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Frosty 02-24-2009 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadMagic (Post 5522211)

Thank you, sir.

Chiefnj2 02-24-2009 10:42 AM

From a statistics/combine point of view Lawrence Sidbury seems like an interesting prospect at DE.

6'2" 266lbs 4.64 (40), 35+ inch arms, 28 reps, improved each year in college putting up 11.5 sacks and 20TFL his senior year.

Anyone ever see him play at Richmond?

The Franchise 02-24-2009 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5522296)
From a statistics/combine point of view Lawrence Sidbury seems like an interesting prospect at DE.

6'2" 266lbs 4.64 (40), 35+ inch arms, 28 reps, improved each year in college putting up 11.5 sacks and 20TFL his senior year.

Anyone ever see him play at Richmond?

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Follow #2

Nice spin move at :54

The Franchise 02-24-2009 11:01 AM

Lawrence Sidbury, Richmond
Height: 6-4. Weight: 251.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
Combine 40 Time: 4.64.
Benchx225: . Vertical: 35.
Projected Round (2009): 3-4.
2/24/09: Even unofficially (the official times are obviously screwed up), Lawrence Sidbury ran one of the quickest 40s at the 2009 NFL Combine. He really helped himself on a day in which numerous defensive linemen disappointed.

1/9/09: An All-CAA First Team member, Lawrence Sidbury had 14.5 TFL and 6.5 sacks for national champion Richmond.

5/7/08: Lawrence Sidbury should be able to play in any scheme. He had eight tackles for loss and 4.5 sacks in 13 starts last season.

Chiefnj2 02-24-2009 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5522342)

Follow #2

Nice spin move at :54

Compared to his other linemen he is quick off the snap. 3 sacks and some additional pressures in their championship game is pretty good.

doomy3 02-24-2009 11:23 AM

Malcolm Jenkins is going to fall down some draft boards after his 4.6 40

philfree 02-24-2009 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5522442)
Malcolm Jenkins is going to fall down some draft boards after his 4.6 40

No way! He's got positional value and supercedes everything.


PhilFree:arrow:

doomy3 02-24-2009 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5522458)
No way! He's got positional value and supercedes everything.


PhilFree:arrow:

Funny thing about that is that he doesn't have positional value unlike what those guys have said. One CB drafted in the top 3 in the HISTORY of the NFL doesn't mean a CB is worth that pick. That's why it's funny to hear that argument against Curry.

philfree 02-24-2009 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5522468)
Funny thing about that is that he doesn't have positional value unlike what those guys have said. One CB drafted in the top 3 in the HISTORY of the NFL doesn't mean a CB is worth that pick. That's why it's funny to hear that argument against Curry.

I know but I couldn't help my self.


PhilFree:arrow:

Basileus777 02-24-2009 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5522442)
Malcolm Jenkins is going to fall down some draft boards after his 4.6 40

Doesn't surprise me at all. I've always thought he was a better prospect at safety than at corner.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-24-2009 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5522442)
Malcolm Jenkins is going to fall down some draft boards after his 4.6 40

You're a ****ing dumbass.

If he ran a 4.45 and had a good day in drills, with his production, experience, and head, he'd be a shutdown corner.

No one on here is saying that ****ing Rhett Bomar is a top 15 pick because he's a QB.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-24-2009 12:30 PM

FWIW, Willy Mo ran an unofficial 4.53. That's a good time for him.

doomy3 02-24-2009 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5522727)
You're a ****ing dumbass.

If he ran a 4.45 and had a good day in drills, with his production, experience, and head, he'd be a shutdown corner.

No one on here is saying that ****ing Rhett Bomar is a top 15 pick because he's a QB.

:spock:

Is your post actually supposed to mean something? Honestly, I have no idea how to even respond to this as there is no sense in it at all.

Jenkins ran a 4.6 and looked stiff in drills. Are you saying he won't fall down boards?

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-24-2009 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5522740)
:spock:

Is your post actually supposed to mean something? Honestly, I have no idea how to even respond to this as there is no sense in it at all.

Jenkins ran a 4.6 and looked stiff in drills. Are you saying he won't fall down boards?

Of course he's going to fall down boards.

I'm not the dumbass ventriloquizing others by saying that he won't because of positional value.

If you want to use a strawman, then shove it up your ass. It will probably help with the hemorrhoids.

philfree 02-24-2009 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5522727)
You're a ****ing dumbass.

If he ran a 4.45 and had a good day in drills, with his production, experience, and head, he'd be a shutdown corner.

No one on here is saying that ****ing Rhett Bomar is a top 15 pick because he's a QB.

You don't think his 40 time will effect his draft status? When I watch him play he looks like a S to me. I've read more then one place that if his 40s aren't fast teams will view him as a S prospect. As a CB he was being valued as a top 10 but as a S I bet he's not. I could be wrong I guess but I don't think so.


PhilFree:arrow:

doomy3 02-24-2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5522754)
Of course he's going to fall down boards.

I'm not the dumbass ventriloquizing others by saying that he won't because of positional value.

If you want to use a strawman, then shove it up your ass. It will probably help with the hemorrhoids.


Actually, I didn't say shit about positional value. It is ironic to see Curry get knocked out of the top 3 because of positional value, but that doesn't seem to matter with Jenkins for some reason.

Maybe it's time you take another Xanax and chill the **** out.

The Franchise 02-24-2009 12:43 PM

So my two questions are:

1. With the combine performance that Conner Barwin put in this year.....is he worth a 2nd round pick?

2. Would he better suited for a 3-4 OLB in the NFL or a 4-3 DE? I know he stated that he thinks his position is an OLB...but he's never played it.

doomy3 02-24-2009 01:22 PM

Corners didn't run very fast times across the board today. A little underwhelming.

BigChiefFan 02-24-2009 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5522758)
You don't think his 40 time will effect his draft status? When I watch him play he looks like a S to me. I've read more then one place that if his 40s aren't fast teams will view him as a S prospect. As a CB he was being valued as a top 10 but as a S I bet he's not. I could be wrong I guess but I don't think so.


PhilFree:arrow:

I heard Bellichek the other day, say he believed safeties have become more like corners than LBers, than like in the past. He said they are asked to cover WRs and TEs alot more and that they should have skills more similiar to corners than LBers. I think it's true and has been for some time, but had not realized than many other teams had still been looking for LBer type safties to fill their needs. I was blown away, at how many teams are still living in the stone ages.

philfree 02-24-2009 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5523035)
I heard Bellichek the other day, say he believed safeties have become more like corners than LBers, than like in the past. He said they are asked to cover WRs and TEs alot more and that they should have skills more similiar to corners than LBers. I think it's true and has been for some time, but had not realized than many other teams had still been looking for LBer type safties to fill their needs. I was blown away, at how many teams are still living in the stone ages.

I think I heard the same thing.


PhilFree:arrow:

BigChiefFan 02-24-2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5523047)
I think I heard the same thing.


PhilFree:arrow:

Who's your top pick for us?

philfree 02-24-2009 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5523056)
Who's your top pick for us?

Stafford. I realize that he may not be available so I'd be good with Sanchez but if we don't go QB I'm inclined to go D with Curry or Raji and I might even reach for a DE like E. Brown. Wasn't Richard Seymour a reach when the Patriots picked him?


PhilFree:arrow:

bdeg 02-24-2009 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5523084)
Stafford. I realize that he may not be available so I'd be good with Sanchez but if we don't go QB I'm inclined to go D with Curry or Raji and I might even reach for a DE like E. Brown. Wasn't Richard Seymour a reach when the Patriots picked him?


PhilFree:arrow:

How is Brown a reach when Raji isn't?

bowener 02-24-2009 02:01 PM

Im not trying to get off topic, I was just wanting to state that I am quite impressed with Ellison (SS-USC) putting up 32 bench reps, and 2 corners having 43" verticals or higher (45" for washington). I am in no way saying we should draft any of these players, I just thought they have exceptional numbers in a combine that seems to be rather short on any exceptional numbers this year.

Does anyone know if they are using a new system of timing for the 40? It seems last year there were players from all positions (not the OL/DL) that were running sub 4.3's and sub 4.4's easily. Maybe I am just hallucinating or something.

bowener 02-24-2009 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg (Post 5523094)
How is Brown a reach when Raji isn't?

I am by far not an expert, but if Brown is slated to play a DE in a 43, it seems rather high to select him. He doesnt show that he can be a Mario Williams type of player. Raji may not be, but he seems to have the potential to be a game changer at NT for a 34 team (also a position that is much harder to find).

If Brown was to play OLB, he is not better than Curry, and it is hard to make an argument that Curry is worthy of the top 3-5.

bowener 02-24-2009 02:07 PM

Did anyone check out Gil Brandt's side notes in the combine articles this week?

I am sorry if it was brought up, but at the bottom of this page it shows you what coaches look for from each position at the combine, benchmarks for their drills.

BigChiefFan 02-24-2009 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5523084)
Stafford. I realize that he may not be available so I'd be good with Sanchez but if we don't go QB I'm inclined to go D with Curry or Raji and I might even reach for a DE like E. Brown. Wasn't Richard Seymour a reach when the Patriots picked him?


PhilFree:arrow:

I want the franchise QB, as well, but I'm really torn if Stafford should go before we pick. I think Sanchez' limited playing time, will scare teams away, especially with top 5 money.

MIAdragon 02-24-2009 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5523084)
Stafford. I realize that he may not be available so I'd be good with Sanchez but if we don't go QB I'm inclined to go D with Curry or Raji and I might even reach for a DE like E. Brown. Wasn't Richard Seymour a reach when the Patriots picked him?


PhilFree:arrow:

Seymour was picked at 6 when most mocks had him at worst going at 10 so I dont think so.

bdeg 02-24-2009 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 5523103)
I am by far not an expert, but if Brown is slated to play a DE in a 43, it seems rather high to select him. He doesnt show that he can be a Mario Williams type of player. Raji may not be, but he seems to have the potential to be a game changer at NT for a 34 team (also a position that is much harder to find).

If Brown was to play OLB, he is not better than Curry, and it is hard to make an argument that Curry is worthy of the top 3-5.

They really shouldn't be compared. Brown is a 3-4 olb with polished pass rushing moves whereas Curry has none.

My point was that before seniorbowl week, going off just the season, Brown was seen around 10-15, Raji closer to the 20s.

And yes, if we don't like a QB then it will seem like a high place to take whoever we do take. There's not good value, no way around that. I just don't think Raji is the answer.

philfree 02-24-2009 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon (Post 5523170)
Seymour was picked at 6 when most mocks had him at worst going at 10 so I dont think so.

That's not completely different. Brown is a top 15 and he's prone to move up. So it would be a little more of a reach but just a little more.

PhilFree:arrow:

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-24-2009 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5522761)
Actually, I didn't say shit about positional value. It is ironic to see Curry get knocked out of the top 3 because of positional value, but that doesn't seem to matter with Jenkins for some reason.

Maybe it's time you take another Xanax and chill the **** out.

JoPo wrote an article some time back about the most important positions on a football team. He said every team needed to have a majority of the following to have a good shot

Quarterback
Left Tackle
RDE
Shut Down Corner
Wide Receiver
Running back

Nowhere on that list did I see strong side 4-3 linebacker with no ability to rush the passer.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-24-2009 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5522774)
So my two questions are:

1. With the combine performance that Conner Barwin put in this year.....is he worth a 2nd round pick?

2. Would he better suited for a 3-4 OLB in the NFL or a 4-3 DE? I know he stated that he thinks his position is an OLB...but he's never played it.

1. Yes
2. Either/or. His frame isn't even maxed out. He has amazing speed and explosiveness (redonkulous vertical). He had great production for the one year he played the position, and he seems really coachable.

I don't know how you couldn't love this guy. He'll probably get his ass stomped the first year against the run, but he brings so much raw pass rushing ability it's more than worth it.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-24-2009 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 5523096)
Im not trying to get off topic, I was just wanting to state that I am quite impressed with Ellison (SS-USC) putting up 32 bench reps, and 2 corners having 43" verticals or higher (45" for washington). I am in no way saying we should draft any of these players, I just thought they have exceptional numbers in a combine that seems to be rather short on any exceptional numbers this year.

Does anyone know if they are using a new system of timing for the 40? It seems last year there were players from all positions (not the OL/DL) that were running sub 4.3's and sub 4.4's easily. Maybe I am just hallucinating or something.

It's a new stadium. Personally, I think that turf looks spongy in comparison to other FTs around the league. It's not a good RB or corner class, but those times were just awful. There is no way there isn't a corner or RB in this draft who can't run below a 4.45

doomy3 02-24-2009 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5523315)
JoPo wrote an article some time back about the most important positions on a football team. He said every team needed to have a majority of the following to have a good shot

Quarterback
Left Tackle
RDE
Shut Down Corner
Wide Receiver
Running back

Nowhere on that list did I see strong side 4-3 linebacker with no ability to rush the passer.


So because JoPo wrote it, he suddenly has some sort of credence here?

I would say the Patriots have proven that theory wrong as they just recycle corners. Who was the Steelers shut down corner?

All offseason, all we've heard about is how no one drafts LB's in the top 3. Then, that argument should hold for a position, CB, which only has one CB picked that high in history.

doomy3 02-24-2009 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5523347)
It's a new stadium. Personally, I think that turf looks spongy in comparison to other FTs around the league. It's not a good RB or corner class, but those times were just awful. There is no way there isn't a corner or RB in this draft who can't run below a 4.45

It will be interesting to see how the times differ at the pro days.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-24-2009 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5523349)
So because JoPo wrote it, he suddenly has some sort of credence here?

I would say the Patriots have proven that theory wrong as they just recycle corners. Who was the Steelers shut down corner?

All offseason, all we've heard about is how no one drafts LB's in the top 3. Then, that argument should hold for a position, CB, which only has one CB picked that high in history.

And the Pats have a franchise QB, a #1 WR (Branch or Moss) a Pro Bowl LT, and multiple edge rushers, hence the word "majority" and not "universality".

Steelers:

Franchise QB, multiple edge rushers, #1 WR.

doomy3 02-24-2009 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5523357)
And the Pats have a franchise QB, a #1 WR (Branch or Moss) a Pro Bowl LT, and multiple edge rushers, hence the word "majority" and not "universality".

Steelers:

Franchise QB, multiple edge rushers, #1 WR.

I understand this now. Although, I think it is questionable to say the Patriots have multiple edge rushers. My point is, IMO, corner is being way overvalued as a #3 pick option when it really holds about the same value as LB does.

I agree that QB, LT, DE (pass rusher), DT would all hold higher values though. The question is if there is one of those that is good enough for the #3 pick, other than LT, which we don't need.

warrior 02-24-2009 04:07 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u79CJdrxZbo

Connor Barwin Highlights

The Franchise 02-24-2009 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by warrior (Post 5523503)

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DeezNutz 02-24-2009 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5523379)
IMO, corner is being way overvalued as a #3 pick option when it really holds about the same value as LB does.

First, I'm not on board with Jenkins as the pick, which is all but moo now because of his 40 time.

However, I disagree about the value. It's harder to find the type of freakish athlete who possesses the necessary speed to be a true shutdown corner, which is not to be confused with a True Fan. Not the same thing.

If a Sanders-level prospect were in this draft, it would be a no-brainer with the QB's off the board. Of course, that's a bullshit statement, but you know what I mean.

Pitt Gorilla 02-24-2009 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5516623)
Seriously? Wow, I didn't think he had the mass to do that well. Good for him.

Ziggy ran a decent 40 as well.

BigChiefFan 02-24-2009 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 5523609)
Ziggy ran a decent 40 as well.

He's had a good combine. I think he goes in the 3rd-4th round range.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-24-2009 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5523621)
He's had a good combine. I think he goes in the 3rd-4th round range.

He's making a case for himself as the #1 3 Tech in the draft with Jerry out. He'll go earlier than that.

BigChiefFan 02-24-2009 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5523629)
He's making a case for himself as the #1 3 Tech in the draft with Jerry out. He'll go earlier than that.

You think so? I never had Jerry as a 3-4 guy, but I still have him going before Zigmeister.

bdeg 02-24-2009 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan (Post 5523776)
You think so? I never had Jerry as a 3-4 guy, but I still have him going before Zigmeister.

3 technique is the pass-rushing tackle who plays outside of the guard in the 4-3 scheme.

Coach 02-25-2009 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5523315)
JoPo wrote an article some time back about the most important positions on a football team. He said every team needed to have a majority of the following to have a good shot

Quarterback
Left Tackle
RDE
Shut Down Corner
Wide Receiver
Running back

Nowhere on that list did I see strong side 4-3 linebacker with no ability to rush the passer.

Personally, I would replace RB with either a DT or a OL, one or the other, since I strongly feel that everything starts upfront one way or another.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-25-2009 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach (Post 5524972)
Personally, I would replace RB with either a DT or a OL, one or the other, since I strongly feel that everything starts upfront one way or another.

I'd put a DT who can either collapse the pocket or shut down the run in there.

Running backs are a dime a dozen. Just toss them into the breach until they wear out, and go get another great athlete.

BigChiefFan 02-25-2009 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5524979)
I'd put a DT who can either collapse the pocket or shut down the run in there.

Running backs are a dime a dozen. Just toss them into the breach until they wear out, and go get another great athlete.

I rate DTS very high as well. A great one, makes EVERYBODY'S job easier.


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