I guess if Stafford, Bradford and Sanchez all stayed in school I might lean toward Oher. That's about the only way.....

An All-pro year in and year out at position deserving of the 1st round pick, yeah!!!!!!! I believe it could work! If I remember correctly Steve Hutchinson was drafted in the 1st round at the #17 spot.

I wouldn't take a G in the first round, especially at 15. Just like I wouldn't take a C or a FB or a P or a K with a first round pick. There's a way to build a team properly, and then there's the way you recommend....

I see that Tribal Warfare is up to his usual draft shtick, gushing over a potential draftee as the greatest thing evah. The problem is that his record is not that great. If I recall he pimped Lelie as the next great WR and you would have thought that DJ was going to be the second coming of LT.

without an O-line a team can't function period. So you are essentially saying picking a player with perrenial all pro potential is a bad idea. Like you said, BRILLIANT!

I don't understand what people don't like about Albert. He's a great physical specimen and he's playing the position just like you'd want him too. There is nothing wrong with our incredibly young, talented LT. Nothing. Guards aren't drafted #15. They just aren't.

That was the same year as John Henderson I believe, and I wanted that cat. We got Sims instead. Everyone thought DJ would be good, hell he was thought've as the #1 prospect in the draft at one point.

Without a QB that can stay healthy a team won't ever win anything. It doesn't matter if we drafted Oher and Robinson, and moved Albert back inside and bought a legit RT. Brodie's still going to get hit or pushed down at least once or twice a game even with an all-pro line. It's going to happen. Tom Brady has a pretty damn good line. He still got his knee crushed, and Brodie will get hurt again. It's just a matter of time.

I like Brodie. I wanted him to be the guy. He got hurt in the first half of the first *****ing game of the season. And he's out 5-6 weeks or whatever.

***** that noise. He'll make us a fine back-up. He'd be great to have coming off the bench, but it's not going to work with him suiting up to start each Sunday.

I guess my point is that you nor I have absolutely no clue who will be a success and who will be a bust. Your annual manlove and passionate arguments seem silly as a result. JMO.

Steve Hutchinson was drafted at #17, and Ruban Brown was selected at #14.

In other words, he's full of it?

I've learned to simply ignore his obsessive gushing.

Talking to him is like talking to a tape recorder.

Everyone had a mancrush on Oher last year.

He didn't come out.

Everyone has a mancrush on Bradford this year.

He probably won't come out.

The difference between this year and last is we were going to try Brodie out and see how he held up. He didn't. If Brodie stayed healthy I still wouldn't advocate drafting Oher, even if Brodie was going to be our QBOTF for sure.

Why? We have a left tackle, his name is Branden Albert. He is a very promising LT, and he looks to have the position down pretty well in 3 games!!!! You don't throw away the 15th pick on a G.

Oher is about as sure thing at LT as possible. Would I take him over Stafford, yes but that is bc I dont think Stafford will be very good. Would I take him over Bradford. Hell no. Would I take him over Sanchez. Nope.

The Chiefs, during the 90s, had the best O-Line in the league next to the Boys, and what exactly did they win with the scrub QBs they trotted out there?

Look at my last post, both are perennial All-pros or were, did those teams make the wrong choice. Your argument doesn't make any sense, not picking a player on offense or defense that could dominate their position.

I'm not a big Sanchez guy, but I do concur on Bradford.

We could have had Elway, Aikman, Young or Favre and Marty still would have found a way to screw up.

Using 2 G's that were drafted in the first round as proof you should do it is stupid. That's like saying you shouldn't take a DE #1 ever because Cortney Brown was drafted there.

Like it or not the QB is the most important position on the field. We need one. We have a LT that looks like he's going to be a stud. Why on earth would you pass on a position you need (and that actually makes sense to take at #1) to draft at #1 a position you don't? And don't give me the "Oher grades higher" because we all know Stafford is going to grade top 5 anyway. Your strategy doesn't hold water, although I do like your passion.

They are both all-pros dominate all-pros, and that's my point. If one can pick a player that is dominate at their position on offense or defense you take them those two players presented are.

We already picked up a LT that could be an all-pro and dominate the position.

Do you have any faith in Brandon Albert? Or do you just see a shiny new toy dangling in front of your face and throw down the one you have in your hand?

Albert wasn't projected to be a G in the NFL. He was projected to be a LT. That's why he was drafted so high. The Eagles were looking at him for an LT. We got him. He's an LT now. He could have been in college. He has the size, speed, feet and power to be a great LT in the league.

Thats the same argument findthedouche had last year with Dorsey and Ellis bc we had Tank and Turk.

How is Ellis doing anyway?

I can't argue that.

However, Joe Montana, a shadow of the former great QB he once was, almost overcame Martyocrity.

TW and FtD are almost like twins.

Were Tank and Turk first round picks that had showed they could handle their respective positions exceedingly well in three games?

Negative.

Did we give Tank and Turk an ass-load of money and make them starters from day one?

Negative.

However, in spite of FtD's single minded focus, he did provide a lot of great info.

Where have I said that QB isn't? I think it's funny people say draft a 1st round QB, with the 1st overall pick even though he was major concerns. I'm all for BPA, and this year it's either Oher or Rey-Rey. Unless Bradford comes out, their isn't QB I would look at the #1 overall pick.

People are taking this shit way too personally. It's almost like they are defending their own family members from personal attack.

Like I've said earlier, people almost become pot committed to their arguments, and they'll make asinine assumptions and conclusions in order to back them up.

The fact of the matter is that if you are looking at raw physical ability, Matt Stafford has more than Sam Bradford. No one knows if he has the intangibles because they are intangible, they aren't measurable. You haven't been in the huddle with either of them, and you haven't interviewed them.

Bradford may end up being a Tom Brady-like pro. However, he's surrounded by a ton of talent, with three legit NFL lineman blocking for him, including two late first-early second rounders this year.

People forget that Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Cutler, Rivers, and Carson Palmer (for his first 2 years) did not have a lot of talent around them. None of them put up all world stats, but they had the raw physical ability, and aside from Rivers, all of them had at least serviceable mechanics (I'm looking at you, Tim Tebow).

If you are that worried about decision making, why did Roethlisberger throw almost 35 picks against MAC competition in college? Stafford doesn't continually lob the ball into double and triple coverage.

Just because a QB has a strong arm doesn't mean he's a gunslinger. It means he has a strong arm. That's about as intelligent as saying Black QB=running threat who should be a WR.

Haven't you heard?

Having a strong arm means you're stupid as sh*t, and the only reason you have that arm strength is to make up for what you lack in your head.

:clap:

Stafford is very inconsistent when it comes to decision making, one game he looks solid, then on another his WRs either make spectacular catches when the DB is plastered on them, and I don't take shit personally on a message board. Unless someone berates one of my family members.

This is true. Let's move this thread to DC where it belongs.

Stafford make what looks like bad decisions because he has crap receivers that can't get separation.

Are you referring to the games he's played in this year? Because if so, having 0 INTs with questionable decision making when throwing it into receivers who are plastered across 100 attempts is a pretty lucky streak. I'm not saying it's impossible, but without specific evidence, it's kind of a hard assertion to back up.

Throwing into crowds where multiple defenders are, he can squeeze in there but in the pros it will get intercepted.

ROFL

so, you have no actual criticism, just a hypothetical one?

are you what's his name, that guy obsessed with jake long?

"I refer to my prior statement".

I'd add something but Hamas owns this thread.

It's typical TW.

It's something he has to work on, people crucified Croyle in making the same decisions last season. The kid can be good, but needs to be in the right system and right situation. If not he'll be the sacrificial lamb that Brodie is. Bradford on the other hand is as close as a polished QB there is.

People crucify Brodie Croyle because he's more frail and injury prone than 60 year old woman with osteoporosis.

While a few, get on him for bad decisions, because he had a habit last year to squeeze the longball in double coverage and got it picked. If a rookie QB is coming in, he has to be very polished, unless the next coach is an offensive genius and knows how to develop talent. It's critical for a team rebuilding to have a QB with impeccable intangibles of accuracy ,defensive progressions, and leadership under ipressure of winning the ball game in a moments notice ( referred as the X or being in the zone)

I think we should just never draft a QB, because unless the guy is perfect we don't want him right.

Well, clearly Sam Bradford is perfect.

I'm 99% sure if he played for Georgia and Stafford played for OU or Texas this debate would be switched, there's serious big 12 attachment around here.

at #1 overall he has to be, and Bradford is the closest thing out their to a truly polished prospect.BTW, how does Mustain look the Arkansas transfer, now that's a kid that intrigues me a couple years down the road.

Stafford is from Dallas

Yep, he'd be John Elway.

Yeah I'm sure its bc Bradford plays in the Big 12 its why everybody likes him. Drawing straws on that one.

And how many people know that? He doesn't play in the conference most here follow, all they know is he plays for Georgia, or they know he chose Georgia over schools like Texas and OU.

Bradford is more polished sure, but he doesn't remotely possess the same talent. I have questions about Bradford physically in the NFL, I have no physical questions about Stafford he has every tool you would want a guy to have if you where to dream up the position.

All of Staffords flaws are fixable....all of Bradfords aren't.

Elway is the QB he wants to be....he said in an interview that was his guy.

I meant if he went to OU people here would think he was John Elway. Big arm, mobile etc....

If he's willing to work hard to become that good consider me to have a mancrush. :)

the most dangerous word referring to anyone or even insinuating it, potential. Bradford has taken major hits and hasn't been killed, so what's the problem?

I agree with that if he played in the Big 12 this board would be blowing their loads over the guy.

I think Bradford is going to be a little scheme limited and he does need to gain weight, I have neither of those questions with Stafford.

Before you said he was better version of Matt Ryan, and now he's limited?

To me I actually think Stafford is better set up for the NFL know why? He's playing with bad WR's he has to needle the ball into small windows because his WR's outside of AJ Green this year can't separate.

I'd much rather see that than a guy throwing to wide open receivers all over the field which is what I've seen a bunch of with Bradford. A guy use to throwing into tight coverage and having to place the ball is much better prepared than a guy who gets to throw to guys running free.

I think that experience helped Matt Ryan.

OU still runs that shotgun spread the field way out thing right? That would have me a bit leery because you'd have a lot more space to throw into etc...

Winnar!!11!

Um Ryan is a bit limited too.....I don't even think Bradford is comparable to Ryan right now, he has to get bigger and show he can make NFL throws. Hell I even think Ryan has a better arm than Bradford does, I say he's limited in his arm strength.

Yea you see alot of that, it's not as gimmicky as the spread but it's not pro style either, it's kinda in the middle.

I value a brain on a quarterback more than I do his body. Its been the main reason why a guy like Romo or Hasselback makes it in the league and an Akili Smith or Todd Marinovich falter. I think you are getting a little too worked up on Stafford's body. He is only 6'3, its not like he is 6'5 or 6'6. He does have a hell of an arm though.

This.

Kind of like Manning, Brady, and Steve Young arm strength limited? I can live with that.

I honestly question if Bradford can make NFL throws, he has a quick release and good footwork but he gets to throw to alot of guys running free with giant gaps of separation, you don't see that in the NFL.

With Stafford I see, 6'3, 235, huge arm, good mobility, playing without NFL caliber WR's aside from Green for this year as a true freshman. In a tough conference..there's alot about Stafford to say he's being set up well...

Not to mention he has been starting since his true freshman year at that program, and will have 35 starts at the end of this year.

His arm is in no way comparable to Youngs....or even Mannings. Brady and Manning don't have rockets I think Ryan is comparable to them I think Bradford is below that level, now if he gains weight his arm may strengthen some that is possible.

I think you are putting way to much stock in Stafford's arm. Now its a cannon I will admit that.

The arm has to be there.....you can't use a top pick on a guy with a peashooter.

Every thing I've ever seen of Bradford gives me a couple of huge questions. Can he make NFL throws, like the 20 yard deep out. Can he put the ball on a line in the window it has to be in to get it by the defenders, can he fit the ball into a guy who only has slight separation. I haven't seen any of that, I've seen huge stats with him throwing to guys with huge separation and him just throwing it up to them.

Stafford on the other hand I've seen him make all those throws.

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?swf...%3Cparam&hl=en


Courtesy of MIAdragon, he looks like he has a sufficient arm to me

I've watched this video, it's on the first page of this thread...where is he making any NFL throws, 95% of the stuff is him throwing to guys that have a full body length of separation of not more.

For Oklahoma having as good of line that have he sure he got hit alot. Made some big plays while getting nailed as well.

I think you should watch all those videos I posted and tell me which guy makes more NFL throws.

I've never questioned Stafford's arm one bit. Stafford has this month to prove how good a QB he really is. Starting with Bama this week and ending with Florida in the Cocktail Party. If Georgia is undefeated through this stretch my opinion might change of Stafford.

Mustain isn't even the 2nd QB on the SC depth chart and with #1 recruit Matt Barkley committed he may never even play.

interesting, I thought I read that there was a heated QB competition between him and Sanchez which came down to the wire.

It was actually between all 3 QB's and when push came to shove Mustain ended up 3rd as he was beaten out by Aaron Corp.

Alright, I assume ESPN got their info messed up, that's cool.

Just for the record since I doubt anyone knows much about Corp, 4 star recruit that was the California high school player of the year while he and Jimmy Clausen were both seniors in the state...some people felt even though Clausen was rated as the #1 player by scouting services that Corp was a better player.

Not trying to be a contrarian, but Phillip Rivers went pretty high and he's got a puss-arm.

You can always pick and choose videos you want to be shown. Are we that dumb?