This isn't true either Dane. Right now we are in a public school that is level 10 so there is no reason to go private. I have 3 friends with kids in private schools that are not vaccinated. One is in Menlo Park, one in San Carlos and the other in either Woodside or Atherton, I forget.

Truth be know the very most educated and affluent are the ones not vaccinating. That well documented as I am sure you know.

I hope your kids are better at math than you are, or they're going to struggle in that school.

These two sentences prove that you are not one of the aforementioned "very most educated" people.

Educated doesn't equal scientifically literate.

Yea, that makes about as much sense charging a driver for manslaughter for not having insurance when a drunk and driver crosses the middle line and dies in the accident. Brilliant.

genetics phd student (done in less than a year) and undergrad in microbiology/biotech

and what should you know about measles?

VACCINATE YOUR ****ING KIDS

Don't you want your kids to get chicken pox while they're young?

I remember when our cousins got it our mom made us rub him so we'd get it as well.

It's either increased liability or remove them entirely from public schools.

The fact is, unvaccinated children in public schools increase risks for everyone else. That (to me) is unacceptable because that risk factor is forced upon my (fictional) children because of someone else's poor choice.

There needs to be a "cost" associated with unnecessarily increasing risk. Mandating liability even without a direct link to causality is how I would levy that cost.

The science on this is clear. It doesn't cause autism, that claim is beyond ludicrous but even if it DID, the percentages would still NEVER add up to a logical conclusion of not vaccinating.

Proper immunity isn't going to stave off deadly diseases in every living person.

And while it's tragic that 1,300 children were affected, there are more than 300 million people in the United States alone that were not affected. That's 0.00000450667% of Americans.

I'll stick with science.

You can thank our wonderful president and all the illegals he keeps letting in for all these greats illnesses and old time diseases that are suddenly rearing their ugly head!

There is shit coming into this country we haven't send or had in decades.

I'm sure Rickets and Polio are next!

I'll include an excerpt of a text I wrote regarding vaccination and the dreaded autism...

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As always, one should take anything one hears (especially on the internet) with a grain of salt. I will, on occasion, use government websites as a source—as long as I can verify the source material itself. I will not be quoting blogs. I will not be quoting personal opinion. Data. Beautiful, published data.

As such, I’ll be sourcing all of my material. The best material to quote is peer-reviewed, unbiased and hypothesis-driven research that has been published. Unfortunately, not all of you will have access to the papers I quote— they are found using pubmed (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/). I do not expect that this will assuage all of your fears, nor will it be comprehensive. As a graduate student, I don’t exactly have the time to find everyone’s pet theory and debunk/clarify the causal link.

In 1998, an English surgeon/researcher published (in the prestigious journal Lancet) a paper entitled “Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children.” In this paper, he claimed that autism and colitis were caused by the mercury component in Thermisol.

[ASIDE: For those of you without a basic knowledge in how a vaccine works, here is a link (http://www.niaid.nih.gov/topics/vacc...s/Default.aspx). Mercury is used as an adjuvant, or something that activates the immune system. Your bodies contain two ‘layers’ of immunity, innate immunity and acquired immunity (active immunity—cell-mediated immunity, by T-cells and humoral immunity, by B-cells). As an aside, those that are immunodeficient are not immunized because there is too large a risk of averse reaction to vaccines and it may make them sick.]

However, it’s worth noting that neither of his claims was substantiated. Great claims require great evidence. For over a decade, researchers from around the world attempted to replicate his results (he, himself, was unable to replicate his results). The original paper was retracted and the researcher, Andrew Wakefield, was found to have been paid by a law firm that was going to use his study to sue the manufacturers of vaccines (conflict of interest, anyone?) Most of his co-authors withdrew their names from the study in 2004, yet the damage had already been done. In England, the incidences of Measles, which had been eliminated previously by stringent vaccination, has made a rapid comeback (http://adc.bmj.com/content/98/10/752.long).

Others are concerned that throughout history, vaccines have been shown to harm children and use this logic as the determining factor for not vaccinating their children. There are several types of vaccines, vaccines that contain a killed virus and those that contain a live, attenuated virus. In the USA before 2000, the common form of polio vaccine was the attenuated version. In our bodies, this form would very rarely revert to the virulent form of polio and paralysis would occur, which obviously is not what you want to happen to your child (I certainly don’t). However, we no longer use this form in this country. This vaccine, for what it’s worth, can be taken by mouth, and has been deemed safe by a medical researchers throughout the world. This tells me that, in spite of being safe, we are doing our best in this country to ensure that your children will get the best care and will be statistically less likely to get side-effects of vaccines. Certainly, there are those that will have allergic reactions to a vaccine. That’s why you get vaccines at your doctor’s office and not from the internet. Your medical professionals are incredibly capable of handling medical emergencies from the sniffles to a toxic reaction to mercury (that is no longer in Thermisol). By the way—Re: the new version of the polio vaccine? NOBODY has gotten polio from the new vaccine.

When I was a child, we got the pertussis vaccine. Research tells me that there were a range of side-effects (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1748773/) from fever to fainting. After 1990, however, they switched to a new pertussis vaccine that has milder side-effects. It’s important (at least to me) to weigh the possible consequences of vaccines. Generally, the side-effects are 1/1000 kids will experience prolonged crying due to mild pain. 1/20,000 will get bowel blockage (http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs...84.2014.942223). 1/1000 children who contract measles will get encephalitis, and 3/2000 will die. 1/2000 who get whooping cough will die (this is especially deadly to children). These diseases are completely, utterly preventable.



http://www.path.org/vaccineresources...-Vaccinate.pdf

I had it and my kids had it. I used to think the vaccine for it was stupid but in reality, actually having chicken pox opens you to a bunch of nasty stuff later in life, like shingles. I watched my mom and grandpa go through shingles (my grandpa is still in bad pain from it after two years) and want no part of that.

I am SOOO tempted to change your username to CousinRubber right now.

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and yes, I find the middle fingers a bit apropos