Blaming Toub seems like the time someone wanted to fire the "tackling" coach

Yes, well these are probably the same dullards that think we should be passing on every snap, regardless of situation or down-and-distance, because "potential points per play," or whatever metrics nonsense the likes of Frank Reich and Brandon Staley have been ****ing themselves with for several seasons.

And in spite of the fact that historical precedent shows quite clearly that an effective run game is necessary to success on an actual football field in the NFL.

But why let actual facts get in the way of a wild theory?

How many games would we have lost if it weren't for a return? Field position still matters.

Absolutely.

Field position decides games.

The league needs to tell refs to only call holding or blocks in the back when it is directly relevant to the play.

Seeing a return TD wiped away by a holding call either 20 yards away or behind is disgusting.

Does it really matter if our chances to score a TD increase tremendously if Mahomes gets the ball on the 35 yard line or the 25 yard line?

I believe you have to look at the situation. How much time is left, are we behind, etc. But the bottom line is we probably wouldn't be having this discussion if it weren't for Moore's muffed return attempt.

Yep. In that situation, at that point in the game, there wasn’t a reason to field that. Let it bounce. Just cannot give the other team the ball at the 4.

If by best, you mean drawing a flag on every return, sure.

That ST performance against the Colts was an abomination.

I don't give a flying shit what you've supposedly done over your career. Toub in recent history has been a flag collecting, dumb decision-making shitshow.

On top of that he appears to have zero common sense whatsoever in telling these returners to take the ball out of the endzone 5 yards deep. Yes, let's make Patrick start from the 12 this drive boys. He can handle it.

That's not how you gain respect abd it's certainly not top 10 st unit coaching. Christ we got Shady Mccoy junior out there returning a kickoff, slips, falls, and fumbles the football with nobody within 10 yards.

Let's be aggressive with guys who can't even handle the complexity of CATCHING the punt to start with.

Now let's run a fake fg where even if it had been caught, it doesn't count, because your unit can't execute without drawing the flag.

Yes. Spectacular coaching from Dave Toub. They lookedlike a bunch of reeruns trying to **** a doorknob.

That game was Toub's worst game EVER.

By a large, large margin.

Let me see if I can find the article.

There's a jon bois YouTube that I'm too lazy to look up where he looks into that data and it's basically around the 25 give or take a few yards. And I think it's also that having a good return doesn't really increase your chances of scoring a TD all that much but I think his video was about getting rid of kicking all together

Should we get rid of running the ball? Too many fumbles!

Yeah, pretty much.

Speaking of this issue. I have no idea why Toub even had anyone back there fielding the punt when Chiefs were up 41-24 with 7:58 left in the 4th quarter. The risk reward of a return vs a fumble or muffed point is not worth the expected yards in this situation. They only beat you at this point by you turning it over.