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oaklandhater 10-23-2015 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11827349)
100 percent of pressure allowed on a qb isn't on the offensive line. Seems that's not realized here

Check Chiefs facebook every one on there wants us to draft o-line with our 1st 3 picks.

Baby Lee 10-23-2015 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11827380)
Has no QB ever came back from Mental issues with the game Drew Brees is the only QB I can think of who has changed his mentality

Vinnie Testeverde was D E A D dead at QB in his early-mid 30s, came back late with a better siutation.

KC_Lee 10-23-2015 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11827359)
Looking at team game single positions 'in a vacuum' is what's bullshit, especially when you assume synergy for some positions and discount it entirely for others.

Truly, I realize that a lot of people see me as an Alex apologist. I'm not. I'm just trying to get people to apply their butthurt evenly.

****, we're a 1/2 step away from blaming moldy hot dogs in the concession stands over vendor despondence over QB performance.

I understand, QB is THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION IN CIVILIZATION!!!WTFBBQ!!SMURFANAL!!!

It's still a team game.

You're right, and the D did their job in MN; kept AP in check and only allowed MN to score 16 points. It wasn't a stellar performance but it was a solid performance on the road in the NFL.

The O, led by Smith, failed to capitalize on the D's effort. So one part of the team did their job and the other did not. Put an average QB in place of Smith KC wins a close one. But with Smith we get the same old same old, a milquetoast effort from a QB that more afraid of losing the game than taking the bull by the horns and winning the game.

Smith is so scared of making a mistake that his play lacks any type of fire. When the leader of the O is scared the rest of the unit reflects that. The opposing D sees this and adjusts. This is why we find ourselves where were are now as KC fans. Pieces of what could be a good to great team held back by the lack of a quality QB. Same old, same old.

kcfanXIII 10-23-2015 12:38 PM

Yes, an offense that moves the ball rather than going 3 and out for an entire half, makes the defense better. I'm not sure how the Alex Apologists don't see it. I also don't believe this Oline is nearly as bad as they make it out to be either. I'm not saying they are great by any means, but Andy Dalton seems to be able to make plays with pressure in his face, as well as the top tier qbs in the league. Smith doesn't look down field, ever. Smith doesn't have the arm strength a pro qb needs. And his game management, his best trait, has been piss poor this season. He needs to go.

oaklandhater 10-23-2015 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11827387)
Berry has been great this year. He looks fine.

DJ and hali, yes, they're done.

Reid picked Alex so in the end I'm guessing he sinks for that choice. But i don't think the play calling has been near the issue as the qb has been

Last time I checked PFF had berry rated the top safety in the NFL he has a real good chance at winning comeback player of the year.

I personally think it should go to Dalton.

Baby Lee 10-23-2015 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 11827382)
I can't speak for everyone, but for me a 1st round QB isn't about 2 more wins in 2015 or 2016. 1st round QB is an investment in long-term success (2017-2025, if we are lucky). The big argument for me is that top talent QBs are so rare that you have to take them when you have an opportunity. If you don't have a top talent QB, you need dedicate resources each year into finding one because without one you are going nowhere. 1st round QB is the first step of many to becoming a contender.

I'm totally on board with investing in a QB. Totally not on board with 'just do it, and if it fails do it again. Suck 'til superstar. It's the only thing we haven't tried'

Discuss Thrower 10-23-2015 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11827397)
Totally not on board with 'just do it, and if it fails do it again. Suck 'til superstar. It's the only thing we haven't tried'

Because that is *so* different than what the Chiefs have been doing for the last forty ****ing years.

O.city 10-23-2015 12:40 PM

That's another tired mantra though.

You don't have to have a superstar at qb in today's league. It's not the force multiplier it once was.

But you've gotta have competent play at minimum there. Right now, we dont.

oaklandhater 10-23-2015 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11827402)
That's another tired mantra though.

You don't have to have a superstar at qb in today's league. It's not the force multiplier it once was.

But you've gotta have competent play at minimum there. Right now, we dont.

We haven't had a competent passing game since Weis and Cassel

RealSNR 10-23-2015 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11827383)
Our shitty offense on par with the 6-0 Broncos. As is the 2-5 49ers.

Like I said, swap defensive coordinators with Denver, and we're at least beating the ****ing Bears and Vikings, and possibly even the Donks.

That shouldn't excuse the need to get a new QB. Or lose out for one, since the season is ****ing dead. Does no good whatsoever to start a rally behind Alex Smith at this point.

Coogs 10-23-2015 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 11827390)
Check Chiefs facebook every one on there wants us to draft o-line with our 1st 3 picks.

I recall Kyle Orton making our offensive line look pretty good when he took over. That same offensive line that Cassel made look pretty bad. I would prefer Murray, but would be satisfied to see Daniel get a shot behind this O-line to see if there is a difference in the performance level of the line.

Discuss Thrower 10-23-2015 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 11827410)
I recall Kyle Orton making our offensive line look pretty good when he took over. That same offensive line that Cassel made look pretty bad. I would prefer Murray, but would be satisfied to see Daniel get a shot behind this O-line to see if there is a difference in the performance level of the line.

The 2011 49ers offensive line wasn't bad, yet Smith was sacked 44 times.

RealSNR 10-23-2015 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11827422)
The 2011 49ers offensive line wasn't bad, yet Smith was sacked 44 times.

That wasn't a very mentally tough offensive line /Baby Lee

oaklandhater 10-23-2015 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11827391)
Vinnie Testeverde was D E A D dead at QB in his early-mid 30s, came back late with a better siutation.

98 jets ?

The Franchise 10-23-2015 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 11827408)
Like I said, swap defensive coordinators with Denver, and we're at least beating the ****ing Bears and Vikings, and possibly even the Donks.

That shouldn't excuse the need to get a new QB. Or lose out for one, since the season is ****ing dead. Does no good whatsoever to start a rally behind Alex Smith at this point.

I'd be interested to see how many times Von Miller gets dropped back into coverage versus Houston.


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