We'll see. I think a lot depends on how Chris Williams looks this season at LT, and their line is still pretty weak. Forte is a stud, but Cutler is throwing to Brandon Lloyd and who knows who else now. Not exactly Marshall and Royal.

Spider thinks the Orton acquisition is "cool."

Great, the only people that think I come off that way are the reeruns I talk to that way, you post like a moron I'll talk to you like you are a moron.

:shake: Cutler is lacking zero physical tools. He needs to get his head screwed on straight, but if he ever does the guy is gonna be a total stud. Stafford/Sanchez haven't played a down, you have no basis for saying that.

Yea it was, Cutler is a good qb, but for that price is clearly raped, hopefully the Bears end up bein the winner and the broncos are the losers.

The will try to take Sanchez, hopefully he is a flop !!! Gotta love it.

You do realize this all happened thanks to bernard Pollard !

Now Roy and Como have both talked about Sanchez being a flop...he's now destined for the HOF and several bowls.

Mecca, you are the benchmark for NFL fan intelligence and people do not express this stone-cold fact enough in their daily affirmations.
:fire:

The Bears also just signed Orlando Pace.

Mostly a bunch of crying and carrying-on and threat-making by fans of the Denver Cutlers.

I'm a Broncos fan and I can't stand the Mane anymore. It's turned into a cesspool of whiny jerks who reiterate their same nonsense opinions in every thread and generally act like spoiled 2-year-olds.

So yeah.

and if the Broncos don't want to move up and take Sanchez at #3 then I think it is the Chiefs duty to draft Sanchez and hold him hostage...if Denver doesn't want to work out a deal with KC then Sanchez and Cassel can fight it out on our roster the next few years and we can be compensated down the line for the one who loses out...

Let Denver have all those picks...they are going to need a QB and the more late 1sts they waste on guys like Josh Freeman the better.

Nah, it's Dwayne Bowe's fault. If he hadn't dropped that onside kick the Broncos would have made the playoffs and Shanahan would have kept his job.

ESPN's Michael Smith reports the Bears have agreed to terms with OT Orlando Pace.

A busy day at Bears headquarters, as they now have added protection for their new franchise quarterback. Pace is slated to start at left tackle, with Chris Williams moving to right tackle and Kevin Shaffer now a swingman.

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You post in run-on sentences and I'll post to you in run-on sentences like this run-on sentence right here.

Wow... Two new Tackles and Cutler?
That offense just got an extreme makeover.

You mean people like Denver's head coach?

You mean Orlando Pace, don't you?

how much did they have to pay him??? If he can stay healthy that's a solid signing for them

Weird. Sounds a lot like Chiefs Planet.

I'm not trying to win a grammar award on the forum.

Welcome to your new home. The only thing left is your eventual conversion from the dark side.

Then don't wear your badge of 'intelligence' so prominently.

Bears fans are pretty stoked...that's for sure. You should see the Facebook statuses I'm seeing.

They're convinced that Bill Belicheck, the nicest coach in the history of football just hooked up his ole homeboy Scott to the P-I-Oli with the deal of the century. They easily could've fleeced any other team in the league for 5 1st rounders.

If I am the Bears I go out and sign Torry Holt.

That wasn't exactly what I was talking about. I mean more on the lines of understanding the game of football. Hell half our forum doesn't even understand positional value.

*Starts home run trot*

That wasn't out when I posted that. Yeah, Pace changes things a bit. What will they do with Chris Williams now? Did they draft him in the first last year to play RT?

ROFL

You're having a shitty offseason aren't you, I know you didn't want Haley...not sure on Cassel either way with what you thought of that.

wow this trade was not what i expected.

The Ramsification of the Bears continues.

Yep. They need help there.

Nah. Good teams would never slide a high draft choice to RT to make way for a deluxe LT. I've read that a million times on ChiefsPlanet.

You know what? In all honesty...good. For many years we had this coach that was supposed to be an Offensive guru. A "mastermind" on that side of the ball. I kept thinking that if you are in charge of an organization and you have a dominant skill then you spend your resources where you are weak. You aggressively go after the best coaching and the best players you can on Defense. Then you use your skill to develop players on O that wouldn't be as productive on other teams.

But I watched my team spend valuable resources on the Offense while the D wasted away. Sure. We traded Portis for Bailey. We got rid of a RB that wasn't going to play for us anyway so we could make a superstar CB lead our team in tackles. Woop dee ****ing doo. A few years later Champ is banged up and gun shy from trying to cover for a shitty line and an eroded LB corps.

So...I'm waiting. IF the new regime uses these new picks to fix the D and polishes one of our turd QB's enough to make him competent...then I'm happy. Frankly I'm sick of the _enver _onkey _efense.

Had Chris Williams had the season Branden Albert had last year, the Bears don't bother signing Orlando Pace.

WOW! Denver didn't get robbed though, 2 first rounders and Orton. Here's to Denver drafting 2 busts!

Yeah, that's why I'm so confused about this. I thought everyone signed all the line spots besides LT in rounds 3-7.

Pace doesn't have much left. Signing him doesn't mean that Williams is being consigned to RT for the rest of his career.

I really wish the Chiefs signed Kevin Schaffer.

What's the problem with playing Williams at RT? He'll be a badass RT...Pace is only going to be a Bear for 1 or 2 years...you put Pace at LT...if he gets hurt you have depth with Schaeffer...Pace is a low risk/high reward signing especially with the OT depth the Bears now have.

SO in your estimation deion branch is 4x the receiver randy moss is?

and the Bears also have Frank Omiyale who plays OG and OT...they have a shit ton of depth on their line now with guys who can play multiple positions.

Forte/Cutler...shit, trade the rest of their draft for Chad Johnson and they are set LMAO

It IS a great deal for the Bears.

They didn't like Kyle Orton. Gone.

They likely wouldn't have been able to draft a QB like Cutler with their 2009 pick.

So in essence, all they really gave up was a 2010 pick for supposedly one of the best young QB's in the game.

But wasn't Williams' strength his feet and athleticism last year? Seems like all the talk was that he was an ideal pass blocking LT that wasn't a physical mauler. If that's the case, why would he be a badass RT?

If I am remembering last year's assessment on him incorrectly, I apologize in advance.

Trading a lot for Cutler makes a lot more sense than trading a lot for Cassel...

The Pats had to get Cassel off of their books in order to make all of the great signings they made...

I don't care either way...Cassel isn't a prima donna, he's a student of the game and he'll do anything for his team...I love the fact he's a Chief...and that we only had to give up #34 for him.

The draft and the season need to occur before we will truly know who got the better of this deal.

Chicago just landed a franchise QB around whom they can build.
Now who is going to be Cutler's B-Marshall and E. Royal?

Cutler gets to play for the team he rooted for as a kid.

Denver and McKid just lost a young gunslinger franchise QB. Word in the local paper is that McKid doesn't want a first round draft pick QB, that he values the Brady/Cassell hard-worker, low pick (6th, 7th round) game manager QB.

One thing I know: no matter whose side you take, one month after McKid got here Cutler is gone, our locker room favorite/long snapper has been cut and replaced by the NE long snapper for no reason other than McKid likes him and there is a whole room full of free agents who signed with McKid's promise that they are in win-now mode.
The boy who would be coach had better get busy winning quick or the calls for his head will come loud and often.

If Earl Bennett turns into anything, they're looking pretty good.

Olsen at TE?

Forte?

Solid OL?

Well I guess I don't know...but the Bears have crazy depth on their offensive line now...

Solomon Wilcots said that this is the worst 1st 60 days of a new HC's administration in the history of the league...

LMAO.

Olson is a solid receiving TE...but Desmond Clark is really underrated in that regard, too.

I'm not sure if they resigned Lloyd or not, but Booker was pretty decent last year, or decent enough...they are pretty weak at WR but maybe a good QB will do wonders for their mediocre receivers?

I tell you what...I still think Devin Hester has the ability to be Steve Smith light...probably not as good as Steve Smith but I think he can be a productive NFL receiver...the dude might not be the brightest but he's a football player through and through.

The Bears could get lucky and have a WR drop into the 2nd round, WR is one of the deep positions in this years draft.

If Kyle ****ing Orton can throw for 3,000 yards with that crew, they aren't THAT bad.

You underestimate the power of the pube beard!

Neck beard, FTW!

Living in Chicago, I have Bears games forced down my throat consistently...

Kyle Orton really isn't THAT bad...he has a plus arm and a pretty good head on his shoulders. He is injury prone, though.

He's no Jay Cutler...but he'll have a pretty long NFL career as a stopgap or backup.

and wes welker is 2x the WR that randy moss is

Good deal for the Bears and it appears they just signed Pace to help protect him

810 is totally cracking me up, "They gave up this for Cutler and we got Cassel for a 2nd ha!'

I think I enjoyed their spiel about how Cutler sucks earlier more...

Are you really this dumb or are you just playing dumb?

hey i just made the EXACT same comparison of a trade you did right?

Yea, you defeat YOURSELF with this logic.

Think about it: Randy Moss' character issues made him worth substantially less than an unknown Wes Welker. Cutler, DESPITE his "character issues," is worth substantially more than Cassel. Way to go, champ. You are the king of logic.

Yep

ok go back to deion branch being 4x the wr moss its same thingROFL

You are still an epic douche, but grats on the pic placement..

I don't know the facts upon which he bases that statement but I have absolutely no reason to argue with him.

How long before Brandon Marshall demands a trade?

is marshall injured? hip or something???

Mecca, you don't think we got a good deal for Cassel?

It's much easier to pay a lot for Cutler...cheap contract, more proven, better intangibles...

But would you give up two 1sts, a 3rd, and a serviceable QB for Cutler or #34 for Cassel/Vrabel and still have the ability to hold a team like Denver hostage because of Sanchez being available at #3?

B-Marsh just came off of hip surgery and is facing a big suspension from the Commish.
His ass will remain silent and grateful that he still draws NFL $.

20 qbs could have done better in cassel's place last year/mecca

He just got back from Vail where he had hip surgery.

On the surface or with my personal opinion of Matt Cassel involved...

It was a joke.

But I would be pissed - his numbers are going to plummet.

If Denver wants Sanchez, the Chiefs have the ability to land all of those picks...

Cutler for Sanchez could be an even deal...but Cutler is proven and Sanchez is not...

Either way, Denver NEEDS Sanchez, so we'll see.

i've got an honest question mecca, yesterday you said the stafford/sanchez were better physically than cassel. stafford i can see but what about sanchez screams that he is or even will be physically better?

But 'Hamas' is a jackass for drafting Sanchez in the CP mock!!

If he wasn't in trouble you could be perfectly correct: he might want out. You don't get to be one of the top WRs in the league without someone who throws you the ball all over the field.

What would Denver have to give KC to move up to #3?

Mayock is such a ****stick.

Now, he's on NFLN talking about the Cutler trade, and saying that Sanchez could step in Day One and start for Denver, and that they must do everything possible to jump up and get him.

Didn't he just say a month or so ago that Sanchez isn't ready?

12 and 18.

Worth 2150 points.

Our pick is worth 2200.