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JPH83 10-24-2022 09:26 AM

Said it at the beginning of the season and I haven't changed my opinion. McKinnon is our best RB, but you just can't flog him to death.

RaidersOftheCellar 10-24-2022 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16550574)
Are you talking about the 2 holds that opened up a huge running lane? If not for that? Come on...

I'm not sure that would have made a difference on that play, but ok....5.4 yds/carry and an excellent return.

jd1020 10-24-2022 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16550691)
I'm not sure that would have made a difference on that play, but ok....5.4 yds/carry and an excellent return.

You are talking about the run that got called back when Thuney literally clothes lined a guy that was in the backfield and probably would have tackled him for a loss, right? How would that not have made a difference?

RaidersOftheCellar 10-24-2022 09:41 AM

As for the getting into a rhythm thing...

This board creamed its collective shorts over Derrick Henry for years. What's Henry without a bunch of carries to get into a rhythm and wear the defense down? Probably a 3 ypc back. Especially without good holes.

RaidersOftheCellar 10-24-2022 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16550697)
You are talking about the run that got called back when Thuney literally clothes lined a guy that was in the backfield and probably would have tackled him for a loss, right? How would that not have made a difference?

It may or may not have. He doesn't go down as easily as the other backs.

Doesn't take away the fact that he juked a couple defenders after that.

DJ's left nut 10-24-2022 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16550701)
As for the getting into a rhythm thing...

This board creamed its collective shorts over Derrick Henry for years. What's Henry without a bunch of carries to get into a rhythm and wear the defense down? Probably a 3 ypc back. Especially without good holes.

Well seeing as how the most prolific quarter of his career is the 2nd quarter (2K+ yards at 5.6 yards/carry), this seems like maybe not a very good argument.

jd1020 10-24-2022 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16550706)
It may or may not have. He doesn't go down as easily as the other backs.

Then why does he have less yards after contact per attempt than CEH?

RaidersOftheCellar 10-24-2022 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16550717)
Then why does he have less yards after contact per attempt than CEH?

Sample size I guess.

Do you really think that CEH is harder to bring down? Or more evasive for that matter?

Marcellus 10-24-2022 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16550479)
As a whole they've been dead-ass average while playing against light boxes. Worse still, that average performance has come via 2 very strong games and 4-5 wholly forgettable ones.

We just need more reliability and consistency out of them if this is what we're going to do.

I don think yesterday's run game was as bad as everyone is making it out to be.

Rushing Car Yds Avg TD Lng
Isiah Pacheco 8 43 5.4 0 17
Clyde Edwards-Helaire 6 32 5.3 1 16
Mecole Hardman 2 28 14.0 2 25
Jerick McKinnon 2 12 6.0 0 9

RaidersOftheCellar 10-24-2022 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16550708)
Well seeing as how the most prolific quarter of his career is the 2nd quarter (2K+ yards at 5.6 yards/carry), this seems like maybe not a very good argument.

That’s surprising to me, yet he probably averages more carries in the first quarter than Pacheco has had in a full game to date.

jd1020 10-24-2022 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16550723)
Sample size I guess.

Do you really think that CEH is harder to bring down? Or more evasive for that matter?

Do you even watch CEH? This whole he goes down easy argument is mind blowing to me. Ya there are plays where he gets taken down at the point of contact. And there are just as many plays where hes standing up 3 or 4 guys and pushing for extra yards. Like on that goal line run a couple weeks ago where he was stopped like 2 yards short and bent in half backwards and still managed to stay up and push to the plane for the TD.

RaidersOftheCellar 10-24-2022 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 16550731)
I don think yesterday's run game was as bad as everyone is making it out to be.

Rushing Car Yds Avg TD Lng
Isiah Pacheco 8 43 5.4 0 17
Clyde Edwards-Helaire 6 32 5.3 1 16
Mecole Hardman 2 28 14.0 2 25
Jerick McKinnon 2 12 6.0 0 9

I don’t know why anyone would think it was bad at all, considering the defense the were facing.

Direckshun 10-24-2022 09:55 AM

Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back

DJ's left nut 10-24-2022 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16550734)
That’s surprising to me, yet he probably averages more carries in the first quarter than Pacheco has had in a full game to date.

That's because you believe in rhythm runningbacks.

They're not a thing. Or at least they're an extremely rare thing.

Defenses get tired. They get tired chasing QBs and WRs on passing plays as well. And they don't get the kind of rest/rotation that the skill position guys they're chasing around get.

The idea that the way to tire out a defense is to run at them doesn't stand up to scrutiny and the idea that a RB will suddenly start seeing holes he wasn't seeing in the first half if you keep giving him the football doesn't pass the sniff test.

And again, even if it DID, the juice doesn't justify the squeeze. Half-assing drives in the first half with unproductive runs so that you can have more productive runs in the second half makes zero sense. Just move the damn ball. First drive, last drive and all drives in between. If you're running it well, keep running it. If you're passing it well, keep passing it.

But if you aren't running it well early, the idea that you should keep doing it so you can run the ball better (but still move the ball less efficiently than you would passing it) just doesn't make any sense.

KChiefs1 10-24-2022 10:00 AM

He’s no “rookie year” Kareem Hunt but I thought he was alright. I still think McKinnon is their best RB. He has a burst I love & he isn’t afraid of sticking his head into a defender.


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