Cool. More crying.

We just don't see enough of it around here...

You'd be giving up a 1st and probably a 2nd and a late rounder to move up that much for Cooper.

He's not THAT good.

Heh, exactly.

Seems a lot around here aren't happy unless they get to do it.

We're all aware of what the Chiefs do most years. It's like living in Alaska during the winter and bitching about the lack of daylight.

The teams who, historically speaking, draft best, don't draft for year 1. The Steelers never get shit from rookies.

Why people complain about drafting guys who will develop into our system makes no sense to me. You draft guys for 5-10 years, not 1.

That's because those teams usually have few holes and a lot of depth at multiple positions. That's why you usually never see those rookies do shit.

well hopefully one of those "impact" players fall to #18

I'm trying to whittle a list down to 10-12 from this:

QB Winston
RB Gurley
RB Gordon
WR Cooper
WR White
WR Parker
WR Strong
WR Agholor
WR Dorsett
OL Scherff
OL Peat
OL Collins
OL Humphries
OL Fisher
OL Grasu
OL Cann
OL Tomlinson
OL Marpet
ED Ray*
ED Gregory
ED Dupree
ED Fowler
ED Beasley
DT Williams
DT Shelton
DT Brown
LB Kendricks
CB Waynes
CB Johnson
CB Peters

Who you crossing off as "impact" player rookie year? I'm thinking Ray is one with the injury thing..

My best guess.

Knock off one of those WRs and add a DE/OLB and I think you're there, Pest.

Although that list isn't necessarily for our team. For our team you would have to probably remove both of the RBs, add a WR and probably another offensive lineman.

all this is bs talk. Not all players attain and match their hype going into the NFL, we all know this.

You guys actually believe this shit?

I would hate to draft in a manner that produces a team with few holes And a lot of depth at multiple positions.

My list has 30 players I think could at least have day 1 impacts on this team and I left off a few. That's the point. No way do I think there are only 10-12 guys that could come in and be "impact" players.

Now, if Dorsey were to think there will only be 10-12 impact players on the board at #18, then yeah I can agree with that.

You can't be serious. Either that or your definition of "impact" is far different than John Dorsey's or the normal person.

"Impact" doesn't mean "start" from game one nor does it mean contribute. Impact means that the player is special and elevates the rest of the team to a level unattainable without him on the field.