I seriously doubt he gives a shit, Jordan Gross has been a RT a LT a RT again and back and forth he makes LT money that's what he gives a shit about.

Aslong as he gets paid he'll be fine.

Bingo. That is why I am ok with it.. not as ok as getting out of the pick or taking a flyer on Raji... but still ok with it.

--Kyle (trying to come to grips with an impossible situation)

P.S. I am happy we have Cassel and got him for a song (and kept him outta denver)... BUT just from a value standpoint... The whole Stafford/Sanchez thing is making a BIT more sense now... I still have major doubts about Sanchez.. but I am really missing that 2nd round pick.. and I was hoping some better fitting players would show up on radar by now... but it doesn't look like it

I am not advocating moving Albert but you have to remember he signed a 5-yr deal so he has 4 more years left on his current contract plus the Chiefs can franchise him if they want (depending on the new CBA). So I really don't see this as a reason to not move him.

Alot can happen in 4 years and we could be 3-peats by then. :D

If we draft an LT at 3 I'll give all my casino cash away to whoever wants it, and stomp my keyboard again. We aren't taking and LT, the coaches and front office loves Albert.

I'll spend money on having a top Oline again rather than spending it on an ILB.

We don't have the same guys who drafted Albert, if they feel hes best at OG or RT and Monroe is a lot better they will take Monroe, especially if they feel there isn't anyone else worth the #3 pick. Even if they do love Albert, that doesn't mean that can't love him somewhere else. All I'm saying is if LT isn't Alberts best position, play him where he gives the best impact. If Monroe can be a better LT than Albert, its a win win situation. We have plenty of cap, Oline is a major need.

If the coaches love Albert, and the front office loves Albert, we won't be drafting a LT.

Just like if the coaches love Cassel, and the front office loves Cassel, we won't be drafting a QB.

The point of my post wasn't that I don't think we're going to draft Monroe, it's that with what was said about Albert before Pioli came here, and after we hired coaches, we're set at LT. You don't need 2, and we have a GM that actually knows something about building a winning team.

Good point :thumb:

Wow. If I had the time or inclination I'd go back and find all the posts where guys who are now busting Wright's balls talked about how great he was. A few months ago I asked Mecca if Wright was ever a pro scout and he gave me a stern lecture on how good the guy was and I shouldn't question his credentials.

Now, a few weeks later when Wrights opinions don't mesh with the views of the drafturbators, all of a sudden the guy is a hack. The level of immaturity and insecurity among draft gurus is amazing. Whereas the draft forum used to be a good place for people to learn new things and opposing views on players it has slowly degraded into a fourm of "I know more than anyone else. You are wrong. You are a reerun if you think differently."

I'm getting set to read this whole thread, but I just wanted to toss this out there before I start. If Pioli does draft an LT, does that mean he does not know how to build a winning team? ;)

As much as the Defense is needed to be upgraded, I would rather roll the dice on it.

You are making a lot of assumptions in that process. The average NFL player's career is 3 years. And I know that we can reasonably believe that Albert will have a long career but thinking 4 years down the road about Albert's contract is a little bit ridiculous for the 2-14 Chiefs at this point. A lot of things can happen in 4 years. Albert's contract is currently a good value for a RT and Monroe would be a good value at LT with the #3 pick considering the other options that we have if we can't trade down.

Say Albert plays a good 4-years at RT and Monroe plays well at LT during that time as well. We would most likely have great o-line play during that 4 year period and the last time we had great o line play, we had the best offense in the league.

Another point is that if Albert doesn't want to resign for reasonable money, we can always franchise him and trade him for picks, the same way we did with Jared Allen. And if you ask me that's a great way to continue the success of your team because you don't end up having huge contracts tied up into one player and you can continue to build through the draft with the picks that you traded the franchise player for.

All the downside of Albert's contract being a problem 4-years down the road really aren't a problem at all when you consider the trade value that Albert will have and the compensation that we will receive.

Again, it's not about the contract.

Albert not only proved he could play the position, he was arguably THE best LT taken in last year's draft.

He's EASILY better than anybody coming out this year.

DON'T ****ING MOVE HIM. It's as simple as that.

Pure speculation.

If you have the time, starting a thread that further illuminates this point would probably be helpful in demonstrating why moving him would be a terrible, terrible decision.

Of course, it might also be an exercise in pissing into the wind...

I agree. If it were me and I was taking an OT I'd draft Andre Smith. I'd draft him if he passed a series of interviews that is. I'd put him at RT and leave Albert where he is. Our line would immediately become a strength.


PhilFree:arrow:

RIGHT ON, good post rep

It's impossible to demonstrate. Saying a one year player is easily better than all other LOT prospects can't be proved until they've all played a few years in the NFL.

I agree totally. If we must draft an OT in the first... an idea I am still not totally sold on... a trade down if at all possible of a few spots and aquire more picks and go with Smith.

Sure you can make an argument for it with detailed analysis.

We're not dealing in the realm of absolutes.

this.

I think Al Groh, the guy who has coached them both for several years who is a good contact of Pioli's will tell Pioli who is better. If we do draft Monroe, I believe that Groh and Pioli have had enough conversations and watched enough tape to confirm that Monroe is an upgrade over Albert. I'm assuming you know that Pioli and Groh worked together for the Jets. These guys know more about Monroe and Albert than we do. Groh should know which one is better. He's coached them.

Many people have made the argument that you don't draft Albert due to value. I don't believe that because (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...20#post5675020).

I like Smith's physical ability, but the guy seems like a head case. what an idiot. he left the combine early and he has fired a couple of agents. he shows up at the combine in bad condition. he spoke with an agent prior to Alabama's bowl game and wasn't able to play in the game. at Alabama's pro day he runs with his shirt off and looks like a jelly man. seriously... I don't know if I would invest in this guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he was out of the league in 3 years. what is money going to do to this guy? how's he going to able to handle it? I just don't see him and money being a good thing. He doesn't seem to think very important decisions through. I just don't see him handling all the temptation and stress and hype very well. who knows... but I'd rather have Monroe. He seems much more stable.

Yes.

I don't think he had any issues till the end of college. What happened? Like I said I'd give him some interviews and see if the guy just had a moment or if he's really is a headcase. He was the top rated player in the draft by some before his troubles started so it might be worth digging deeper so see what his deal is/was. He'd be an awsome RT.


PhilFree:arrow:

I think firing his old agent was a good move.

Smith is still an idiot. He tells the media that he spoke with an agent(what got him suspended from the Bama bowl game) to get ready for the NFL and then he comes to combine and can't work out bc he says he's not ready. How many stupid moves does the guy have to make and obvious laziness before you question him?

Would you ever go to a job interview and leave in the middle of it without telling anyone???? It just seems to me like this guy has been dominating on God given talent. He doesn't appear to have worked out much? He just seems real lazy to me. I'd be afraid that he would lose interest after his signing bonus. Look how terrible he looks. can you say moobs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBmLoOffQjg

this is another reason that I think Monroe has significant trade value because Smith is next and he looks like a big drop off to me. how can anybody with any kind of work ethic be that unprepared for the biggest opportunity of their life??

Get a grip.

The fact that we don't necessarily agree with every thing he has to say doesn't mean we think any less of him, and If I disagree, then I'm going to let it be know.

I don't agree with everything he, or Mike Mayock, have to say, but they are still the best out there.

The reason that some of us are saying that he is better is because he is more athletic, has better feet, and is a better run blocker.

First post in this thread:

"We should all go to it and ask dumb questions"

If you're taking an OT please don't take the guy with all the question marks.

I've said the same thing numerous times. Moving a 2nd year guy who played VERY well at the most important and difficult to fill position on the line is beyond stupid.

Albert proved that he is capable of playing at a very high level. You don't **** with that. How stupid will we be if Monroe doesn't pan out and we have to try to move him back? That's stupid ****ing shit and it screams King Carl.

I'm done with that shit. Let's draft good talent and play the talent where it is supposed to be played.
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In fairness if you put them in the same draft Monroe would get picked ahead of Albert.

I think the big question is this: is Monroe really a significant upgrade at LT over Albert? I don't think he is. I don't know that for sure, I haven't spoken to Al Groh, but the transition Albert made last season without the benefit of some TC and preseason was downright phenomenal. There's not a lot I think he can't do, given the time to work on it.

If it turns out Albert can be 100% the lt Monroe is, then it becomes a bad pick. You move Albert to the right side, 4 years later you franchse, trade him. Are you going to get the trade value of a probowl lt? Probably not, teams may not be sold after he spent the last 4 years on the right. If he was so good, why'd they draft Monroe? So then you spent the #3 on 4 years of great RT play and most likely a lower first round pick.

If Monroe is a significant upgrade at LT, the value could be there, but is still very questionable IMO. In the long term, you're taking a slight upgrade at LT, an upgrade at RT for a years, and probably a lower first-rounder in 4 years as opposed to taking Curry or someone else who could really help the defense.

But Albert played G in college. The hypothetical question is where Albert would go in this draft compared to Monroe after having a solid NFL season and transition under his belt.

Or does that still stand, IYO?

Bookends for 4-5 years isn't a bad thing and it helps turn the team around on offense. You can develop your QB and establish your running game. I still say they take Curry.

So if Jason Smith finds a way to be available at #3 should we consider taking him? I really like Jason Smith and wouldnt mind taking him over Monroe. I dont want a LT at #3 but if we took Smith I would not be mad.

I've said before.

I've watched the combine workouts over the last couple of years, which included Jake Long, Ryan Clady, Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, and ,of course, Albert.

The guy who had the quickest and most graceful feet, without question, was Albert.

So if we had the opportunity to select Smith, and did so, I'd still be pissed.

this is how you get good feet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHkAdusbwuA

Monroe's got great feet. start the video at about 1:40.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiBfpUP4JTc

And Albert has BETTER feet. Please go back to pimping Curry, at least it makes marginal sense.

Like I've said before, I still think the best option is trading down. But if we have to take the pick, I can understand their planning if they pick Monroe and I hope they are right about him and I assume that they have done their homework and received confirmation from their friend Al Groh that Monroe is an upgrade over Albert.

I think if we end up having two great tackles with Albert and Monroe, that we have a great problem to deal with in terms of getting value in a trade. That's like saying, "I don't enough time to count all my money." Good problem. Similar to the problem the cardinals are having with Fitz and Boldin. They have 2 great receivers, but have reaped the benefits for the last few years. I'm sure many people said that you don't take Fitz when you have Boldin.

And when you said:

I think that is pretty valuable. If we get 4 years of great o-line play and a lower first round pick as trade compensation for Albert, I think that is worth it when you consider our other selection options without trading.

I do still like Curry and I think he is a safe pick and that doesn't bother me, especially with our lack of depth at linebacker. I know a player like him is normally at about 10, but with this draft, I don't see any other options.

Hopefully we can trade down, but if we can't, I can be happy with either of those players.

What's funny about this whole STUPID discussion is that Albert isn't even going to move to RT. He's perfectly-suited to play LT. But if they are going to move, it's going to be to Guard. He doesn't have the skill set to play RT.

What skill set does he lack to play RT?

He doesn't have a mean streak. It's one of the most common criticisms in his scouting report from last year.

Furthermore, he's just better-suited to play on the left side and in space, either at LT or LG.

LT's and LGs don't have to be mean, but a RT does?

He's not overly physical, which is generally a trait you want in a RT.

When it comes to brawn vs. finesse, he's more of a finesse player, hence the reason why he's better-suited to the left side of the line.

Moving Albert to RT would ba a complete abortion.

I suppose I could understand why they did it if they chose Monroe, but I wouldn't like it. I'd rather have 20-30 years out of Albert and Curry than 5 from Albert and 10-15 from Monroe(plus a probable draft pick, but I think the chances of getting a player of comparable quality with it is very very unlikely).

Whoa now, John Tait played RT and he has no mean streak.

If you believe in taking Monroe and the Chiefs do that the one thing that stands out above all else is you have to be committed to paying both of them, as long as you do that you can keep them both.

I don't know if I agree with that, Albert may have the pride/desire/skills to want to be on the left.

Yea well the franchise tag fixes that problem real fast...99% of guys could give a shit as long as they get paid.

the reason RT tackles are typically labeled more physical is because they aren't as athletic. they don't have to be with a right handed QB. The QB can see the rush and get out of the way, but with a LT you have to be a great protector bc it's the QBs blind side (if right handed).

LTs are better than RTs.

Albert can play RT no problem.

I'll agree that's the case with most players, but if you're an OT in the NFL and your 2 goals are a SB ring and to go to the HOF, do you want to spend all or most of your career as a right tackle? Elite players want to prove themselves against the best. I realize he wasn't traded, but it wasn't too long ago Lance Briggs wanted out of Chi just so he wasn't overshadowed by Urlacher, who doesn't even play the same position.

I didn't say that I didn't like Monroe's footwork.

I do.

But Albert has better, quicker, more graceful feet.

I said it last year when I watched the combines that Albert had the best feet I've ever seen.

I'd say it's a push at best. Monroe has great feet, it's one his best traits.

In reality, Monroe and Albert are very similar.

We'll have to disagre.

Monroe does have great feet, but his feet look choppy compared to Albert, who just glides.

As I said, I've never seen a man that size with the kind of fluid, graceful feet that he has.

Hollywood beckons.

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images...wts.051208.jpg

BS

Most of these guys want to be the best they can. And Albert can't do that as a RT for the Chiefs when he could do it as a LT somewhere else.

Once again, does anybody notice the BRONCO fan in our midst defending the idea of taking Monroe?

Just why does he like the idea of a division rival doing something like this? Oh yea, because it's STUPID.

He is also a big advocate of us taking Curry as well.

That's why started my post with "once again". If a Bronco fan likes the idea of us taking Curry or Monroe, then you should get the hint...

From todays chat.....

[Comment From Spanna]
What are your thoughts on DE Tyson Jackson. I have heard some wild rumors that the Chiefs are considering him in the #3 spot, which from this chair seems madness....

Scott Wright: #3 overall is too high for Tyson Jackson in my opinion but the Chiefs do really like him. One way or another Jackson is going to be a Top 10-12 overall pick. I said on my podcast six weeks ago that NFL people loved Jackson and that he was going to be selected higher than people realized.

[Comment From Dylan IL]
What more likely, the Chiefs getting Smith/Monroe or the Chiefs trading down?

Scott Wright: I think there is a VERY strong chance the Chiefs will be dumping out of the #3 pick. Denver and Washington, come on down!

[Comment From dtinjoo]
What's one likely trade scenario or wild card pick that could really shake things up in the first 10 picks?

Scott Wright: The Chiefs at #3 will be the turning point in this draft in my opinion.

[Comment From Spanna]
What IYO are the Chiefs' %age chances of trading out of the #3 spot, and what do they do if they get stuck there? Curry might not be the best fit, and an OT would be problematic, given that you would either be paying premium money to a RT, or moving (and risk messing up) Branden Albert, who had a very good rookie campaign....

Scott Wright: I think there is a 75% chance the Chiefs deal down. If they get stuck at #3 it will be either Aaron Curry, Eugene Monroe or Jason Smith.

God, I hope we can trade out.

Because if we can't, it's Curry or bust.

I've been praying for a LONG time that we can move out of the pick. JFC why can't there be an elite passrusher?
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[Comment From RON]I NYC CHIEFS FANS. I THINK THE CHIEFS HAD A TERRIBLE DRAFT NO POTENTIAL STAR PLAYERS ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE THE THIRD PICK IN THE DRAFT. WHAT DO YOU SEE THE CHIEFS DOING NOW AND CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT SOME OF THEIR LATE ROUND PLAYERS

Scott Wright: Well, I don't know that there were many "star" players in this draft. Matthew Stafford is the only prospect who I gave my "Elite" grade to.

As for Kansas City taking Tyson Jackson, it wasn't a flashy pick but for teams stacking a draft board for a 3-4 defense he was by far the #1 DE and he was a legitimate Top 10-12 overall pick. Plus, remember that Scott Pioli helped build those great New England teams by taking Richard Seymour #6 overall and Ty Warren #13 overall.

The bottom line is that Jackson was a slight reach at #3 but not nearly as bad of a pick as some have made it out to be.

[Comment From Chris]
Do you think Josh McDaniles had a good draft, or did he just dig a deeper hole for himself?

Scott Wright: I think Josh McDaniels dug himself a much deeper hole. I have the Over / Under at two years for Josh in Denver. I promise you Jay Cutler will be enjoying success in Chicago long after Josh McDaniels have been fired by the Broncos.

[Comment From Scott Pioli]
Is it obvious that I had nothing to do with New Englands success yet? I am making som pretty stupid moves.

Scott Wright: I think Scott Pioli is doing an outstanding job in Kansas City so far and the Chiefs are going to be better than people think next year.

[Comment From dylan]
Can Matt Cassel make it in KC with only Dwayne Bowe to throw to?

Scott Wright: Well, Mark Bradley played well down the stretch last year and they also signed Bobby Engram.

[Comment From Stu, UK]
Who picks 1st Overall in 2010?

Scott Wright: Detroit, Oakland or Denver.

[Comment From Fred]
Where do you think Dorsey fits for the Chiefs? Think he might get traded if he doesn't work out well in the 3-4? What could they get for him?

Scott Wright: I don't think Glenn Dorsey fits in a 3-4 at all... It will be interesting to see what they do with him.

[Comment From Georg (Germany)]
What new pair of coach and gm will do the best next season?

Scott Wright: I think the Chiefs are going to be better than expected next year. They could finish 2nd in the AFC West, ahead of Oakland and Denver.

ROFL

Scott Wright is obviously a Chiefs homer and a dumbass.

ROFL