Just rotate to different college stadiums in Missouri, Kansas, Iowa, Nebraska, Arkansas,.....

There are severe limitations on what they can do to the stadium based on it's age & how it was built.

In fact, forget the stadium!

Then why is that what the Chiefs themselves asked us to do? What are these severe limitations that they didn't care about prior to Tuesday's vote?

They showed you the renovations they wanted to do. Essentially everything was outside the stadium for the parking lot or for VIP's.

If you want to know the limitations on the stadium, I suggest you ask someone in the Chiefs organization. I'm just repeating what was said at some point.

I understand that you think Arrowhead is perfect. I do as well. I love Arrowhead, but I'm also realistic. Eventually they are going to have to replace it because of age. Plus it's in a bad location. What is the point in throwing $800 million into it every 10-15 years just to maintain when they could build a brand new stadium and get everything they want out of it for $1.5-$2 billion.

My brother in law is an architectural engineer in Boston. Originally from the KC area. He says the teams aren’t bullshitting about concrete being an issue.

Says venues like Fenway and Wrigley are fairly easy to update to modern standards for things like tensile strength because you can simply swap out I-beams or reinforce trusses, etc.

Concrete, which was used heavily in the 60’s-80’s, does not maintain its strength over time the same way steel does and is extremely hard do replace in complex design systems like Kauffman and Arrowhead.

He says they could be steel reinforced but the costs to do so would likely be so astronomical that they wouldn’t make sense over just building anew.

His words “inspections will begin to fail, and upkeep will be too expensive to justify staying there, and I’m guessing they’re close to that point already.”

A retractable-roof stadium with 100,000 seats. Preferably not in its current terrible location. Aesthetically, it should bear at least a passing resemblance to the current Arrowhead. Arrowhead on steroids, so to speak.

There's no way any top-notch NFL stadium is getting built for less than $2 billion.

I'm gonna need more than vague references to "someone" said at some point. Especially when the organization itself tried to ram through getting it done so they could be in Arrowhead for the next 40 years.

Arrowhead is a legendary, historic, iconic stadium. It is the envy of the entire NFL. A bucket-list destination. You live with any minor warts, and you don't worry about finding ways to glom on shiny new toys if the main stadium itself is still viable. Lambeau still makes due with bleacher seating FFS.

My understanding is that legally this cannot be done because stadiums are no longer allowed to be built at the extreme angles Arrowhead was built with.

A new stadium means a new design, and that likely means it won’t be as loud as the current design.

A new stadium means serious changes. And you might as well start preparing yourself for those changes, because they are sadly coming.

You think the stadium is going to survive another 40 years?

Look, I know you love it and don't want anything to change. All I'm saying is that change is coming whether you like it or not.

That place still has bench seating in it. Also the citizens basically own the team so there's never a threat of them moving.

This I also would like to know. What are these severe limitations? I think a lot of people saw that report on the K and believed that cancer of concrete BS. That was a hand-picked inspection paid for by Shyster Sherman. The Jackson County Sports Authority refused an independent inspector to examine.

People seem to think improvements and expansion are attached to the Arrowhead structure. The additions some 15 years ago had their own piers and columns and beams that support that structure alone. Excavation isn't a big deal to expand out for larger locker rooms if needed. It is done all the time on building.

I'm a northland kid (grew up in Parkville) and yeah, it's gone off up there.

Probably plenty of space out by the new airport still. Maybe near Tiffany Springs Park or Platte Purchase? Quite a bit of available land out there around 435 as well, though I'm not sure how much of it is capable of being readily developed into that immense a plan. I mean you're talking about 400 acres pretty easily.

There are concrete buildings and structures all over the world well over 100 years old and in fantastic condition.

That's my biggest worry as well. Going to a game isn't cheap, but it isn't prohibitive. For most games you can get decent tickets for 4 people for around $500. If that's something you wanted to do, it wouldn't be hard to save $50/mo for a year and get your game in with the family.

And that will likely seem like a walk in the park compared to what will happen if/when they build a new stadium. Prices don't typically just increase - they friggen explode. And long-term STHs end up getting price out or just flat displaced on occasion because of it.

I think we had a member here who had his seats at the 50 (he'd had for a couple decades) double in price when they did the Arrowhead renovations so he had to move. You'll get that sort of thing and then some with a new stadium.