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KChiefs1 11-05-2018 09:50 PM
Brees would be better than giving it to Gurley over Mahomes.

Gotta hope for a couple of bad games for Brees.

KChiefs1 11-05-2018 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13871273)
I dunno there is this huge push to give it to Brees cause people feel bad he's never won one.

That’s what will win it for him.

KChiefs1 11-05-2018 10:13 PM
David Carr
https://youtu.be/YBztXSSqVTo

Bump 11-05-2018 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13871197)
Bullshit to penalize someone because of the assets at their disposal.

People act like Nathan Peterman would be leading this offense to a #1 seed too. It's absolutely ridiculous. Mahomes is making everyone around him better, just like he did in college. The only difference is some of the guys around him were already great.
seriously, we are +1 Sammy Watkins when you compare this year to last year.

Mahomes is MVP right now, he completely elevated this offense to a level that only he could have elevated it to.

Rasputin 11-05-2018 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 13872722)
seriously, we are +1 Sammy Watkins when you compare this year to last year.

Mahomes is MVP right now, he completely elevated this offense to a level that only he could have elevated it to.
Watkins didn't even contribute more than 1 or 2 catches a game first five games..

Basileus777 11-06-2018 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 13871631)
Last week people were saying Gurly was the MVP over Mahomes.

Hunt is gaining on him- 16 total TD's to Hunt's 13 Total Td's

So the L A Lambs lose and now it is Brees over Mahomes-lol

Brees is having a fine year, but Mahomes is redefining the QB position.
It's settled in that Gurley has no chance at Tomlinson's TD record and he's no longer on an undefeated team, so his chances are pretty much shot.



Brees is getting too much love right now because he's coming off a huge win on national TV and if you don't look at the Saints future schedule it looks like they could be a the top seed in the NFC. But the Saints will drop a few games and the narrative will change.

chiefzilla1501 11-06-2018 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 13871722)
Nah, **** all that. I'll argue that Aaron Rodgers' 2010 postseason continuing into his 2011 regular season was the best stretch any QB's played in NFL history. Brees' season was great but he was only even mentioned because of volume stats. He put up 5,400 yards to Rodgers' 4,600 but it took him 150 more attempts to do so. Rodgers literally averaged a full yard more per attempt. They both threw for 45 TDs but Rodgers only threw 6 INTs to Brees' 14.

Rodgers' 2011 legitimately shits on Brees'.

2009 is a better argument. Brees was statistically better than Peyton but Manning took that team to 14-0 before he sat out and they finally lost a game.

Even if you contend that Brees should have won, it's hardly a snub. That was also the year that CJ2k went over 2,000 and Brett Favre went off as well.
I wasn't saying there was a snub. I'm saying he's had plenty of seasons where he had every right to be an MVP. He's lost plenty of MVPs in a virtual toss-up. There's the 2 years I mentioned. There's 2006 and 2010 losing to Brady (repeat MVP winners have incredibly high bars to climb to win. Otherwise Lebron & MJ would have far more MVPs). Arguably Tomlinson in 2006.

It's ridiculous Brees doesn't have an MVP by now. And I think years of not giving him the nod will bite us. I'm biased and would pick Mahomes, but it's really hard for anyone to make a credible argument for why Brees is any less qualified.

Basileus777 11-06-2018 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 13872823)
I wasn't saying there was a snub. I'm saying he's had plenty of seasons where he had every right to be an MVP. He's lost plenty of MVPs in a virtual toss-up. There's the 2 years I mentioned. There's 2006 and 2010 losing to Brady (repeat MVP winners have incredibly high bars to climb to win. Otherwise Lebron & MJ would have far more MVPs). Arguably Tomlinson in 2006.
There's zero argument for Brees over Tomlinson in 2006. 31 TDs and 2300 yards from scrimmage on the best team in the league, it's arguably the best season a RB has ever had. Brees had a fine year, but Tomlinson's was far more impressive and historic.

chiefzilla1501 11-06-2018 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 13872829)
There's zero argument for Brees over Tomlinson in 2006. 31 TDs and 2300 yards from scrimmage on the best team in the league, it's arguably the best season a RB has ever had.
In an era loaded with tons of RBs gaining around 2000 all purpose yards. Even LJ was way above 2000 that year. And we all know that RBs need to be really outstanding to beat a QB.

Meanwhile Brees turned around a 3-13 team, led them to their first playoff in a gajillion years (with an average supporting cast), and he led the league with 4400 passing yards (which is pretty much equivalent to 5000+ yards passing today).

Again, I'm not saying he was snubbed. But Brees was most definitely a viable MVP candidate in 2006.

Basileus777 11-06-2018 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 13872830)
In an era loaded with tons of RBs gaining around 2000 all purpose yards. Even LJ was way above 2000 that year. And we all know that RBs need to be really outstanding to beat a QB.

Meanwhile Brees turned around a 3-13 team, led them to their first playoff in a gajillion years (with an average supporting cast), and he led the league with 4400 passing yards (which is pretty much equivalent to 5000+ yards passing today).

Again, I'm not saying he was snubbed. But Brees was most definitely a viable MVP candidate in 2006.
A viable candidate in another year perhaps, but not against a historic season that still no one has come close to replicating. QBs throw for a lot of yards every year, it's just not in the same realm as what Tomlinson did, especially on a team markedly worse.


Brees has had an amazing career, he's just never had a single year where he was the best player in the league.

TwistedChief 11-06-2018 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 13871508)
Whenever I think of Drew Brees, I think of this commercial more than anything on the football field, and this commercial is horrific. I had never heard of "hot yoga" at the time, so I thought his hot yoga line was an incredibly awkward flirting thing.

I couldn't vote for Brees for MVP solely because of this commercial. You just don't do that kind of thing.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/VBV3nFT0488" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>
That's odd. I felt this commercial only enhanced Derek Carr's MVP odds yet his career has seemingly fallen off a cliff since it was released.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8R17ja7nEs

thegame214 11-06-2018 04:23 AM
Mahomes gets num 1 seed he's MVP locked.

Brees still has panthers twice, the reg season record will come into play unless Mahomes hits 50 TDs, then it's a lock.

Brady won with 30 something lol

HemiEd 11-06-2018 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13871233)
Brees is going to get this award because of sentimentally, it's ****ing stupid and lame.
We have seen this show before. The QB swan song. Elway had it and so did Peyton Manning. Thankfully, Eli is sucking so bad we won't have too deal with that one.

chiefzilla1501 11-06-2018 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 13872831)
A viable candidate in another year perhaps, but not against a historic season that still no one has come close to replicating. QBs throw for a lot of yards every year, it's just not in the same realm as what Tomlinson did, especially on a team markedly worse.


Brees has had an amazing career, he's just never had a single year where he was the best player in the league.
LT was definitely the frontrunner. But just so we're clear, Tomlinsons rushing/receiving records have been beaten several times. The title belongs to Chris Johnson, who does not have an mvp. His td record hasnt been matched, but Alexander beat the TD record the year before and priest the year before that. Hindsight is 20/20... Lt was an obvious choice at the time, but knowing what we know now about RBs in that era, it's more of a toss up than you think. 4400 yards with a mediocre supporting cast in that time was an elite season.

Sannyasi 11-06-2018 08:07 AM
I think if either:
-Mahomes breaks one of the big counting records, yards or touchdowns, or
-the Chiefs finish 15-1, becoming the "story" of the NFL regular season

then Mahomes wins the MVP. I understand the sentimentality argument but excitement for something new can be just as big of an emotion. People are going to happily vote for Mahomes if he can give them some big reason to do it. Either of those scenarios gets him the award.


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