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Rain Man 11-07-2023 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17214886)
The Chiefs are 2nd in the league on 3rd and 2 or longer and 27th in the league at 3rd and 1 or less.

Surprised they aren't dead last

This is why we need to start taking delay of game penalties on third and one.

KCJake 11-07-2023 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 16782156)
Pitch to Pacheco for an outside run. Pacheco's speed and anger against a lot less congestion.

I feel like this is what we do and it goes for a loss of 3 every time.

Pitt Gorilla 11-07-2023 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16783704)
No. You ****ing use Mahomes. When you put in Bell and then he shuffles into behind the center you have already lost any element of surprise and any ability to pass the ball.

Its so ****ing simple to solve. You QB sneak eith Mahomes...which is the safest play in football.

There's virtually ZERO question what the Eagles are going to do as well. And, yet, they convert at an absurd level. Bell should be that guy for us. If folks are really worried, he CAN throw the ball.

RunKC 11-07-2023 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJake (Post 17214928)
I feel like this is what we do and it goes for a loss of 3 every time.

We ran this play on the 4th and short in the SB and the play design was never on tape. It was a 10+ yard gain.

I believe Andy has a play like this in the backlog for January

Rain Man 11-07-2023 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 17214936)
There's virtually ZERO question what the Eagles are going to do as well. And, yet, they convert at an absurd level. Bell should be that guy for us. If folks are really worried, he CAN throw the ball.

I think that was Vince Lombardi's philosophy with the power sweep. There was no element of surprise at all, but he ran it because it couldn't be stopped.

For those of you too young to remember, Vince Lombardi and Bart Starr were a coach/quarterback combination that won almost as often as Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes II.

CoMoChief 11-07-2023 02:41 PM

Running the offense out of shotgun/RPO 95% of the time doesn't help matters.

IMO this is the main issue, esp when you supposedly have the NFL's best interior OL or at worst a top2-3 unit there.

When the offense lines up behind center in these situations, everyone and their mom knows whats coming. Thats part in reason why the Chiefs have to get cute when calling these plays.

It's really frustrating.

Pitt Gorilla 11-07-2023 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 17214957)
Running the offense out of shotgun/RPO 95% of the time doesn't help matters.

IMO this is the main issue, esp when you supposedly have the NFL's best interior OL or at worst a top2-3 unit there.

When the offense lines up behind center in these situations, everyone and their mom knows whats coming. Thats part in reason why the Chiefs have to get cute when calling these plays.

It's really frustrating.

Our interior is good, but I don't know that we run-block very well 1-5, including the interior OL, when it's simply trying to get a forward push. THAT'S where you need the giants like OBJ.

I'd like to think we could fall forward for a yard, but that's simply not the case with our OL.

ThyKingdomCome15 11-07-2023 02:51 PM

If only we could get Blake Bell to master the tush push.

Gary Cooper 11-07-2023 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 17214964)
Our interior is good, but I don't know that we run-block very well 1-5, including the interior OL, when it's simply trying to get a forward push. THAT'S where you need the giants like OBJ.

I'd like to think we could fall forward for a yard, but that's simply not the case with our OL.

If you can't get one stinking yard consistently by running down the middle, the O-Line isn't very good.

BWillie 11-07-2023 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 17214957)
Running the offense out of shotgun/RPO 95% of the time doesn't help matters.

IMO this is the main issue, esp when you supposedly have the NFL's best interior OL or at worst a top2-3 unit there.

When the offense lines up behind center in these situations, everyone and their mom knows whats coming. Thats part in reason why the Chiefs have to get cute when calling these plays.

It's really frustrating.

You shouldn't run your traditional offense from 3rd and 1 or 4th and 2. Just run everything from under center.

Pitt Gorilla 11-07-2023 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17214972)
If you can't get one stinking yard consistently by running down the middle, the O-Line isn't very good.

And that could be true. I think we have the guys to be a good PB OL (clean up the protections a bit, particularly vs stunts), but I'm not sure that's true with run blocking. It's a weakness that most on here were FINE with if it meant they could pass-block at a high level. Well, now that appears to be a reality, with the caveat that our pass-blocking hasn't been outstanding either.

Pitt Gorilla 11-07-2023 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17214981)
You shouldn't run your traditional offense from 3rd and 1 or 4th and 2.

Exactly. 3rd and 1 doesn't need to be outsmarting anyone, really. If we can't man-on-man move the pile a yard, we can still trap and down-block.

I KNOW Nagy et al. have considered ALL of this. I'm not sure why we haven't seen Bell under center either sneaking or giving to Pop.

carcosa 11-07-2023 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 17214965)
If only we could get Blake Bell to master the tush push.

Bell should stop practicing in order to exclusively do powerlift squats

suzzer99 11-07-2023 03:27 PM

I'd really like one of these stat nerds to quantify how much win % we give up each game by turning 3rd/4th and 1 into 50% success rate, while the rest of the league is at 80-90%.

Chiefshrink 11-07-2023 07:05 PM

Andy doesn't field a FB any longer so we need to go to the "Belldozer" every now and then.:thumb:


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