ChiefsPlanet

ChiefsPlanet (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/index.php)
-   Media Center (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   Movies and TV Breaking Bad (https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=204659)

Thig Lyfe 05-29-2010 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6787782)
Real quick,

Is Mad Men a show for DVD or Blu-Ray?

Do they even put out TV shows on Blu-Ray?

Buck 05-29-2010 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 6787785)
Do they even put out TV shows on Blu-Ray?

http://www.hilaliya.com/noob_tn.jpg

Thig Lyfe 05-29-2010 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6787787)

I don't have fancy technologies. And I don't remember ever seeing a TV show on Blu-Ray at the store, but it could just be because I just block out anything Blu-Ray related because I don't even own an HDTV. Also I live in the slums of Mumbai.

Reaper16 05-29-2010 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6787782)
Real quick,

Is Mad Men a show for DVD or Blu-Ray?

I'd go with Blu-Ray for sure. Not only does this very aesthetically interesting show deserve it but the Season 2 DVD transfer is not the best.

Deberg_1990 05-29-2010 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loxinabox (Post 6786299)
The last episode of BB with the fly was amazing! How often does a TV show enter the theater of the absurd? I mean they were doing Samuel Beckett's Waiting for Godot!

I gave up on it after 20 minutes or so...couldnt get into it.

Reaper16 05-29-2010 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 6787872)
I gave up on it after 20 minutes or so...couldnt get into it.

You are bad at watcing TV.

irishjayhawk 05-29-2010 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6786883)
You're not making sense to me. I didn't once say that BB wasn't intellectually hefty. I am claiming that MM is a better show by the slimmest of margins because it takes on more themes, more subjects, a more comprehensive view of the American idea than does BB and does so with aplomb at least equal to that of BB.


Mad Men is either 1a or 1b in terms of best shows on TV right now.

Perhaps I mixed up my meaning. Would my point make more sense if I compared portion sizes rather than intellectual heft. It seemed you were suggesting MM has more intellectual heft because it's got a bigger plate. I was just suggesting that just because a show is more focused (WWII : Stalingrad :: Mad Men : Breaking Bad) shouldn't count against it.

irishjayhawk 05-29-2010 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6787875)
You are bad at watcing TV.

You are bad at spelling.

Sorry had to take it.

Reaper16 05-29-2010 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk (Post 6788024)
Perhaps I mixed up my meaning. Would my point make more sense if I compared portion sizes rather than intellectual heft. It seemed you were suggesting MM has more intellectual heft because it's got a bigger plate. I was just suggesting that just because a show is more focused (WWII : Stalingrad :: Mad Men : Breaking Bad) shouldn't count against it.

But BB doesn't treat its subject with any more focus than MM does its subjects. You are suggesting that MM, by talking about more things, doesn't talk in the same level of detail that BB does. I disagree with that notion. It isn't that MM has a bigger plate, it's that it has multiple plates.

Reaper16 05-29-2010 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk (Post 6788025)
You are bad at spelling.

Sorry had to take it.

You just outed yourself - Bump is your mult.

irishjayhawk 05-29-2010 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6788030)
But BB doesn't treat its subject with any more focus than MM does its subjects. You are suggesting that MM, by talking about more things, doesn't talk in the same level of detail that BB does. I disagree with that notion. It isn't that MM has a bigger plate, it's that it has multiple plates.

We're talking past each other.

We both agree the level of detail is pretty much equal.

I just think the multiple plates fits into my exact analogy.

irishjayhawk 05-29-2010 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6788032)
You just outed yourself - Bump is your mult.

You lost me.

Reaper16 05-29-2010 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk (Post 6788040)
You lost me.

There is this mult account that's been posting a lot lately called Bump. The account points out every single spelling error in every thread in the lounge.

irishjayhawk 05-29-2010 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6788044)
There is this mult account that's been posting a lot lately called Bump. The account points out every single spelling error in every thread in the lounge.

Oh, that's right. He did that twice to me. One of which was incorrect, too.

Reaper16 05-29-2010 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk (Post 6788038)
We're talking past each other.

We both agree the level of detail is pretty much equal.

I just think the multiple plates fits into my exact analogy.

Yeah, we are talking past each other.

notorious 05-29-2010 03:13 PM

Bump is a ****stick.

notorious 05-29-2010 03:47 PM

What are your favorite quotes from BB?



Jesse "......you don't want a criminal lawyer, you want a CRIMINAL lawyer....."


Jesse "....I just see a cowhouse a few miles away" Walt looks at him "A house, where they live, the cows....."


LMAO

Buck 05-29-2010 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 6788403)
What are your favorite quotes from BB?



Jesse "......you don't want a criminal lawyer, you want a CRIMINAL lawyer....."


Jesse "....I just see a cowhouse a few miles away" Walt looks at him "A house, where they live, the cows....."


LMAO

Shit.

I cant really remember any.

My least favorite though.

"I. ****ed. Ted."

notorious 05-29-2010 03:53 PM

Hank "I'll be thinking breath mint everytime we do a stakeout. Jesus, you got breath that could knock a vulture off a shitwagon."


LMAO

Buck 05-30-2010 04:55 AM

Just watched the first two episodes of Mad Men.

I gotta say I liked them, but didn't think much happened in either episode.

Although it took me over a year to watch the 2nd episode of Breaking Bad, so its a start, amirite?

Reaper16 05-30-2010 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6789092)
Just watched the first two episodes of Mad Men.

I gotta say I liked them, but didn't think much happened in either episode.

Although it took me over a year to watch the 2nd episode of Breaking Bad, so its a start, amirite?

urrite

Buck 05-30-2010 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6789121)
urrite

If anything the first two episodes showed us who the main characters are as people, I guess that's what is needed.

Reaper16 05-30-2010 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6789683)
If anything the first two episodes showed us who the main characters are as people, I guess that's what is needed.

Don't expect action from Mad Men. Nothing "exciting" happens, unless you're like me and find great psychological drama to be exciting.

Zebedee DuBois 05-30-2010 09:04 PM

"Never make the same mistake twice" <-That's too subtle for me. What's Gus sayin?

irishjayhawk 05-30-2010 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebedee DuBois (Post 6790159)
"Never make the same mistake twice" <-That's too subtle for me. What's Gus sayin?

I think it was Jesse but my first, gut reaction was joining with Skyler who was opposed to his business in the first place, filed for divorce, and then didn't turn the papers in after convincing Walt she did.

I just loved Saul's scene. And Aaron Paul reacting to the news Combo was killed. And Dean Norris telling his wife to get the bed out of his house.

And my favorite part was the shot of Jesse breaking meth over the camera.

Zebedee DuBois 05-30-2010 09:19 PM

I liked the shot from the opening scene, with Jesse's dead girlfriend putting out the cigarette butt in the ashtray of his car. Last week Jesse was looking at that lipsticked butt.

irishjayhawk 05-30-2010 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebedee DuBois (Post 6790172)
I liked the shot from the opening scene, with Jesse's dead girlfriend putting out the cigarette butt in the ashtray of his car. Last week Jesse was looking at that lipsticked butt.

BB has, by far and away, the best intro scenes. (Intro scenes being before opening credits)

Zebedee DuBois 05-30-2010 09:23 PM

...and Hank will never stand (poor choice of words) for taking any money from Walt - and I don't think he will just overlook all the bills - he will make it a point to know how and why his care is arranged and how it is paid for - that situation is a burning fuse.

notorious 05-30-2010 09:42 PM

I like the parallel between the Georgia O'Keefe (Sp?) paintings of the doors and the Combo murder. Jesse only had one view on the Combo murder, but after he heard another viewpoint on the murder from his new girlfriend, and then another viewpoint through the kids eyes, it all tied the episode together.


O'Keefe wasn't striving for perfection by painting the same thing over and over again, just drawing different viewpoints of the same thing/occurance.

irishjayhawk 05-30-2010 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 6790188)
I like the parallel between the Georgia O'Keefe (Sp?) paintings of the doors and the Combo murder. Jesse only had one view on the Combo murder, but after he heard another viewpoint on the murder from his new girlfriend, and than another viewpoint through the kids eyes, it all tied the episode together.

Wow, totally missed that. Good freaking catch. I must pay attention more.

Quote:

O'Keefe wasn't striving for perfection by painting the same thing over and over again, just drawing different viewpoints of the same thing/occurance.
But also willing to make the same mistake twice, perhaps.

notorious 05-30-2010 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk (Post 6790189)


But also willing to make the same mistake twice, perhaps.


Thanks for blowing my mind. I missed that one. Nice work :)

Reaper16 05-31-2010 01:00 AM

Of course, Jesse even being with Ashley (or whatever her name is) = Jesse making the same mistake twice (Jane). But, like O'Keefe, it is different every time.

Gustavo's portentous warning that Walt shouldn't make the same mistake twice is going to linger in my mind for the rest of the series.

Tonight's episode was hilarious; really funny stuff. Also balls-out scary to me in many ways. Damn this is a great show. I second the greatness of the underneath-the-meth shot as Jesse breaks up the glass into salable pieces.

TrickyNicky 05-31-2010 01:05 AM

"Walt's a scientist; Scientists love lasers." Gotta love Saul

Reaper16 05-31-2010 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrickyNicky (Post 6790280)
"Walt's a scientist; Scientists love lasers." Gotta love Saul

"... also, Bumper Boats."

Zebedee DuBois 05-31-2010 07:30 AM

I'm still pondering the "Don't make the same mistake twice." message.

The immediate cut-away was to Jesse going to buy from the little assassin on the bike. Walt's suspicion of the lab being bugged could be short - it could be videotaped, as well. Gus may know of Jesses' skimming.

Or...Gus's statement came right after some statements on wealth. Does he know the details of Saul's laundering methods, Skylar's proposed method, or of the money paying for Hanks bills - and not approve?

So many ways it could go - I guess I just hafta keep watching.

btw...the promos said only 3 episodes left in the show - is that the entire show or just the season? I thought there was one more season planned after the current one.

notorious 05-31-2010 08:09 AM

The "Don't make the same mistake twice" message (from Gus) pertains to Jesse IMO. Jesse is a ****-up, always has been, always will be.

He is so stupid that he stole meth from a job where he is making 500K a month.

It could also mean that he is worried about how Walt is spending his money. It is way too obvious. Gus has a nice home, but it is within reason. Gus could buy a 30 million dollar castle, but he chooses to be cautious.

When Gus invited him over, initially I thought he might be gay for Walt ROFL.




ROFL at Badger when Jesse asked him how much he sold, and he responded by telling him he sold a teenth Skinny.

shitgoose 05-31-2010 08:40 AM

I think that Walt ends up investing his money with Ted Beneke, who would be considered a "Danny". He is cooking the books and seems to have cash flow issues. I

Also, eventually Hank is going to find out where the money is coming from.He won't be able to do anything about it having taken hundreds of thousands from Walt for his treatment.

notorious 05-31-2010 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shitgoose (Post 6790449)
I think that Walt ends up investing his money with Ted Beneke, who would be considered a "Danny". He is cooking the books and seems to have cash flow issues. I

Also, eventually Hank is going to find out where the money is coming from.He won't be able to do anything about it having taken hundreds of thousands from Walt for his treatment.

I think Hank is already putting it together.

irishjayhawk 05-31-2010 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebedee DuBois (Post 6790369)
I'm still pondering the "Don't make the same mistake twice." message.

The immediate cut-away was to Jesse going to buy from the little assassin on the bike. Walt's suspicion of the lab being bugged could be short - it could be videotaped, as well. Gus may know of Jesses' skimming.

Or...Gus's statement came right after some statements on wealth. Does he know the details of Saul's laundering methods, Skylar's proposed method, or of the money paying for Hanks bills - and not approve?

So many ways it could go - I guess I just hafta keep watching.

btw...the promos said only 3 episodes left in the show - is that the entire show or just the season? I thought there was one more season planned after the current one.

Season.

WilliamTheIrish 06-02-2010 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 6788422)
Hank "I'll be thinking breath mint everytime we do a stakeout. Jesus, you got breath that could knock a vulture off a shitwagon."


LMAO

An old George Carlin line.

Buck 06-03-2010 01:34 AM

Ok, so I just watched it, well finished watching it.

Two problems. The volume was really bad, I had a hard time hearing Jesse's new chick and Hank.

What did the chick say about that corner and also how did Jesse find out about the corner? He looked pissed at the end.

irishjayhawk 06-03-2010 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6795919)
Ok, so I just watched it, well finished watching it.

Two problems. The volume was really bad, I had a hard time hearing Jesse's new chick and Hank.

What did the chick say about that corner and also how did Jesse find out about the corner? He looked pissed at the end.

Her little brother was sucked into the game. He was the kid in Season 2 who was riding the bike and then shot Combo. That's who he visited on the corner and bought from.

irishjayhawk 06-03-2010 07:22 PM

Sepinwall said this week's Breaking Bad is "INSANE" and continues in the great season we're having.

notorious 06-05-2010 01:37 PM

Was Gus talking about Saul when he told Hank to not make the same mistake twice?


Another possibility........

Zebedee DuBois 06-06-2010 09:03 PM

Lots of good stuff tonight!

irishjayhawk 06-06-2010 09:16 PM

Holy Hot Damn.

Too many things about this episode were really, really good.

I think what I like most about it is the constant pushing of cable tv taboos. Sure, on cable you can show whatever you like, but AMC seems to push the envelop further than most stations will go. Kudos to them.

CoMoChief 06-06-2010 10:06 PM

Holy shit is def going to hit the fan in the next episode.

Reaper16 06-06-2010 10:22 PM

!

Buck 06-06-2010 10:26 PM

Good shit. Looks like Heisenberg is back!

Reaper16 06-06-2010 10:29 PM

I'm still waiting to see a little kid get murdered on-screen. That's a taboo that everyone is reticent to break. Wallace from The Wire was the closest I can think of but even with him the camera was focused on Bodie and Poot when the guns were fired.

Buck 06-06-2010 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6803354)
I'm still waiting to see a little kid get murdered on-screen. That's a taboo that everyone is reticent to break. Wallace from The Wire was the closest I can think of but even with him the camera was focused on Bodie and Poot when the guns were fired.

What was that baseball movie with Keanu Reeves called? Don't know of that counts anyways.

irishjayhawk 06-06-2010 10:33 PM

I don't think you'll ever see that Reaper.

For one, some might argue it's more emotional for an offscreen death than on.

But still BB and AMC are definitely toeing the line.

Buck 06-06-2010 11:46 PM

I think that was the first ever on screen handjob though.

Buck 06-07-2010 12:03 AM

Here is what one of my less intelligent friends has to say.

"I refuse to watch "Breaking Bad". He's selling meth and that's completely unacceptable. People are like "It's great drama/writing/acting!" I don't give a ****. That's like if they had a show about a guy who raped kids for money to save his family. I don't give a damn what the reason is, the action is unacceptable and not worth acknowledging. Meth is death."

My response, "FWIW this is one of the stupidest reasons I've ever heard on why not to watch a show. You know there is another side of the story where there are people trying to get the drugs off the street. That would be like saying, "I won't watch The Wire because of the Heroin and Cocaine that they sell." There is so much other stuff in the show other than Meth."

Reaper16 06-07-2010 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6803408)
I think that was the first ever on screen handjob though.

Episode 1, Season 1 of Breaking Bad had Walt getting a handjob from Skylar.

Zebedee DuBois 06-07-2010 06:00 PM

Lots of quality scenes in this episode.

Jesse and Walt have a beer. Jesse outraged by child exploitation or maybe just the need to avenge a friend. Walt seemingly without any moral center anymore, willing to rationalize. Of course, he has maybe seen the other possible outcome, re: Hank.

The visit to Walt by Saul's PI. "No more half-measures."

The "Come to Gus" meeting, where Jesse stood up to Gus. I thought Walt had a look of amazement on his face for Jesse's courage. Of course, later on the way back, he talked of 'consequences' and that sure came in a tragic hurry.

And the finale scene. How many new windshields will Walt buy? How can he stay if Jesse runs?

irishjayhawk 06-07-2010 08:21 PM

FYI - Next week's finale will run 48 minutes with minimal interruption. Longer than normal and would be much longer with proper commercials.

Afterwards, a sneak peak at Rubicon which has me intrigued.

jjjayb 06-07-2010 10:35 PM

Holy shit that was crazy! Definitely not what I was expecting. This show is incredible.

notorious 06-07-2010 10:49 PM

The kid didn't get the package from Wendy and eat the cheesburgers, did he?

Thig Lyfe 06-07-2010 11:03 PM

I just now caught this week's episode and OH MY ****ING GOD I CAME ADRENALINE.

Thig Lyfe 06-07-2010 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 6805915)
The kid didn't get the package from Wendy and eat the cheesburgers, did he?

Nah, it was a "gang-style execution" or somesuch. Definitely some "Where's Wallace?" shit.

Reaper16 06-08-2010 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebedee DuBois (Post 6805290)
And the finale scene. How many new windshields will Walt buy?

HOW WILL WALT JR. EVER PASS HIS DRIVER'S LICENSE TEST OH NOOOOO

morphius 06-08-2010 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjjayb (Post 6805890)
Holy shit that was crazy! Definitely not what I was expecting. This show is incredible.

I expected Walt to stop the situation, but that wasn't what I was expecting either. Of course by the time he got there he really didn't have many options.

L.A. Chieffan 06-08-2010 11:39 AM

mother****.

just saw it.

goddamn i love this show

L.A. Chieffan 06-08-2010 11:47 AM

the use of colors in this, especially in the last ep. wow.

its almost like a kubrick tv show

HotRoute 06-08-2010 12:07 PM

Gus is going to do something about this, after he makes them agree to a peace treaty they go off a wack these guys . . . So much for walt being clean and smart about his dealings. I have a feeling their contract with Gus will be terminated which should lead to some interesting turn if events

Reaper16 06-08-2010 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC111110 (Post 6806826)
Gus is going to do something about this, after he makes them agree to a peace treaty they go off a wack these guys . . . So much for walt being clean and smart about his dealings. I have a feeling their contract with Gus will be terminated which should lead to some interesting turn if events

I've had a feeling for a while that this season was going to end with one person needing to die - either Jesse or Gus.

irishjayhawk 06-08-2010 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6806879)
I've had a feeling for a while that this season was going to end with one person needing to die - either Jesse or Gus.

I think they'll opt for Gus because of Paul's acting chops and nominations. But I think it'd be bold/better for Jesse to go.

Pasta Little Brioni 06-09-2010 11:41 AM

everyone knows it's Windy...

Damn, now I got that song stuck in my head.

Reaper16 06-09-2010 10:02 PM

Ever wondered what Breaking Bad would look like as an ABC sitcom? Welp,

<object height="385" width="640">


<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/CtZpo89mmJo&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="385" width="640"></object>

<object height="385" width="640">


<embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/PH8Wke4RfQk&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" height="385" width="640">

<object height="385" width="640">

</object>
</object>

Reaper16 06-09-2010 10:05 PM

<object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/09xwj7L7-Z0&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/09xwj7L7-Z0&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>

cdirty 06-10-2010 09:23 AM

haha. thats hilarious.

badgirl 06-12-2010 05:40 PM

I'm thinking Walt will end up killing Gus and rises in power with the Cartel families, Hank will really end up surprised some day to see the head of it all is Walt. Oh yea I hate Hank by the way....

Buck 06-12-2010 05:41 PM

Hank is like the best character. You crazy girl.

badgirl 06-12-2010 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6817025)
Hank is like the best character. You crazy girl.

He does add to the show but they portray him as a big baby, instead of being this hardnose DEA agent he has his anxiety attacks and fearful all the time. He has his place in the show and I am sure there is a reason for everything they do...

I really love this show to and hate we just have one more episode left for the season.:deevee:

Reaper16 06-12-2010 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgirl (Post 6817039)
He does add to the show but they portray him as a big baby, instead of being this hardnose DEA agent he has his anxiety attacks and fearful all the time. He has his place in the show and I am sure there is a reason for everything they do...

I really love this show to and hate we just have one more episode left for the season.:deevee:

LOL you try narrowly surviving a ****ing Cartel deathtrap in which you see your men gruesomely slain and NOT come away from that experience with fears and anxiety.

badgirl 06-12-2010 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6817043)
LOL you try narrowly surviving a ****ing Cartel deathtrap in which you see your men gruesomely slain and NOT come away from that experience with fears and anxiety.

yea but that is his job, he realized he couldn't handle it and thats why he didn't go back to El Paso. Which of course also has its reasons that he stay where he's at.

irishjayhawk 06-13-2010 09:46 PM

While the episode left me wanting more, I can definitely see the wisdom in ending where it did. It marks the clear departure for amateur hour with Walter White and Jesse Pinkman and the rise of Heisenberg and his associate(s). It also lets Gus survive another season.


Also, anyone watch Rubicon sneak preview after the show? If so thoughts?

I thought there is an interesting differentiation between Rubicon and Breaking Bad's use of sound.

Zebedee DuBois 06-13-2010 09:49 PM

Tonight's episode doesn't leave a very healthy working relationship for Walt and Gus in the future.

Reaper16 06-13-2010 10:02 PM

I checked out of the Rubicon episode because it was boring the shit out of me. To be fair, following a thought-provoking episode of Breaking Bad wasn't doing it any favors.

Immediately after it happened, I thought the cliffhanger ending to the season was the biggest misstep that the series has ever made (the only misstep, one might say). Why do I say cliffhangar? Because Breaking Bad has been so good in the past about not letting who seems to be in control actually have control... I was so worried that Jesse was going to get shot from behind... and it feels like a cliffhangar because it isn't outside of the realms of possibility that he did get shot. So I'm RRRRRAAAAAAAAAGGGGEEE-ing at the fact that I won't get resolution until ****ING MARCH!!!

But the episode is ****ing killer either way. Funny and tense like no other show knows how to be.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:40 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.