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saphojunkie 02-16-2018 10:20 PM

Here's a solution - you are allowed to pay walk-ons, but you can only have three.

duncan_idaho 02-16-2018 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13420902)
Nah. KU doesn't need to pay players. Mississippi State needs to pay players. Alabama needs to pay players. But it is always possible the shoe company paid players, without KU's direct knowledge. I can't really fault the school if that happens. That is between the player and the shoe company. Shoe company's fault.


That's a nice fantasy. Thamel's sources tell him this involves elite programs paying to get players and stay at the top.

If Duke and UNC and Kentucky are paying to get players, so is ku.

All these guys get paid. I actually don't have a problem with it. Just don't pretend ku is above the fray.

You don't get ***** or Top 100 players unless you're kicking something to the families.

jaa1025 02-16-2018 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 13421610)
I love the blue-collar, hard workin' white man mentality. Deny people the right to fair compensation, and if they have a problem with it, go work in another country!

I would love to see one of you F350 driving assholes get told that to your face. No pay for you. Go work in Slovakia for a year, and come back then.

It's not about the fair compensation, it's about how they are denied the right to work that exists in virtually every other non-vice related profession.

Racist.

Pasta Little Brioni 02-16-2018 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13421612)
That's a nice fantasy. Thamel's sources tell him this involves elite programs paying to get players and stay at the top.

If Duke and UNC and Kentucky are paying to get players, so is ku.

All these guys get paid. I actually don't have a problem with it. Just don't pretend ku is above the fray.

You don't get ***** or Top 100 players unless you're kicking something to the families.

:clap: Exactly

Bearcat 02-16-2018 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 13420596)
Just like all the Kansas fans dreading every refresh.

What am I dreading?

They probably cheat like other schools, that's not news.

Am I supposed to dread "vacated" wins? I watched them, and I can assure you they'll still exist. :shrug:

Pasta Little Brioni 02-16-2018 10:57 PM

It's like the steroid era. Everyone does it. They just pick and choose who gets busted. It's bullshit.

LoneWolf 02-17-2018 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 13421610)
I love the blue-collar, hard workin' white man mentality. Deny people the right to fair compensation, and if they have a problem with it, go work in another country!

I would love to see one of you F350 driving assholes get told that to your face. No pay for you. Go work in Slovakia for a year, and come back then.

It's not about the fair compensation, it's about how they are denied the right to work that exists in virtually every other non-vice related profession.

This is such ****ing bullshit. The vast majority of players are fairly compensated. What percentage of NCAA college athletes are ever going to make it in the NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL? Full ride scholarship athletes are given a scholarship that covers tuition, room and board, and some meals. That scholarship is worth tens of thousands of dollars a year. If they take advantage of this scholarship and get a degree in something different useful, it can provide for them and their familiy for the rest of their lives.

007 02-17-2018 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 13419848)
Paying the players is a stupid idea. They get a scholarship that is worth tens of thousands of dollars per year and the opportunity to get a free education. If that isn’t enough compensation and the player isn’t interested in an education, they are free to go overseas and play basketball until they are eligible for the NBA draft.

If they do start paying the players like they are employees of the university, that’s fine as long as they treat them like employees in every way. The players earn a salary and then they pay taxes on that earned income. They pay for their room and board, their meals, and their insurance premiums. Their tuition and books are still free, but they pay taxes on the value like a regular salaried employee would a bonus.

Plus they get fired after 4 years.

duncan_idaho 02-17-2018 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 13421744)
This is such ****ing bullshit. The vast majority of players are fairly compensated. What percentage of NCAA college athletes are ever going to make it in the NFL, NBA, MLB, or NHL? Full ride scholarship athletes are given a scholarship that covers tuition, room and board, and some meals. That scholarship is worth tens of thousands of dollars a year. If they take advantage of this scholarship and get a degree in something different useful, it can provide for them and their familiy for the rest of their lives.


Only two of the sports you mentioned give full scholarships (football and basketball).

And yes, those players do receive a tremendous range of benefits. They also generate BILLIONS of dollars in revenue for their athletic departments and the NCAA while going to school and working a full-time job (and a manual labor type job, at that. How many people could work a full-time construction or roofing job and carry a full class load and thrive?)

The system makes it illegal for them to have part time jobs (which is necessary, otherwise you'd have the Roger Morningstars and Bill Lauries of the world setting guys up with "jobs" that pay six figures for "summer work."). Many of the players comes from abject poverty... this leaves them without cash in their pocket to buy a pizza or take someone on a date to a movie or buy a pair of shoes. That's why under-the-table cash is so prevalent and sought out.

The additional stipends schools pay out now definitely are a step in the right direction... they reduce the dependency on booster cash. If those went a tad bit further, even better.

It's also worth noting that many of the players are pushed through degree mill programs so their eligibility will be maintained, education and future prospects be damned.

They do receive tremendous benefits. But there are also still some cracks to examine.

College football and basketball players at power 5 programs subsidize a lot of people (the entire NCAA office, coaches making millions, every athletic program that isn't football or men's basketball, every program outside a major conference, etc.) They deserve a little bit more of the pie they're baking.

ChiTown 02-17-2018 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13421612)
That's a nice fantasy. Thamel's sources tell him this involves elite programs paying to get players and stay at the top.

If Duke and UNC and Kentucky are paying to get players, so is ku.

All these guys get paid. I actually don't have a problem with it. Just don't pretend ku is above the fray.

You don't get ***** or Top 100 players unless you're kicking something to the families.

:clap:

Eleazar 02-17-2018 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 13421610)
I love the blue-collar, hard workin' white man mentality. Deny people the right to fair compensation, and if they have a problem with it, go work in another country!

I would love to see one of you F350 driving assholes get told that to your face. No pay for you. Go work in Slovakia for a year, and come back then.

It's not about the fair compensation, it's about how they are denied the right to work that exists in virtually every other non-vice related profession.

What's a full ride, all expenses paid, at a power basketball school worth?

ChiTown 02-17-2018 10:10 AM

I wish K-State went back to paying players like we did with Martin/Huggins. If Weber is paying his players right now, he’s getting robbed. Well, maybe he sent Dean Wade’s parents some dairy cattle, but that’s about it....

Pasta Little Brioni 02-17-2018 10:20 AM

College hoops is easy. Open up the pocket book and you instantly turn the program around.

threebag 02-17-2018 10:30 AM

Good thing the Shockers are clean

LoneWolf 02-17-2018 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13421807)
Only two of the sports you mentioned give full scholarships (football and basketball).

And yes, those players do receive a tremendous range of benefits. They also generate BILLIONS of dollars in revenue for their athletic departments and the NCAA while going to school and working a full-time job (and a manual labor type job, at that. How many people could work a full-time construction or roofing job and carry a full class load and thrive?)

The system makes it illegal for them to have part time jobs (which is necessary, otherwise you'd have the Roger Morningstars and Bill Lauries of the world setting guys up with "jobs" that pay six figures for "summer work."). Many of the players comes from abject poverty... this leaves them without cash in their pocket to buy a pizza or take someone on a date to a movie or buy a pair of shoes. That's why under-the-table cash is so prevalent and sought out.

The additional stipends schools pay out now definitely are a step in the right direction... they reduce the dependency on booster cash. If those went a tad bit further, even better.

It's also worth noting that many of the players are pushed through degree mill programs so their eligibility will be maintained, education and future prospects be damned.

They do receive tremendous benefits. But there are also still some cracks to examine.

College football and basketball players at power 5 programs subsidize a lot of people (the entire NCAA office, coaches making millions, every athletic program that isn't football or men's basketball, every program outside a major conference, etc.) They deserve a little bit more of the pie they're baking.

Full-time job my ass. There isn’t a Division 1 athlete in the country who is “working” on their sport 10-12 hours per day like most construction workers and roofers in your dumb ass analogy.

The degree mill argument is dumb ass well. If the athlete isn’t smart enough or willing to work hard enough to advance towards a legitimate degree, they have options besides playing college athletics. Life isn’t fair and it isn’t easy. If you want something bad enough, you’ll put in the work to achieve it.


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