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Gary Cooper 02-13-2025 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17967627)
2022 he had better OL, better Kelce. We also had schematic advantage.


Teams had screwed with Mahomes/Reid by taking away our vertical game we relied on in 2021.


Reid came back in 2022 with a vengeance. Problem was there was no counter-punch after teams realized we were happy to dink and dunk.

Yeah, but we now have a deep WR in Worthy and a physical possession WR in Rice. That's a good start to diversify the offensive attack.

However, there's question marks going forward at TE, RB, and LT. Maybe a better RB and LT softens the blow felt after Kelce's eventual retirement.

MahomesMagic 02-13-2025 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17967632)
Yeah, but we now have a deep WR in Worthy and a physical possession WR in Rice. That's a good start to diversify the offensive attack.

However, there's question marks going forward at TE, RB, and LT. Maybe a better RB and LT softens the blow felt after Kelce's eventual retirement.

I am confident they will find a young explosive RB. This draft is stacked with RB talent.


It's the left tackle and offensive coaching that worries me.

RunKC 02-13-2025 12:32 PM

Get rid of Bleymaier now. Holy shit this is embarrassing

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FloridaMan88 02-13-2025 12:37 PM

Yeah, if it’s a “daily terror” to have the privilege of coaching a QB like Mahomes… then time to find a new line of work.

MahomesMagic 02-13-2025 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17967655)
Yeah, if it’s a “daily terror” to have the privilege of coaching a QB like Mahomes… then time to find a new line of work.

It's the offensive mentality now.


Play not to lose, manage the game for the defense.


I would prefer to attack and win with Mahomes but that's just me.

JohnnyV13 02-13-2025 12:39 PM

Well,

Getting back to an explosive offense might require more than one offseason of retooling. Mahomes had to go to short efficiency b/c his tackles couldn't hold up. In 2024, he wouldn't have time for "WASP," which took a ton of time to develop. He doesn't have Schwartz and Fisher as bookends.

I think Worthy showed he does threaten defenses deep, but the line didn't let Mahomes fully exploit that ability. Thus, they used him underneath. i think the move is to restructure contracts to get an LT. THe problem becomes: is any of the available solutions someone who can solidify the blindside long-term?

If not, we can't solve the problem until that guy becomes available. Perhaps that's not a problem we can solve this offseason, which means we won't win a SB.

If that solution isn't available, we need to focus on the problems we can fix. Perhaps running back, another corner with elite upside, a run stuffing DT, perhaps linebacker to replace Bolton, or another TE candidate if Wiley isn't the guy.

Just because we want to win next season doesn't mean that the pieces are there to obtain.

MahomesMagic 02-13-2025 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13 (Post 17967662)
Well,

Getting back to an explosive offense might require more than one offseason of retooling. Mahomes had to go to short efficiency b/c his tackles couldn't hold up. In 2024, he wouldn't have time for "WASP," which took a ton of time to develop. He doesn't have Schwartz and Fisher as bookends.

I think Worthy showed he does threaten defenses deep, but the line didn't let Mahomes fully exploit that ability. Thus, they used him underneath. i think the move is to restructure contracts to get an LT. THe problem becomes: is any of the available solutions someone who can solidify the blindside long-term?

If not, we can't solve the problem until that guy becomes available. Perhaps that's not a problem we can solve this offseason, which means we won't win a SB.

If that solution isn't available, we need to focus on the problems we can fix. Perhaps running back, another corner with elite upside, a run stuffing DT, perhaps linebacker to replace Bolton, or another TE candidate if Wiley isn't the guy.

Just because we want to win next season doesn't mean that the pieces are there to obtain.

I really hope they use the resources necessary to get Mahomes going again. 3 years with Mahomes in his prime not being in the MVP conversation is mismanagement of the offense.

RunKC 02-13-2025 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17967519)
Like I said in the draft forum -- if there's a TE and a WR of similar pedigree/potential on the board, I'm taking the WR.

The comparison I made was Colston Loveland vs. Emeka Egbuka. Presuming for the sake of argument that you find both guys to be similarly 'graded' prospects, if I had my choice of either, I'm taking the WR.

Reid's entire career he has shown the ability to get yardage out of his TE. If Kelce walks, we'll still get 800+ yards out of the TE position as a whole.

In the meantime, I'd like to see us move more towards a WR oriented offense with a RB that's more capable of breaking longer runs and/or doing more damage in the screen/passing game.

I agree completely with the thesis of the article. Ultimately we've gotten the job done with plodding weapons and minimizing mistakes, but we're underutilizing our most valuable (and expensive) asset in so doing.

If Loveland and Egbuka are the options, I might take the 3rd option: Treveyon Henderson.

If I have learned anything this year, it’s that damn good RB is key to this era of football. Josh Allen had shit at WR and James Cook helped that offense immensely. Saquon changed everything about the Eagles offense.

Spags had no choice but to run single high A LOT in the SB bc of his respect for their running game and it opened up the 1v1 matchup on their first TD. Conversely, Fangio played cover 2 and cover 4 among the highest %.

Aside from LT, RB might be the most beneficial addition you can give Patrick. A RB that can go 50 yards on any carry is gonna make teams pay for playing cover 2 so much. A RB that can make a defender miss in the open field and get 15 is gonna make teams pay for playing cover 2.

They’ve already got Rashee and Worthy. Would also imagine Hollywood comes back too. If they get a vet LT like I think they will, RB might be the biggest option to help Patrick

MahomesMagic 02-13-2025 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17967673)
If if Loveland and Egbuka are the options, I might take the 3rd option: Treveyon Henderson.

If I have learned anything this year, it’s that damn good RB is key to this era of football. Josh Allen had shit at WR and James Cook helped that offense immensely. Saquon changed everything about the Eagles offense.

Spags had no choice but to run single high A LOT in the SB bc of his respect for their running game and it opened up the 1v1 matchup on their first TD. Conversely, Fangio played cover 2 and cover 4 among the highest %.

Aside from LT, RB might be the most beneficial addition you can give Patrick. A RB that can go 50 yards on any carry is gonna make teams pay for playing cover 2 so much. A RB that can make a defender miss in the open field and get 15 is gonna make teams pay for playing cover 2.

They’ve already got Rashee and Worthy. Would also imagine Hollywood comes back too. If they get a vet LT like I think they will, RB might be the biggest option to help Patrick


Anyone in the draft that plays a bit like Alvin Kamara?

:hmmm:

RunKC 02-13-2025 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17967674)
Anyone in the draft that plays a bit like Alvin Kamara?

:hmmm:

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MahomesMagic 02-13-2025 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17967685)
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Looks good.


What round is he expected to go?

KCJake 02-13-2025 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17967469)
We spent a 1st round pick on an explosive playmaker but spent much of the season throwing him 2 yard passes.

And yet in the Super Bowl when we needed to throw him a 2 yard pass we didn't try

tk13 02-13-2025 01:03 PM

Explosive offense isn't just the deep ball, although they need to be better at it. It can also be medium length plays that guys can bust open.

Don't kid yourself the second this offense gets back to being explosive teams are going to sell the house to take it away. There was a time there where teams would have let us run for 250 over giving up a deep ball.

TEX 02-13-2025 01:08 PM

Ya think???!!! Im tired of Alex Smith part II.

RunKC 02-13-2025 01:35 PM

Middlekauf was a scout for Andy in Philly. Still talks to Veach like Louis Riddick does.

He thinks they’re gonna be busy

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