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TEX 02-01-2022 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by milkshock (Post 16124240)
no, but if we had a guy who had run for 1400 yards in a season like we had with Hunt, the D would be taking it more seriously and may not so readily jump to drop 8.

This RBBC intimidates no one.


Very good point. Also could use one that can take it to the house on any given play. And he must be able to pass protect as well as catch. Is that too much to ask for?

TEX 02-01-2022 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16124286)
That last redzone drive was horrendous. I’m not sure why you’re even running RPOs at that point. Line the **** up and just run the ball.

Yep. 3 times, maybe 4, if you have to. Had they done that, IMO they win. It's that simple.

The Franchise 02-01-2022 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16124290)
Very good point. Also could use one that can take it to the house on any given play. And he must be able to pass protect as well as catch. Is that too much to ask for?

How many teams in the NFL have that guy? Because it’s not 32 of them.

milkshock 02-01-2022 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16124290)
Very good point. Also could use one that can take it to the house on any given play. And he must be able to pass protect as well as catch. Is that too much to ask for?

I would say not.

Can you imagine them routinely dropping 8 against Hunt who may have had yet another 1000 yard season for us? Not a ****ing chance.

Thats got nothing to do with Andy refusing to run - thats to do with having a RB who intimidates and scares D's

CEH, McKinnon? - I dont think they scare anyone

FloridaMan88 02-01-2022 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by milkshock (Post 16124275)
to a point, but with Mahomes you want to pass it.

And with a Hunt type fully firing, the D wouldnt gamble with dropping 8, I think. Even if he wasnt getting that many carries in the game.

Name recognition alone would scare them out of it.

Maybe, but name recognition or not, the Bengals were perfectly willing to still drop 8 in coverage vs the Chiefs, despite the fact they were giving up nearly 6 yards per rushing attempt in the game, regardless of who was running the ball.

TEX 02-01-2022 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16124294)
How many teams in the NFL have that guy? Because it’s not 32 of them.

We don't even need the 1400 part. Hell, half the league has a guy that rushed for 900 yards or more. One of those would be nice. Just anything but a JAG.

milkshock 02-01-2022 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16124306)
Maybe, but name recognition or not, the Bengals were perfectly willing to still drop 8 in coverage vs the Chiefs, despite the fact they were giving up nearly 6 yards per rushing attempt in the game, regardless of who was running the ball.

regardless of which one othe JAGS we had back there running it, yeah.

Why do you want to be in a position to 'gamble' on the run on 3rd and 5 anyway - which is what you'd be doing to a degree. you have the best weapons in the game in Hill and Kelce.

A respected RB would 'normalise' the situation. And let us play to our very obvious strengths.

milkshock 02-01-2022 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 16124311)
We don't even need the 1400 part. Hell, half the league has a guy that rushed for 900 yards or more. One of those would be nice. Just anything but a JAG.

Mahomes MVP season came with Hunt (mostly) taking the pressure off him as the d didnt go light box.

FloridaMan88 02-01-2022 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by milkshock (Post 16124316)
regardles of which one othe JAGS we had back there running it, yeah.

Why do you want to be in a position to 'gamble' on the run anyway - which is what youd be doing to a degree. you have the best weapons in the game in Hill and Kelce.

A respected RB would 'normalise' the situation.

Cincy's defense was also gambling... correctly... on the fact that Andy was not going to run the ball, regardless of how effectively the Chiefs were running it.

Chiefs averaged 5.8 yards per rush in the game... the team with the highest rushing yards per carry average for the season was Cleveland with 5.1, the Chiefs were almost a full yard ahead of that in the game.

Getting a Kareem Hunt (2018 version) type RB in this offense is still no guarantee that Andy will actually run him consistently.

milkshock 02-01-2022 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16124335)
Cincy's defense was also gambling... correctly... on the fact that Andy was not going to run the ball, regardless of how effectively the Chiefs were running it.

Chiefs averaged 5.8 yards per rush in the game... the team with the highest rushing yards per carry average for the season was Cleveland with 5.1, the Chiefs were almost a full yard ahead of that in the game.

Getting a Kareem Hunt (2018 version) type RB in this offense is still no guarantee that Andy will actually run him consistently.

Kareem was on pace for 1200 before he was cut

Teams respected - no, teams feared this man. And Mahomes benefited massively.

I suspect Reid looks at the collection of RBs we have now and has the same respect for them that opposing teams do - none whatsoever.

The outcome is the ridiculous 8 deep situation we saw on Sunday.

In terms of running the ball, are you expecting run on 1st, 2nd and 3rd downs? It looks easy on paper but as soon as 3rd and 5 hits you are in a risky situation if you arent going to throw there.

Gary Cooper 02-01-2022 12:39 PM

Why wasn't McKinnon getting more touches earlier in the season? Seems to be some poor talent evaluation there. Makes you wonder what other bench warmers are better than their playing time.

The Franchise 02-01-2022 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by milkshock (Post 16124344)
Kareem was on pace for 1200 before he was cut

Teams respected - no, teams feared this man. And Mahomes benefited massively.

I suspect Reid looks at the collection of RBs we have now and has the same respect for them that opposing teams do - none whatsoever.

The outcome is the ridiculous 8 deep sitiuation we saw on Sunday.

He signed off on those RBs…so he can look in the mirror on that one.

Wallcrawler 02-01-2022 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16124348)
He signed off on those RBs…so he can look in the mirror on that one.

Well, it is in Reid's repertoire of canned answers. After looking in the mirror, taking full responsibility, then comes the better job part.

New, badass ballcarrier acquisition incoming.

DRM08 02-01-2022 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JudasRising20 (Post 16124346)
Why wasn't McKinnon getting more touches earlier in the season? Seems to be some poor talent evaluation there. Makes you wonder what other bench warmers are better than their playing time.

Andy might have been saving McKinnon for the playoffs. He does have a pretty rough history of injuries. I just wish they gave McKinnon more touches in the 2nd half.

Chiefshrink 02-01-2022 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 16125593)
I just wish they gave McKinnon more touches in the 2nd half.

No doubt !! But Andy has to win "his way" and that will usually cost you a few games when you do not put your ego aside and adjust to what your opposition is doing to you successfully.


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