Wow. That's all I can say.

K-State has just as many question marks as any other team in the North. Automatically annointing them a contender is a bit homerish.

Missouri you already mentioned - Pinkel.

And Nebraska won't recover like you think. That excellent DC they brought in from Wisconsin took basically the same personnel and made a top 10 defense into a bottom 10 defense. Nebraska may finish LAST.

Whens the last time ISU, Kansas, or Missouri has won the North? How about even contend for the title? Once every few years for ISU/MU. KU, never. Until they prove otherwise, like I said, it will be a 3 team division.

CU IMO has the best chance to repeat. They return most of their starters on offense, and just about all of them on defense. Nebraska is up in the air, but they are bringin in alot of JUCO talent that may fill their needs quickly. Kansas State has done the same thing.

This Chiefs thread has been hijacked by college football talk............

The last time ISU contended for anything Dwayne Crutchfield was their RB.

Just a few years ago people said ISU would contend. The Seneca Wallace days. They did ok, but still got crushed by KSU, NU, and CU for the most part. McCarney isn't a good coach, and ISU has the smallest FB budget in the Big XII. Nothing will change that fact this year. They will remain a mediocre to bad team for awhile.

Meanwhile, back to the NFL.......

Seneca Wallace has been promoted to the #2 QB position for the Seahawks following the departure of Trent Dilfer. He is also fielding punt and kicks in practice.

Very nice segway!

ISU shared the North title last year and would have won it outright had they not lost to Mizzou by 3 point in OT.

KSU, NU, and CU aren't the same teams they were then.

ISU could finish 6-5 this year and still have a chance to win the North.

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Thanks!

This year's ISU team will be a much more complete team than that teram with Wallace. The year they were good with Wallace, it was basically a one man show.

And if your only reason for saying they will suck is because they have been sh*tty for a long time, that's not much of a arguement. It's not like crappy schools don't occasionally get lucky and field good teams. I'm not saying ISU is neccessarily going to be good. They are just going to better than the rest of the crap in that division.

Besides, picking KSU to be good this year just shows what a sad homer you are.

I don't know why the fuck I'm sticking up for the Cyclowns. Iowa will snap them in half in mid October, leaving a pile of bones for the pathetic north to display their crapiness against.

If it's impossible for perennially crappy teams to win, what happened with Kansas State?

Oh yeah, that's right. The "perenially crappy team" argument is a LOAD OF CRAP.

:rockon:

Hey, they can't get much worst. I actually think CU will be the team to beat, not ISU. They return ALOT. I don't know why you Cyclone sympathizers overlook them.

Fujita? Not make the team? WTF?

Cyclone sympathizer? I certainly hope you didn't get your degree at K-State, doesn't say much about them academically. They do teach basic reading and comprehension, right?

Posted TODAY at 11:13am by htismaqe
If it's that tempting, put your money where your mouth is.

Name 2 teams in the North that have, definitively, less questions than Iowa State.

I see Colorado. Who's the other?

So Colorado is going to be good because they return "alot"?

ISU is returning 17 of their 22 starters, that sounds like "alot" to me.

CU is returning 16 of 22 starters.

I'll put a sixer on ISU not winning the north. I'm betting NU wins it, since they play CU, KSU, and ISU at home. Take it?

And no, I did not attend K-State...you silly Cy-hawk! :)

16 < 17

Apparently, K-State has problems teaching math, too. :D

I figured 16 starters who won the Big XII north > 17 starters who choked and lost to a shitty Mizzou team, therefore NOT winning the Big XII north ;) They teach good fuzzy logic.

I'm not suggesting that Iowa State WILL win the North, just that they COULD and that they have just as good (if not better) chance as anybody else in an extremely shitty Big 12 North.

I think Colorado will win it. I'm guessing Nebraska will struggle to even finish in the top 50%, let alone win it.

16 starters that won 4 and lost 4 in the conference.

vs.

17 starters that won 4 and lost 4 in the conference.

Colorado SHARED the North title with Iowa State and went to the championship on a tiebreaker.

Fuzzy logic is insisting that 16 returning starters is a strength for Colorado but not for Iowa State.

Today's update added.

where?

Go Bo Go!

Thanks Parker.

surely he said Bo was having a good HALF camp..... ;)

Did I miss something or do ISU not contend for the Big 12 North title last season? IIRC, they were in it until the last game of the season. And they beat KSU in Manhattan, to boot. Not that I'm an ISU fan or anything but let's at least get our facts straight, KSU homers.

:D

Seriously, Bo has obviously looked good when he's in there. But right now, he's only practicing half of the time. That's not a good thing when he's over a year removed from ACL surgery.

In the original thread starter.

Good to hear about the defense...however, Im not sure how much utility there is in giving Holmes a concussion.

They didn't do it on purpose, silly.

It wasn't there yet when I checked. Thanks man!

I'm loving it every time I hear about this defensive intensity, we have indeed been missing that for way too long!

Also nice to hear Bo is performing well at WR, cause I really think now he makes it if he shows anything at all in positional discussions. We need him on ST. I've been counting him out of the final roster countdowns, but looks like I may have to take my crow on that one.

no kidding?

:D

Larry Freaking Johnson

these football threads with updates are the best

EVAR!!!

thanks

Seeing Bo do so well while still not fully recovered is very encouraging to me.

I'm also excited about the camp LJ is having. This guy could really break the back of a lot defenses. Also, Holmes needs somebody that can spell him without any dropoff in offensive production.

I wonder what Gunther thinks when he sees LJ run. He's exactly the kind of back that Gunther always wanted.

1. i worry that the chiefs are trying to duel role Bo ... it hurt Dante and it will prolly hurt Bo

2. will the improve level of defense in practice hurt the offenses ability to develop and get into a groove?

imo the #1 offense should practice against the #2 defense and vice versa. Then every so often have a full 11 on 11 scrimmage with #1's on #1's.

What duel roles? He's always played special teams and I doubt if they plan on making him a full time WR.

increasing his playing time hurt dante's special teams play(he even says so)

and now it sounds like Bo is competing to increase his playing time at wide receiver. If Bo becomes the full time 3rd receiver or maybe even becomes the 2nd receiver, the chiefs need to pull him from most of his special teams duties.

If Bo wears down as easy as Dante then something is wrong. Also, their duties on special teams are not really all that comparable.

I agree, somewhat. But....LJ can smell the goal line from 80 yards away. Plus, his goal line running late in the season was impressive. A couple of times I saw him get hit cold but he kept pumping his legs until he ran over the defensive player. The only thing I didn't like was his standing over the dude and giving him the business afterwards. I guess he was just showing his might.

I'm looking for big things from LJohnson this year.

why is that...


imo Bo prolly gets banged up MORE doing his special teams duties then Dante. There are many times dante doesn't even get tackled, but Bo always blocks/tackles etc.

Marty?

Solid fundamentals like Marty, yes.

But when it's 1st and 10 on the 40 and you need 2 points to win, Ferentz goes for the deep post. When it's 28-14 at halftime, Ferentz doesn't go into a shell and allow one bounce of the ball to determine the outcome of the game.

OK, I see. Barring injury, I don't think either of those things are likely to happen. I don't think Bo will become a full time 3rd WR (or even less likely, a starter). My guess is that he wouldn't even make the team as a WR if that's all he had going for him. I'm expecting him to be a special teamer with a limited role in the offense just like his role the last few years. Of course, I'm no expert so it's all just guesswork.

You can't just casually discount talent. And Nebraska has had a major influx of just that as of yesterday. :thumb:
They also happen to be a VERY pissed off team. :D

There's more topics in this thread than Kotter has usernames...

I know alot of Penn State Alumni in my neck of the woods that would love to see "The Curse of the Penn State Running Back" Broken.

Damn, we got some backs from 1 to 3. :drool:

I'm certainly not discounting talent. But there's only a handful of coaches in the country that can do what Kevin Cosgrove did to that defense...

okay... ya if he's just a spot player then load him on special teams, that's part of a spot players job. But people keep talking about how good his camp is going and how he can get back to being productive etc,etc.

if that happens i don't want him on special teams ... at least not very many of them.

Yeah, the defense was terrible with virtually the same personel. Fabian Washington, the Bullocks brothers, Barett Ruud..hell, it should have been a top 10 defense, talent wise.

They are now just known as "The Blackskirts".

It was a top 10 defense the year before. They were like 110th in D-1 in defense last year. Count me as mystified.

Who knows, maybe they'll figure it out. Cosgrove doesn't have a very good track record though.

Back to the top.

man that sucks about Tony...he and Trent are the two players we can't afford to lose...he's got time to rest, but feet problems are hard to heal (a pun!)...look at Shockey

Tony will be fine. He does this every year.

They discovered his foot injury last year at this time. He played the entire season with it. His foot is tender where they did the surgery, which is to be expected. But even if it is tender come start of the season, he proved last year that he can play through it, and play WELL.

The comment about LJ and the defense concerns me.

Did he mention if the offense looks that bad or what? Did he expand on that thought?

I agree, I said the same thing yesterday...but you'd hope this wasn't happening post-surgery...I just don't want anything to ruin a (so far) perfect run up to the season...

Shields is dinged up. Dunn is dinged up. Gonzo is dinged up. Holmes is dinged up.

He's never said the offense looks bad or anything less than they have the last 3 seasons, but somebody is going to have to step up if these dings linger into the season.

He also sounded VERY confident that not only would the defense and LJ be needed to win a couple of games, but that they could be counted on to DO it.

but every team has games where one side is awol and the other side has to bail them out...our problem has been the offense never gets bialed out...hopefully that changes this year

Imagine what our offense could do if AS knew the defense could be counted on to make an important stop. :)

It was a Top 10 defense talent wise. As evidenced by how many guys were drafted high in the draft. The problem was they went with a totally different scheme last year. Callahan made a huge mistake in my opinion by not keeping Pelini on as DC. This year they brought in former Osborne DC Charlie McBride to work with Cosgrove. Course Charlie is working sans pay out of loyalty to the program. :thumb: They're returning to more of a blitzing/zone defense like they've always run. It should be vastly different results.

Bumpity bump.

[HALLELUJAH]*The return of DEFENSE and ball control*[/HALLELUJAH]

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hmmm....I'm hoping Parker gives us a spark..

fyi, I heard Neal Jones on 610 saying Siavii was practising at 1/2 speed and looks out of shape and gassed after every play...basically said he looks just like last year - lazy....I keep hoping for good news about this guy

When he said nobody stands out after Kennison, does that mean they are all doing equally well, or they are all equally mediocre?

I've also heard that Bell won't play this Friday. I still think something is up with Gun. I believe he's got a trick up his sleeve that he doesn't want to release until 9/11. I'm thinking some kind of weird formation using Bell, maybe a falcon type of positioning.

I hope it has nothing to do with Bell's health...

I don't think so, he's been practicing, but who knows.

Where did you hear that he won't play?

It was reported on guess who's website.....so, I wouldn't put a lot of stock in it.

That they're all doing equally well, but none of them look like potential stars.

He said there's no Andre Johnsons or Randy Moss' on this team. But there are several guys who can take some pressure off of the core players.

Holthus has spent quite a bit of time over the last couple of interviews talking about injuries and he hasn't mentioned Bell.