BS... when he cashes his paycheck, his end of the deal is that he is supposed to be totally committed to the Kansas City Chiefs winning the super bowl. No part of that includes crying to the media about wanting to be traded.

If he wants to be traded, walk into Pioli's office and ask for it. It's team business. Deal with it in-house instead of in the media.

Gonzo could really help Cassel as his go to guy. The proper use of a 2nd round pick could help too but Pioli, Haley and Co. gonna want to win every game they can. That being the case I can see keeping Gonzo.


PhilFree:arrow:

So you think he should be satisfied with the way the team around him has performed over his career? Just sit quietly and pretend 0 playoff wins is befitting of his ambition and talent?

BTW, I realise well that Pioli "has the right". And that a 2nd round pick could be a much more valuable asset than an aging TE (but the odds are very debatable). But Tony is not the problem with the Chiefs.

This.

If he wanted to play for a contender, he shouldn't have signed the contract.

Except he realized there was no way he was going to get that kind of money on the open market.

Even with that said, if you're that ****ing unhappy here, be a man and take it up with the boss directly, instead of having the media fight your battles for you.

He has been in the media saying this at least separate 3 times now IIRC.

Yep. You can't cry wolf to the fans forever and expect it to hold up. As I said, I have defended and defended and defended this guy; no more.

Stay or go, but wherever you go, shut the **** up and do your job.

Gonzo has earned the right to be paid like the greatest TE of all time, to be respected by teammates and opponents, and to give a speech in front of his own bust in a few years.

Aside from this, which is unbelievably huge, he hasn't earned shit. Bitching to the media isn't part of the deal.

Perhaps not and perhaps yes. If he's constantly bitching in public there is no telling how he acts behind closed doors.

I don't really give a toss how he deals with trade requests or the media. He has probably had 50,000 interviews over the years and he has said very very few things that can be held against him. He is totally committed to the Chiefs when the ball is in the air and that is what matters.

A 2nd for pretty much any player that's 34 is a good move. For a TE it's a great move.

If we were going to be starting a rookie QB this year I might consider keeping him, keyword might.

Herm? Carl? Is that you?:D

I would like to have good WR's we just have never had 2 good ones at the same time. Alot of that probably has to do with the fact they considered Tony better than most WR's out there so they tried to fill the WR with complimentary players.

Also I would probably be for this trade if Tony was coming off a shitty season but he had one of his best seasons ever and still plays at an HOF level.

Norwood and Jamaal Charles are the same player, you dumb sonofabitch.

The Chiefs might actually strongly consider this deal..they dont have their 2nd round pick and Haleys offense isnt real big on the TE position..I dont see him leaving KC tho

especially for #55 overall with ATL. Gonzo doesn't wanna be with this 9-7 team.

1. Should he stay quiet? Yes. He needs to respect the chain of command and keep his mouth shut. The inmates should not be able to run the asylum.

2. Tony is not the problem with the Chiefs? Um... yes he is. He represents everything that is wrong with this franchise. 0-3 in playoff situations. Prima donna attitude. This sense of immortality. Player loyalty. We have won jack shit with Tony. He is old culture. The only way to change the culture of a franchise is to get rid of the losers of the previous culture.

If the Colts can let Marvin Harrison go, then the Chiefs can sure as hell get rid of Tony.

Win-win for us.

big difference. our TE situation much better than route runner Marvin. Gonzo is to Chiefs much more of a play maker.

For those saying TG doesn't fit Haley's offensive scheme...His scheme is built around his players, and will feature whatever talent he has. If its two WR's like Bolden and Fitzgerald, then Haley will scheme with that in mind. If your talent lies within Bowe and TG, then you can BET Haley will be scheming around them.

To say that Gonzalez should be traded for a lousy late second round pick because "Haley's offense doesn't use the TE" is ridiculous. If that were true, he should be fired right now. Haley WILL USE GONZALEZ...PERIOD.
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Cottam is injury prone & he runs so upright, I'll be shocked if he makes it through one season without missing games let alone 10 years.

Haley's scheme is built around players, just like our talent suggests we should move to a 3-4.

That'a bit much, and not exactly the most factual statement I've ever read. I don't have any problem trading him, but 55 just seems like a very weak deal.

Now, if someone were to produce a list of players taken between 52 and 57 in the last 10 years and the overall output was good, I might warm up to the deal.

Ouch! Don't hurt 'em Hammer! ROFL

If he had just had a shitty season you wouldn't be getting offered a 2nd round pick...

You do understand that if they're offering a 2nd that's the same thing Jason Taylor went for? Think about that...

I know this market gets attached to guys like Gonzalez since it's all we got since they never win anything.

Jason Jones, Titans
Eric Wright, Browns
Greg Jennings, Packers
Devin Hester, Bears
Darrent Williams, Broncos
Roscoe Parrish, Bills
Michael Boulware, Seahawks
Antwan Odam, Titans
Anquan Boldin, Cardinals
Osi Umenyiora, Giants
Clinton Portis, Broncos (51)
Chris Chambers, Dolphins


To name a few.

English please.

He is a 34 year old play maker at the end of his career.

I would take the 2nd in a heart beat. From there we at least have a shot at filling major gaps with players like:

"ZIGGY" HOOD, DE, MISSOURI
DUKE ROBINSON, OL, OKLAHOMA
JAMON MEREDITH, OT, SOUTH CAROLINA
DERRICK WILLIAMS, WR/KR, PENN ST.

Cottam will be just fine at TE as our starter.

You're never going to convince some...

There are some that would like us to run Gonzalez out there at 45 just because he deserves to retire a Chief.

Well, that's a better record than the Chiefs #2 over the last ten years.
(Sigh)..."THE DEAL IS DONE"! :D

Off ya' go, Buckaroo!

Stupid. Incredibly so. I remember reading of the perils of Big Tobacco. It seems to pale in comparison to the perils of "Gigantic Tard".

I was thinking the same thing.

History could bode well for us here. But I can't see TG in anything but that Red and Gold.

Are you trying to compare Taylor to Tony?

And I fully admit I am attached to Tony he is probably my favorite current Chief.

Why trade him, he can help win plus school the young guns ....

Help win what?

Another 10 games over his last 2 years?

School the young guns how?

By showing them that they can bitch and moan through the media if they perform on the field?

Damn, I hope they offer that deal.

I lollaraarrrad.

Yea I am considering the value of an end is so much higher than that of a TE.

"Yea though I walk through the Valley of the True Fan, I shall fear no evil".;)

omg you have nicknames for one another?

JFC

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"Bring that one backstage, he's cute".
( and thus the CP mack daddy known as "Hootie" was born )

I still want to know why people think Tony Gonzalez is a team leader.

Does he even spend any time in KC outside of the season? It's not a big deal to me personally, I'm just somewhat curious.

I've heard Dwaye Bowe talk about how he's learned from TG and TG's work ethic. I'm pretty sure some of the other young receivers have mentioned it also. Of course, his mini soap opera with the trade issue hasn't helped his cause.

He's missed what...1 game in his entire career?

Leaves it all the field every Sunday...

How is that not being a team leader?

You ever see him bitching at coaches on the sideline? Or teammates?

Some of you are just quick to point out anything about Tony Gonzalez that paints him in a negative light because he's so skilled at his craft and it makes the mecca's of the world (who live in their parents' basement) very jealous and insecure.

This.

Excuse me, I don't think Mr I rape my ex girlfriend and take videos of my roommates penis has any place to ever talk shit on me. And really parents basement jokes are pretty old on the net, that's the first thing anyone goes to for anyone. Are you to drunk to think of good lines?

And just because you show up everyday and are good at what you do does not make you a team leader.

Dude, I'm sick and ****ing tired of hearing "I wanna' trade" / "I wanna' leave" from the mouth of Tony Gonzales with such blatant repetition.

Go! Get The **** OUT!

What the ****?

I've seen him bitch at Bowe for bringing his defender into Tony's area even when Bowe caught a TD.

I just don't personally see Tony Gonzalez as a leader. He's a great player and does and all that but I don't see him as a big vocal team guy that is a leader. I've never seen him that way he doesn't strike me that way with his personality either.

Being a great player HOF caliber player does not mean you are a team leader it just means you're a great player. They aren't the same thing.

I moved away from home when I was 18...like most normal people. If you're 25 and still being claimed as a dependent...(fill in the blanks)

You missed that thread eh? I'm sure you can find it...

Eh..Hootie just stated in a thread he likes getting his ex incredibly drunk to the point of barely being able to walk, then try and get him some..

I dunno if it's really rape, because there is the familiarity factor..but that's where he got that from.

Oh shit.

Burn ward, son.

Tony's the greatest TE ever! Bar none. He's the most consistent of anybody on our team for years. But just curious, how many years...offseasons have we heard the same junk from him. I don't think he's a bad guy. But he hasn't wanted to be here for years it seems to me. People wearing his jerseys in the stadius, applauding him continually, bragging about him continually. He's got the Ring Chaser syndrome. Trade him. Get a young gun out of him. whatever.

Mecca and Claythan are pretty similar.

You guys are ****ing idiots.

Apparently, none of you have ever been drunk before and have had sex...apparently two drunk people having sex is some unheard of phenomenon around here (which makes sense for Mecca, the 40 year looking man living in his parent's basement...)

I'm sure many people in life are aspiring to be alcoholics that drunk rape their exes then smash plates on their roommates head "because it's funny" while they stare at other guys penises all the time..

Great life Hootie is leading there.

Yeah, Tony can go..I mean, maybe a guy like Robiskie will be there at 55, I know he's not a burner but he's a pretty solid WR.

So we could grab another WR, and we have Cottam waiting in the wings to take Tony's spot. It wouldn't kill me to see him go, and I'm as big of a Tony fan as anyone.

Why don't you guys go start a basement living, ex-girlfriend whatever thread of your own and just beat each other into oblivion so we don't have to scan this crap to talk about the Chiefs. You know who I'm talking to.

Personally I think the fact that Hootie of all people is talking shit is pretty amusing.

He went for the personal attack first...

I was just explaining it in the context which Mecca took that statement you made.

I'm not gonna go pour over the thread to find what you actually stated, but it somehow was inferred in that thread you were a drunk-rapist, or whatever.

I think the end result of the thread was the conclusion that Hootie is a complete douchebag.

Lets pretend the light you just painted on my current life is really how it is...

I'd take that life 100 times out of 100 when compared to a (I'm not sure, 25-27 year old) dude with terrible grooming habits that is claimed by his parents, lives in their basement, and plays message board GM while jerking it to countless hours off tranny porn and talking about how moronic it is to get drunk blah blah blah (all the while living a life without a job, a girlfriend, etc...)

So really, guy, spare me.

Not really taking a shot at you here Mecca but that is the kind of thing that my elementary school kids say.

When I dated the girl, I'd laugh with my friends the next day because we'd be so drunk that at times it felt like I was raping her.

It was a joke. When she's in the bar grabbing my cock and saying "lets ****", I don't think it can be construed as rape.

I think the way I painted you is more accurate than how you just painted me...but hey think what you wanna think.

Why are you judging my grooming habits? Have you seen that much penis that you now swing that way?

Sure but I don't do that shit unless it's brought to me first...especially by someone as dense as Hootie.

ROFL

Ok... did you post your wang on here or something that he knows about your grooming habits???

WTF have I missed around here?!?!?!

I think there is merit in leading by example, and Gonzo's practice habits are supposed to be outstanding. And I know I've heard reports of him being pissed because Bowe doesn't follow his lead.

Just saying. There's more than one model for how to be a leader, and I do think that Gonzo brings some leadership qualities to the team.

But, again, there's only so much of a leader that I believe a TE or a G can be. Ideally, leadership will stem from the most important positions. But...

LOL, someone didn't inform him that growing out your hair is a style he just thinks it's poor grooming or something.

Hootie likes to be a braggart when discussing these romps or stories of dipshittery, but when he's really pressed on it, (like someone mentioning googling Em-Dawg), his e-sac shrinks like he's teabagging a snowman.

It's been said Mecca's a shoe-in to win a Travis Tritt look-a-like contest, if one were ever to be held.

So..I guess he's got the long-hair/mullet/goatee look.

Pretty much the standard look for 90% of Chiefs fans at Camarohead.

Are you mad that, in real life, people actually LIKE me, I actually PAY rent, I've actually HELD a job (long term), and overall people enjoy my presence (sounds hard to believe)?

I understand that you are, no doubt, a very lonely, very disturbed person (even if you want to play it off like you're not), otherwise you wouldn't be an a grown adult unable to provide for yourself. That's just not how ordinary people operate...most strive to become productive members of society...and while I'm probably not quite there yet, at least I'm on my way.

I think any guy who is a ten-time pro bowler (or whatever) is a leader, whether he intends to be or not. The young players are going to watch what he does and how he handles things.

He was the guy last year who was telling Croyle, "You can eat [fried foods] and play one year or you can watch your diet and play 13 years." I remember Croyle saying something about it, and how Croyle just ate whatever he wanted. [Insert Mrs. Croyle joke here.]

Please it is not a mullet, a mullet is one of the worst haircuts possible.

Just embrace the mullet, man.

I've had bad haircuts. I had a chili-bowl in like 3rd grade..it replaced my rat-tail look.

There is no way Kelli can be fattening. She looks like pretty lean meat.

You're welcome.