aren't going to do anything for us in the pass rush. We need Catapano to come along to do that. On Kendrick Lewis, I'm not going to believe that one solid game against a horrible defense that can't pass to save their life has changed anything. Given how aggressive our defense is, he has potential to be a liability. And our CB depth is seriously terrible.

I think these things get fixed if we can get more consistent push from our DEs in the passing game, and once we address our horrible secondary depth. But to say we're top 5 because we dominated a horrible defense is jumping the gun way too soon. We have terrific talent, but we also have some gaps.

Fair enough.

beach tribe 09-09-2013 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9955455)
The defense is way ahead of the offense and special teams at this point. They SHOULD be way ahead due to the sheer number of high round talent and athletes.

The offense needs quite a bit of work. I expect there to be better holes on the inside once Asamoah returns. I hope that Jeff Allen improves but it certainly appears to me that Stephenson is a better player, so I don't understand why he isn't the left guard with Allen as the swing tackle. I have a feeling we'll see some experimenting if the interior doesn't improve soon.

I wish they would give Allens spot to schwartz..
My true hope was a new C and Hudson moving to G, where I think he would do well, but dont have anything to back that up other than his play in college.

beach tribe 09-09-2013 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9955452)
A lot of what we do is 2 gap. It's one of the reasons why Reid's hire of Sutton is so brilliant. Our D-linemen do play a few 4-3 alignments, but the big difference isn't necessarily in 2 gap vs. 1 gap, it's moreso that our back 7 plays a lot different. Especially in terms of mixing up how we pressure.

Poe has obviously been turned loose. Of course we will play SOME 2 gap, but Crennel was running that shit 90+% of the time and it KILLED us.

DaneMcCloud 09-09-2013 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9955458)
I wish they would give Allens spot to schwartz..
My true hope was a new C and Hudson moving to G, where I think he would do well, but dont have anything to back that up other than his play in college.

Kush improved during the course of the preseason but I don't know if he'll be ready to start later this season. If so, Hudson at left guard makes some sense.

I'm not a fan of Schwartz, so I'd just as soon see Allen continue to get reps in the hope of improving. But as I mentioned earlier, from what I've seen, Stephenson shouldn't be on the bench.

mdchiefsfan 09-09-2013 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9955461)
Poe has obviously been turned loose. Of course we will play SOME 2 gap, but Crennel was running that shit 90+% of the time and it KILLED us.

Honestly, it could just be time to develop to NFL speed that is making Poe what he is. He was a diamond in the rough last year, but started to turn it on towards the end of the season. He then went on this diet and put forward max effort into becoming what we saw tonight. I really can't say that scheme is the complete reason why Poe is the way he is.

DaneMcCloud 09-09-2013 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan (Post 9955469)
Honestly, it could just be time to develop to NFL speed that is making Poe what he is. He was a diamond in the rough last year, but started to turn it on towards the end of the season. He then went on this diet and put forward max effort into becoming what we saw tonight. I really can't say that scheme is the complete reason why Poe is the way he is.

It's a big reason. The Chiefs scheme since Pioli was hired was crappy and antiquated.

chiefzilla1501 09-09-2013 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9955461)
Poe has obviously been turned loose. Of course we will play SOME 2 gap, but Crennel was running that shit 90+% of the time and it KILLED us.

Well, the beauty of the Ryan scheme is that he mixes up a lot of the looks. Big difference being that we'll run a lot more 4-3 and 46 looks than other defenses do, and we can do it with pretty much the same personnel. But the base defense relies a lot on 2-gap principles. Again, that's why hiring Sutton was pretty brilliant. I don't think it's a matter of Poe being let loose or the D-line playing a completely different scheme, as much as it is being a hell of a lot more creative in how we use the back 7. Romeo's defense was often solid when he turned up the heat, which he didn't do enough of for some weird reason.


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