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Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=176828)

Hammock Parties

12-30-2007 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Sorry dude...you've said nothing convincing. We'll simply never know whether these guys really degraded as fast as people think because they instantly got thrown into a blocking system that was not their thing. Even Brian Waters wasn't up to snuff this year. Why? Because he was more suited for the previous style of pulling more often. Others can see this...you can not. We disagree. Move on.

Oh...and the middle three ARE Vermeil holdovers...

Welbourn and Terry are not suited for anything. They suck. So does Wiegmann. None of them will be on an NFL roster next year.

Hammock Parties

12-30-2007 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mcan

We suck in the second half because Herm Edwards believes in short practices. So we practice for an hour and half. Then we play the game and look OK for an hour and a half. When we come back out, we're tired... The other guys... Not so much.

We have many other problems as well, but this is the reason for the first/second half descrepancy, IMO...

I don't agree with this. We were just fine in the second half last year.

dallaschiefsfan

12-30-2007 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Welbourn and Terry are not suited for anything. They suck. So does Wiegmann. None of them will be on an NFL roster next year.

Terry was a mistake...Turley was a gamble. You are completely wrong on Wiegman, though...he played very well in the former blocking system. He plays like any guy of his size would play in the Herminator's system. He gets roughed up all they time because he's not suited to block in this system. He should have retired with Shields and saved himself from an impossible situation.

Hammock Parties

12-30-2007 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

Wiegmann sucks. The guy is good at pulling, yes. You can't pull him on every play.

Dave Lane

12-25-2008 08:52 AM

A bump for year #3 any arguments now??

cdcox

12-25-2008 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Zouk (Post 4462062)

Let the record note that you're willing to give Herm more time than even I - the uber-Herm defender - is willing to give him. If we're this bad in 2008, he will and should be fired.

If I'm not mistaken, Zouk is still a strong Herm defender.

Deberg_1990

12-25-2008 09:20 AM

haha...nice bump. Perhaps the best bump of all time.

Dave Lane

12-25-2008 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 5327065)

haha...nice bump. Perhaps the best bump of all time.

I thought it was pretty interesting after reading the comments...

crossbow

12-25-2008 10:20 AM

If the Home opener debacle against the Raiders didn't expose Herm then there is no hope for you guys. His team wasn't even close to being prepared to take the field. It was all I needed to see.

Lets give Charlie Manson another chance too. I don't think it is fair to judge a man after only one slip up.

The Bad Guy

12-25-2008 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 4461222)

I think Herm came in saddled with an OC and a DC dictated by CP. Herm has mentioned on a couple of occasions lately that there are things he can not talk about as directed by powers above in the organization. And even though he came out and said Gun is his man for the DC spot, it is clear they are not on the same page.

I really believe Herm and Dungy are of the same mold, and I like what Dungy has done in both Indy and Tampa. But I believe Herm needs to be allowed to run the team the way he sees fit, and not with the meddling of the GM to interfer with the everyday operations of the coaching staff.

Another person brainwashed by Herm.

Tom Moore was forced on Tony Dungy. Tony Dungy changed because Peyton Manning forced him to.

Herm picked his coordinators. He picked Gunther. He wanted Gunther in NY, but he came back here.

His ****ing record is 15-33 in 3 years. That's with 9 wins the first year.

Dave Lane

12-25-2008 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 4461923)

I'm on the fence on this issue. What coach would have had this collection of inept talent further along at this point? We know Carl has meddled with the situation and delayed a true "rebuild," which is what Herm wanted from the start.

I don't think Herm is taking us anywhere, but he deserves the chance to build his own team. I guess what I'm trying to say is, give him as much rope to hang himself with as possible. If we're this bad in 2009, pull the plug.

Ouch

Hammock Parties

12-25-2008 10:51 PM

I stand by that statement. Herm hung himself in my eyes this year.

JohnnyV13

12-25-2008 11:15 PM

Herm needs another year because my Voodoo priestess had rotator cuff surgery and hasn't been able to finish her voodoo doll. If we fire Herm this year, he will not properly suffer for his sins.

smittysbar

12-26-2008 12:02 AM

Ha Ha, great bump

whoman69

12-26-2008 10:37 AM

If this forum had been around in 1977 you could have taken many of these posts, replaced Herm Edwards with Paul Wiggin and they would fit seemlessly. I express ZERO confidence that Herm's scheme could build a winner let alone a Super Bowl winner. Herm has shown ZERO that indicates he should be back for another season. He should have been let go after the Oakland game only Carl Pederson would have signed his own resignation papers at this time. Carl and Herm were tied together. Since CP is now gone, this nightmare which was the Herm Edwards era can finally end.

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