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Coochie liquor 01-24-2023 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16761968)
The Bengals oline destroyed the Bills. With the 2 or 3 backup guys or not, they looked fine.

The Bills have zero pass rushers worth a damn outside of Von.

crayzkirk 01-24-2023 07:08 PM

IMO, the biggest disadvantage the Chiefs DL has against the Bengals OL is they don't have a dominant Edge Rusher (DE) while the opposite is true for the Bengals DL against the Chiefs OL. I don't know if it's scheme or player however many time the Chiefs DE go wide and are completely out of the play. Last week, on the long pass that was dropped by the Jags, both DE were so far out of the play that they could have been sitting down.

I don't believe the Chiefs have the necessary players to be able to pressure Burrow much and with the receiving corps they have, it's going to be a long day unless they can get a couple of turnovers.

Not sure what the issue is with the Chiefs OL however being one of the worst in the league on 3rd and short seems to indicate they guys aren't that powerful or the scheme is just bad.

DJ's left nut 01-24-2023 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16761948)
You mean bring three LBs to the party plus three S? Have we ever done that?

No, that's a 3-3-5

Heavy nickel is using a heavier safety as your NCB. It's essentially our 3-safety look and you'd presumably station Cook in the box as a hybrid Sam backer/NCB.

DJay23 01-24-2023 08:19 PM

All of these comparisons of Burrow to Brady reminds me that one of the reasons we wanted Spags was because he was known as a Brady frustrater. I seem to recall that pressure in his face was one of the big keys.

emaw1979 01-24-2023 08:29 PM

He gets rid of it super quick with their offense. A ton of quick dump off and short passes mixed in with the running game. They lull pass rushers to sleep, then he throws deep now and then and when the pass rush is expecting run or quick pass. With their weapons, you have to honor them deep.

The Chiefs have actually played them tough at times. The last game would have looked a lot better had Cheffers not ****ed the chiefs over with a few bad defensive flags.

Megatron96 01-24-2023 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16762094)
No, that's a 3-3-5

Heavy nickel is using a heavier safety as your NCB. It's essentially our 3-safety look and you'd presumably station Cook in the box as a hybrid Sam backer/NCB.

Ok. Shit, maybe that’d work better. At least on 1st and 2nd down.

scho63 01-24-2023 09:05 PM

By pulling all your linemen towards the center, it makes it much easier to block and chip two rushing linemen and buy 1-2 extra seconds. While that seems insignificant, it's the difference between a completion and a sack.

Titty Meat 01-24-2023 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16762094)
No, that's a 3-3-5

Heavy nickel is using a heavier safety as your NCB. It's essentially our 3-safety look and you'd presumably station Cook in the box as a hybrid Sam backer/NCB.

Lots of CFB teams are using that now I don't like it the good offenses tear it apart

DJ's left nut 01-24-2023 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16762213)
Lots of CFB teams are using that now I don't like it the good offenses tear it apart

I'm not really much of a fan either. It's a 'tweener' front.

Though I wonder how similar it was to that Falcon shit they ran in DTs last year here where they had him playing a hybrid LB/DE where they'd try to move him around.

I'd guess they probably used some 3-3-6 there.

poolboy 01-24-2023 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16762094)
No, that's a 3-3-5

Heavy nickel is using a heavier safety as your NCB. It's essentially our 3-safety look and you'd presumably station Cook in the box as a hybrid Sam backer/NCB.

call it what you want...safeties and linebackers are getting moved around

DJ's left nut 01-24-2023 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by poolboy (Post 16762221)
call it what you want...safeties and linebackers are getting moved around

No - it's a completely different alignment. Stop arguing and read.

A 3-3-5 is an odd front and we don't use our DEs as standup backers apart from occasionally widening them into a 9 and letting them rush from a 2-point stance. Nor do we run odd fronts. We do, however, heavily utilize heavy nickel formations that utilize four down lineman, 2 backers and 3 safeties.

A 3-3-5 isn't 'shifting safeties and linebackers.' It's changing the entire nature of your DL. Jones would line up as a zero technique (effectively guaranteeing a double if not TRIPLE team) and the DE's would align as 3-techniques, a position Clark doesn't have the functional strength to do well and Danna/Karlaftis don't have the length for. Dunlap is the only guy who might do well in a 3 technique but he has so little burst these days that you may as well have him 2 gapping.

Maybe consider shutting up and learning something. It would be a fundamental shift in our defensive philosophy. If you wanted to do some of it you might find some success with Jones at the 3 technique, Williams/Nnadi/Saunders at 0 and Dunlap at the other 3 with Clark playing OLB, but now you're just talking about shifting to a 3-4.

poolboy 01-24-2023 09:40 PM

nobodys arguing and nobodys shutting up . its a couple small tweaks to a couple guys on d...stop making it sound like rocket science

MahomesIsTheMVP 01-24-2023 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 16761831)
Here's what their O-Line plays like when they face the Chiefs:

LT - Anthony Munoz
LG - John Hannah
C - Jim Otto
RG - Will Shields
RT - Forrest Gregg

It sure seems that way.

We need the CEO of SackNation to go crazy in this game.

RunKC 01-24-2023 10:00 PM

Nate Taylor said he heard from a good source that the Bills team was just exhausted from everything that happened this year.

They also didn’t have Micah Hyde and Von Miller and Jordan Poyer was playing through a hard injury.

It’s not the same as our situation

BWillie 01-24-2023 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 16762021)
The Bills have zero pass rushers worth a damn outside of Von.

Luckily we have that greek guy, who analytical services have graded as in the bottom 10% of all NFL starting DEs.


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