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KCUnited 12-02-2014 09:00 AM

No he can't, fortunately Clark is in charge.

ptlyon 12-02-2014 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 11162081)
No he can't, fortunately Clark is in charge.

That's easy then. Just call Clark at about 8 pm when he is in his robe and slippers and is on his third scotch.

Bob Dole 12-02-2014 09:46 AM

Because constantly changing coaches is a recipe for success.

Gonzo 12-02-2014 10:04 AM

Jesus Christ I hate some of you morons.
Why the **** would we fire Reid or Dorsey in year ****ing two? We're still in the playoff hunt in December with very little talent to work with. Just shoot yourselves.

Gonzo 12-02-2014 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 11161854)
****ing reeruned. Again.

Name a team that has had success replacing the coaching staff or QB after 2-3 years.

Bob Dole is as pissed as anyone, but changing coaches/core players/ system I ****ing stupid.

****ing thank you.
I'm about to go all "Bob Dole" myself on some of these lunatics.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-02-2014 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 11161854)
****ing reeruned. Again.

Name a team that has had success replacing the coaching staff or QB after 2-3 years.

Bob Dole is as pissed as anyone, but changing coaches/core players/ system I ****ing stupid.

What are you getting at here? Isn't every successful team the result of changing out an ineffective coach for a good one (QB as well)?

San Francisco went from a horrendous team to a perennial contender by replacing Singletary with Harbaugh.
Denver went from shit to AFC champ by upgrading from McDaniel and Tebow to Fox and Manning
Seattle was garbage before Carroll and Russell Wilson.

BossChief 12-02-2014 10:42 AM

Why?

Apart from a few hiccups, this team has over performed.

Where would we be right now with a healthy Derrick Johnson and Eric Berry?

If we hadn't lost our only legit deep threat for a long stretch...

This team is about to get another infusion of talent from what should be a strong draft class and the team having another year under its belt on both sides of the ball.

I expect big things next year and I haven't given up on this year, either.

LoneWolf 12-02-2014 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11162191)
What are you getting at here? Isn't every successful team the result of changing out an ineffective coach for a good one (QB as well)?

San Francisco went from a horrendous team to a perennial contender by replacing Singletary with Harbaugh.
Denver went from shit to AFC champ by upgrading from McDaniel and Tebow to Fox and Manning
Seattle was garbage before Carroll and Russell Wilson.

Kansas City was 2-14 before Reid/Dorsey/Smith. What's your point?

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-02-2014 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 11162205)
Kansas City was 2-14 before Reid/Dorsey/Smith. What's your point?

That you can't say that firing underperforming coaches/QBs after a few years doesn't lead to better results.

The question that needs to be asked is whether or not Reid and co. are performing at a desirable level or not and what is the eventual ceiling for this team.

I'm not saying that firing them is the answer, but the squalor of mediocrity isn't a convincing argument for not doing it, either.

Chief Roundup 12-02-2014 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11162191)
What are you getting at here? Isn't every successful team the result of changing out an ineffective coach for a good one (QB as well)?

San Francisco went from a horrendous team to a perennial contender by replacing Singletary with Harbaugh.
Denver went from shit to AFC champ by upgrading from McDaniel and Tebow to Fox and Manning
Seattle was garbage before Carroll and Russell Wilson.

We went from Crennel and Cassel to Reid and Smith. That is a pretty good jump in talent as well.
Surely you aren't comparing Reid to Singletary and McDaniel. That would be ludicrous to put him in their shit category.

Gonzo 12-02-2014 10:55 AM

Reid is a top 5 coach. We need to give him 2 more years to really make some strides. We make a change before that and we might as well become the ****ing Raiders.

LoneWolf 12-02-2014 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11162213)
That you can't say that firing underperforming coaches/QBs after a few years doesn't lead to better results.

The question that needs to be asked is whether or not Reid and co. are performing at a desirable level or not and what is the eventual ceiling for this team.

I'm not saying that firing them is the answer, but the squalor of mediocrity isn't a convincing argument for not doing it, either.

Jumping from 2-14 to the playoffs in the first year and then being in the thick of the playoff hunt with a massive amount of injuries the second year is not what I would call the "squalor of mediocrity". Did you expect them to take the team that had the number one overall draft pick to the SuperBowl in year 1?

philfree 12-02-2014 10:56 AM

Considering what they started with this regime gets 3 years. Firing a HC who has coached a team to 5 straight NFC Champ games in year two of his contract doesn't seem smart to me. Especially after turning a 2 win team into a playoff team and a team that's still in the hunt going into December in year two.

TEX 12-02-2014 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 11162237)
Considering what they started with this regime gets 3 years. Firing a HC who has coached a team to 5 straight NFC Champ games in year two of his contract doesn't seem smart to me. Especially after turning a 2 win team into a playoff team and a team that's still in the hunt going into December in year two.

Exactly. The Chiefs where short handed coming into the season having not made any significant moves this off season. In fact, they created holes where there weren't any. True, the coaching has not been good sometimes, BUT that same coaching has enabled the Chiefs to get into playoff contention in spite of all the flaws...When the coaching is bad it's bad - when it's good, it's good. The Chiefs are a flawed team but still at 7-5, are exactly where I thought they would be at this point in the season and I'm sure they are better record -wise than most figured them to be.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-02-2014 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 11162234)
Jumping from 2-14 to the playoffs in the first year and then being in the thick of the playoff hunt with a massive amount of injuries the second year is not what I would call the "squalor of mediocrity". Did you expect them to take the team that had the number one overall draft pick to the SuperBowl in year 1?

The team that went 2-14 did not have the talent of a 2-14 team. Don't be a ****ing dumbass.

Dorsey is a perfectly average NFL GM, and average GMs can improve bad teams, especially bad teams with talent. Andy Reid is a good NFL coach, and good coaches can improve poorly coached teams.

I wouldn't expect anyone to turn the 2012 Chiefs into contenders overnight; that's not the expectation. The expectation is whether or not this regime can build a contender at all. Maybe they can. Given their personnel moves and Reid's gameday coaching, I'm extremely skeptical.


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