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Ming the Merciless 08-22-2017 03:16 PM
what an imbecile

saphojunkie 08-22-2017 03:18 PM
If the head of my union said that publicly they'd be gone by lunch.

JakeF 08-22-2017 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13030483)
It's anchoring.

The problem Winston faces is that he doesn't have an infinitely long timeline to work with here. His constituency is comprised of people who have Bentley payments to make and 4th and 5th houses to pay for as well as extremely short careers in which to make the money that allows them to do it.

Worse still, for the guys on the fringes, a single year out of work now doubles the pool of new labor (effectively 2 years worth of draftees) and thus greatly increases the odds of them just being out on the street, $500K poorer and with no long-term NFL prospects now.

So for the super rich that are spending like sailors on shore leave, they'll want that money to cover exorbitant expenses because they live like idiots. For the young guys on rookie deals who are looking at 3-5 year careers, they can't afford to lose 20% of their career and earning potential in a Pyrrhic victory.

There isn't an easy 'negotiation tactic' for Winston here because he doesn't really have a hammer. At least not one that's easily wielded. So he has to throw some haymakers in the hopes they land. Sooner or later his own constituency will lack the political will to allow him to follow through on any long-term leverage.

I damn sure don't envy him.
Can't disagree with what you've said but that is still about the players, not the owners. The players need to get their act together instead of waging war against their employer.

DaneMcCloud 08-22-2017 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13030524)
Can't disagree with what you've said but that is still about the players, not the owners. The players need to get their act together instead of waging war against their employer.
That's stupid. The only leverage the players have is to strike against the owners.

NFL ratings were down big time last year. The current CBA expires after the 2021 season and if the ratings continue to decline, the players will have even more leverage against the owners because the TV networks won't shell out a shit ton of money for replacement players or a missed season.

DJ's left nut 08-22-2017 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 13030524)
Can't disagree with what you've said but that is still about the players, not the owners. The players need to get their act together instead of waging war against their employer.
Define 'get their act together'.

Line up in harmony and sit out a season? Again - if that happens, there's hundreds more draftees looking to make the league and thus hundreds of those same people will never touch a football field again. That one season they sat out could've easily been a season they'd have been in the league and that's another 500K they'd have made.

The owners have the players by the shorthairs here. These careers are just sooo short that it's virtually impossible to expect the players to play hardball.

So if they have to pick a designated asshole who's on the way out of the league anyway and who is willing to go be the guy that takes arrows for them - so be it.

But man, just exactly what the hell do you expect them to do? They get killed in these negotiations and something's gotta give or it'll just keep happening. Perhaps a significant change in tact isn't the worst idea.

DaneMcCloud 08-22-2017 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13030548)
But man, just exactly what the hell do you expect them to do? They get killed in these negotiations and something's gotta give or it'll just keep happening.
Step 1: Fire DeMaurice Smith
Step 2: Hire a nasty shark
Step 3: Threaten a strike
Step 4: Publicly state that the quality of NFL games will decrease significantly if the Player's go on strike or are replaced.
Step 5: Watch as the TV networks scramble, become scared and put clauses into their new deals IF a strike or lockout occurs.


The result: The owners suddenly are more open to negotiations that give a little back to the players.

FloridaMan88 08-22-2017 03:47 PM
The fact that Eric Winston... a.k.a. a mental midget is NFLPA President shows how weak of a union it is and how they will never be able to sustain an organized work stoppage.

And yes I know that he (unfortunately) went to Miami.

BigCatDaddy 08-22-2017 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 13030495)
A majority of fans were lining up to support the players, and this ****stick shits all over their good will.
They were? After watching them drag politics into the sport **** those guys.

oldman 08-22-2017 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 13030521)
If the head of my union said that publicly they'd be gone by lunch.
Yep. While I hear what the players are saying, a union leader doesn't come out and say he doesn't care if their employer isn't in business in 20 years. That's like telling the folks at Claycomo or Fairfax he doesn't care if Ford or GM is around. That doesn't instill a lot of confidence in those that would join the union next year or 5 years down the road. Maybe he's just been hit in the head too many times.

OnTheWarpath15 08-22-2017 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 13030411)
So they should be sympathetic to the hardships of the billionaire owners?


I think there's plenty of blame to go around, but if the cuase of a 2021 strike is the players being disgusted with the completely arbitrary and unfair "justice" system in the NFL, I wouldn't blame them one bit.

Herr Kommissar can do whatever Herr Kommissar wants, and the only appeal is to Herr Kommissar. Who could POSSIBLY object to that system?!? :shake:
Exactly.

Winston's not wrong here. He just didn't necessarily make his point as well as he could have.

OnTheWarpath15 08-22-2017 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13030485)
Certainly a nuanced, well-reasoned response.
LMAO

DJ's left nut 08-22-2017 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 13030588)
They were? After watching them drag politics into the sport **** those guys.
"Them" = what, 10% of the guys that put on a uniform? If that?

C'mon, folks. Blasting away at the players when they have unquestionably the shittiest labor deal in all of professional sports isn't a great look.

JakeF 08-22-2017 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13030548)
Define 'get their act together'.
Fire their current leadership and hire a guy like David Stern to run things. Tell idiots like Winston to shut up or move on. The NFLPA has plenty of leverage if they would just start using it intelligently. The 1st time Stern wins something big for the players they will jump on board and give him the support to really change things.

PAChiefsGuy 08-22-2017 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13030454)
In fairness, the NFLPA has had it broken off in them repeatedly. They play the most demanding and most damaging of the professional sports. They have the shortest careers and feel it the longest after they're done.

If I could be similarly successful at any of the 5 major sports (including soccer), I'd take all of them over football and wouldn't think twice about it.

As a reward, they get no guaranteed money. Worse still, in a league where, what, 1 in 3 players see real money after their rookie deals are over, the rookie scale has turned to shit on them as well.

Meanwhile, the NFL is making more money than every other major sport.

If I'm an NFL player, I'm absolutely looking for some serious changes and if that means finding an asshole like Winston to head your PA - so be it. The soft-shoes approach hasn't done shit for them.

I'm amazed at how much NFL owners have managed to bend over the NFLPA in comparison to every other professional athlete.
It is a complicated situation because of the amount of players on an NFL roster compared to the other sports and because of all the injuries that happen in football.

Overall, all things considered, I think NFL players deserve more money. It's the most popular sport in America and generates the most money yet the players are vastly underpaid compared to other sports. Something isn't right here.

Rasputin 08-22-2017 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13030607)
"Them" = what, 10% of the guys that put on a uniform? If that?

C'mon, folks. Blasting away at the players when they have unquestionably the shittiest labor deal in all of professional sports isn't a great look.
That's still probably 80%-90% better than labor deals across America for the working class. My guess.


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