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Baby Lee 10-23-2015 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11827648)
Just stop it with this bullshit


you don't just let positions take care of themselves


we need to go out and get quality players at all positions

Leave l'il cubie alone!!

O.city 10-23-2015 02:27 PM

Why are the current wrs not quality players? Is it because they dont have catches and or statistics?

Or because they can't aren't getting open?

BigMeatballDave 10-23-2015 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11827624)
Dorsey has to nail the 2016 draft or else this team will be Oakland 2003-2014 bad.

As in they'll struggle to win 20 games over a five year span bad.

If you think the roster is that bad, then you must think Reid isn't doing such a bad job.

TEX 10-23-2015 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11827615)
We have way too much talent to be this bad.


Dorsey can stay, everyone else goes.


btw - Dorsey better stop ****ing around with the Oline.

True to a point, and you did mention the sub par O-line. Add to that a sub-par QB ant that intensifies many of the deficiencies. Just as a good OL / QB can hide many. So this roster might have a lot of talent places, but not in two very important one's, that Dorsey happened to play a role in acquiring - no? :shrug:

Mr. Laz 10-23-2015 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11827676)
Why are the current wrs not quality players? Is it because they dont have catches and or statistics?

Or because they can't aren't getting open?

If you don't know then you aren't watching.

Mr. Laz 10-23-2015 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 11827717)
True to a point, and you did mention the sub par O-line. Add to that a sub-par QB ant that intensifies many of the deficiencies. Just as a good OL / QB can hide many. So this roster might have a lot of talent places, but not in two very important one's, that Dorsey happened to play a role in acquiring - no? :shrug:

I assume that the QB's are Andy Reid, at least the top 2 are his.

He wanted and got Alex Smith, not Dorsey.

Daniel goes to Reid or Dorsey? Both?


Bray and Murray might be Dorsey's


Not sure which one has the attitude that Oline is just something you mix and match each year like middle relief in MLB. If that is Dorsey then he needs to stop that shit. You might not need pro bowlers but you need quality and continuity and we haven't had either.

chiefzilla1501 10-23-2015 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11827730)
I assume that the QB's are Andy Reid, at least the first 2 are his.

He wanted and got Alex Smith, not Dorsey.


Bray and Murray might be Dorsey's


Not sure which one has the attitude that Oline is just something you mix and match each year like middle relief in MLB. If that is Dorsey then he needs to stop that shit. You might not need pro bowlers but you need quality and continuity and we haven't had either.

Dorsey built the ol same way Schneider did in Seattle. It can work but you gotta hit on the picks.

I don't see a problem devaluing the ol for Alex Smith. If they want to build around a true QB, they will definitely need to beef up the ol.

Discuss Thrower 10-23-2015 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave (Post 11827692)
If you think the roster is that bad, then you must think Reid isn't doing such a bad job.

The Chiefs 2013 draft class busted outside of Kelce and Knile (.. and even then..)

The 2014 draft is a bust outisde of Gaines unless Murray steps on to the field and shows something.

Jury is still out on 2015 obviously, but if Peters is the only guy worth a shit out of that group then there's a serious depth problem with the team.

Go look at how the 2013/2014 Seahawks were built. Spoiler alert: it was hitting on at least half the picks in three straight draft classes.

Unless you have a franchise QB, Seattle demonstrated the model of building a complete team through the draft. KC will not compete for a Lombardi from this year to 2017. But if the '15, '16 and '17 draft classes pan out, then we could have a team that should be a wild card contender in 2017 and a conference final team in '18-'20.

chiefzilla1501 10-23-2015 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11827676)
Why are the current wrs not quality players? Is it because they dont have catches and or statistics?

Or because they can't aren't getting open?

It's amazing how much better a receiver Wilson has become when Maclin is out of the picture. Alex Smith has a true 1 receiver and an exceptional tight end receiver. He's our if excuses.

O.city 10-23-2015 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11827726)
If you don't know then you aren't watching.

I was rhetorically asking because it's not the latter

Mr. Laz 10-23-2015 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11827738)
Dorsey built the ol same way Schneider did in Seattle. It can work but you gotta hit on the picks.

I don't see a problem devaluing the ol for Alex Smith. If they want to build around a true QB, they will definitely need to beef up the ol.

That's exactly opposite of reality and hope to hell that's not Dorsey's belief.

A QB like Alex Smith must have an above average OL to be successful. A guy like Aaron Rodgers is good enough to elevate his OL. This shouldn't be about not giving a shit about Alex Smith's health, it's about being successful as a team. If Dorsey said '**** it' who cares if Alex Smith gets killed by a shitty OL then he is the wrong professional. That's how idiot fans think not a NFL GM.

Discuss Thrower 10-23-2015 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11827631)
Nail as in like what?

You like to paint the 2013 and 14 drafts as the worst drafts ever, right?

Kelce is the only guy out of those classes who would start on any of the other 31 teams in the league.

2013 wasn't totally Dorsey's fault (though trading two 2nd round picks was a bad move), but 2014 he botched pretty soundly by whiffing on Dee Ford and taking a worthless gadget player in Thomas.

Mr. Laz 10-23-2015 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11827754)
I was rhetorically asking because it's not the latter

Which is why i didn't bother answering so you can talk bullshit

O.city 10-23-2015 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11827758)
Kelce is the only guy out of those classes who would start on any of the other 31 teams in the league.

2013 wasn't totally Dorsey's fault (though trading two 2nd round picks was a bad move), but 2014 he botched pretty soundly by whiffing on Dee Ford and taking a worthless gadget player in Thomas.

We have no clue about ford yet because they won't put him on the field. Maybe that's enough evidence, but I'd imagine that one is undecided.

But kelce is the only one? Not likely. And because a 4th round pick is a gadget, it's a whiff?

I think you generally have a decent grip on things but the over exaggeration seems to be something you have a grasp on.

Fwiw, Gaines was playing pretty well as a 2nd year player at the Nickel spot as well.

So I th8nk you're overdoing it a bit here

O.city 10-23-2015 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 11827761)
Which is why it didn't bother answering so you can talk bullshit

So our wrs aren't getting open?


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