Have fun at the Eagles club tonight. Play some Joe Diffie over the jukebox for me.

He's my new favorite poster.

He's just so tough and cool.

There's no evidence he's an orangutan. Leave us out of this.

He's too dumb to even be a Broncos fan. You're right, and I apologize.

His posting is more indicative of an Eastern Lowland Gorilla. My mistake.

Yeah you don't pass on a Heisman winner and holder of as many NCAA passing records as Sanchez has in his unparalled college career.
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So you think guys like Colt Brennan and Timmy Chang were great prospects?

Masterpiece Theater.

I disagree.

Hymen is a jizz-lobbing, hit and douche artist like Mikey; utterly pointless, completely useless, and a fine punching bag.

ROFL

Well, have a good time at 'Missy B's", and don't let the lob hit you in the eye! 4321
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Hey Hey!

Welcome back! :toast:

So was I. The last few weeks are utterly ironic, considering how this place used to be.

The pendulum swings back and forth - some day soon, negativity will once again rule the day.

Hopefully not before the organization wins 10 straight super bowls.

I just hope that one day a winning football team will again rule the day.

I don't think even a winning football team will cure some people. But I'm sure it will help the rest of us.

There's always some facet of the teams play to dissect, even after you win the dance.
But hopefully, the tone becomes "this is how we get better, achieve perfection, and stay at the top" instead of "everything sucks".:D

We'll see.

You should go peruse some of the Patriots game threads from the undefeated season. There were people who were saying the team sucked because they were allowing first downs, never mind points.

Allowing or giving up? There's a difference. :D See, there's always something.

Matt Cassel will be just fine. All he has to do is kick Todd Haley's ass at the first practice and show him who's boss. Worked just fine for Kurt Warner and the Cardinals.

ROFL Rrrrrrrrrright...

Tip: if you didn't want to be identified as Broncos fan troll, then you shouldn't have used a Denver sports star as your username.

Donkey in the house you say?! Where's my mule whip?!

Search for his posts and read them, they're all hilarious and oddly identical - it's obvious Todd Haley ran over his dog.

He's projecting future-hate.


For about the next 10 to 15 years.
It's gonna' be a loooong stretch of misery for Donks in the AFC West. And playing the Chiefs? Fahgedda' about it. Our only competition in this division for the next 3 to 4 years is Sandy Bunghole.

And that too will pass.

As I read through this thread, as I understand it, some people seem to think that those of us in the Sanchez camp were responsible ofr all the aggressive posts and name calling over the last three or four months.

But the fact is, the name calling started with people attacking mecca, who has taken a lot of abuse over the years, and attacking those of us that agreed with defended mecca's position.

What REALLY dialed it up was when the people who polled "No" on Cassel began denying they voted that way after Cassel was acquired.

Two-face doesn't play well with ANY honest person, sports fan or not!

ADDENDUM:

Some people just can't WAIT to get their "Follow The Herd" on.

I like the revisionist history going on in this thread how Mecca, Hamas, OTWP and others are all the victims. That's a complete crock of shit.

For over a month the draft forum became a place where a group of 6 or 7 jumped all over anyone who didn't agree with their take on Sanchez. People were ridden out of the forum if they even wanted to discuss another possible prospect- you're an idiot, true fan syndrome, Chief fans are so browbeaten by Carl they are afraid to take a QB, if you don't want Sanchez you are a fan of 8-8 syndrome, we don't need a LB, we don't need an offensive lineman, you don't understand draft value, etc., etc., etc.

Dude, come on.

The name-calling came from both sides. The "he started it" stuff is so elementary school.

Mecca's dished out just as much, if not more, abuse over the years as he's taken. He's not a victim.

Some of us here have taken INFINITELY more abuse from the "haters" over the years than Mecca will ever have to endure, so this whole episode is becoming downright comical.

Um, I voted "NO" on the Cassel poll. I was absolutely AGAINST trading the #3 overall pick for him, which at that point was part of the discussion. We traded a 2nd round pick for him, which COMPLETELY changes the question.

It may change the question, but it sure as hell doesn't change the PERSON in question, Kimosabbe!

But it does change the value.

What's that supposed to mean?

The difference in value between the #34 and #3 pick is almost an entire draft worth of picks. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being against trading the #3 pick but not being against the trading the #34 pick.

No, you haven't.

mecca has been the target of more insults over the years than any single poster not named KCJohnny or mememe.

And yes, he has dished it out, but not nearly as much as he's taken, and until recently, he never instigated it.

THE QUESTION was the quarterback position, NOT Mark ****ing Sanchez. The original candidate was Matt Stafford.
And there were a WHOLE HOST of Thigiots who brought the Hammer of the Gods down upon their own heads( and rightly ****ing so! ), then switched gears when Cassel was acquired purely out of spite when they didn't want the mother****er to begin with at all!

You have been served, and your welcome!

Debate...over.

Mecca started with the "I know more about football than you do" attitude the DAY HE ARRIVED.

Seriously, you should take a long look at what you're talking about here.

Right, but that's not the point I'm making which I will now relay to mage.

It means this:

Cassel is Cassel and Sanchez is Sanchez and Stafford is Stafford.

Who's going to leave this league with the bigger, larger than life legacy?

THAT is both the question AND the crux.

And what exactly does that have to do with the poll you referenced? Don't try to obfuscate the issue here by talking cryptically.

I think he's saying that his attitude with respect to football knowledge wasn't instigating the personal insults. The personal attacks were often started by people other than Mecca.

I didn't say his opinions aren't rigid and inflexible, and that he didn't appear arrogant.

As a matter of fact, he and I had some discussions about that very thing a few months ago.

The "reerun" stuff also has much to do with some of the criticism heaped on Mecca. Here we might start to see somewhat of a generational gap on the board b/c, for people who are Mecca's age, calling even one's closest friends ridiculous names is not uncommon. The connotation of the "insult" is different.

I've only been here a little over three years, but has there ever been as much discussion about name calling as there has been on this board over the last 3-4 months?

Yes, it most certainly was. He's been attacked for his attitude since the day he arrived. And no, it wasn't started by other people. When you're condescending to people, you can expect them to act in a defensive manner, whether you're deliberately attacking them or not.

If he's arrogant, he CAN'T be innocent. The two are mutually exclusive, sorry.

That's a good point. I know that I call my friends by terribly insults quite frequently. Contextually, its clear that we're kidding around, being hyperbolic, etc. The same sentiment probably doesn't translate to text very well for my generation, let alone other ones.

The poll is a different issue altogether.

And there is NOTHING "cryptic" about what I just presented you with, IF you can think outside of draft boards and value charts.

So, in essence, we're supposed to be defending people who act like children?

Mecca: [insert arrogant football post here]

others: you're gay, bundle of stickshair, mom's basement, get a job

Again, I am not saying that, which is why I had the disussions with him a few months ago.

IMHO, the draft board needed some moderator crackdown this past season. Everyone was guilty of name calling, etc. It should be a place for open discussion of prospects and not just "he sucks, and you are stupid. Go walk into a burning aids tree."

This might have become trite because of overuse, but one has to admit...it's funny.

Sometimes, and this isn't directed at you, people need to lighten the **** up. It's only an intraweb comment...

Go outside in the fall, set up a telescope, and observe a burning AidsMeteor shower.:D

It's not me that needs to think "outside" of anything.

You're basically proposing that you were either FOR trading for Cassel or AGAINST trading for Cassel, and that the pick we traded for him is irrelevant.

The world isn't black and white. Your assertion is preposterous.

If you don't acknowledge the history, sure.

But Mecca was calling people names years ago. This isn't a recent development.

But the problem is that people like Dane and Hamas used it to shut down almost any conversation and it was followed by a heaping of insults. If you really step outside of being someone who was in the Sanchez camp and look at most of the conversations, most anyone who threw out a different option for a pick was met with this immediately as well as being called reeruned, true fans, jokes about "Jesus Curry" over and over and over...

To me it's not about the insults necessarily, but more that this place became completely impossible to have an actual football discussion, not because of the n00bs, but because of the intolerance of a few posters to allow ANY other alternatives to their ideas. And most of those threads turned into the same circle jerk where a bunch of people were saying the same dumb phrases over and over again and making each other laugh. It's ironic, because some of the best "football people" according to many on the board, would refuse to actually have a football discussion because of the whole game that was going on all offseason with "true fans."


And with Mecca, come on. He repeatedly would start a thread just FOR controversy. Starting threads like "Someone explain to me what makes Aaron Curry worth the #3 pick," when EVERY thread for the past three months was a debate about that very subject. He would start threads like this and immediately bash anyone who offered up an opinion. What's the point, unless you just like to stir up controversy? That's Mecca's game, and now he is upset because people are playing it? And FWIW, if you look at most of the times he gets sensitive, it's someone disagreeing with him on a take on a certain player, and he says something like, "Are you trying to make me mad." or "Oh, you must just be another person that wants to disagree with me." or a slew of other phrases that we've all seen over and over again when someone simply disagrees with him on a player's value. As if people actually give a shit about making Mecca mad when it comes to liking or disliking a player/prospect. Who does he think he is, really? I'm going to like or dislike a player out of spite for Mecca? The fact is, HE turned every thread into something about him if you really follow it.

I'm not sure how anyone can't understand this. There is a world of difference between trading a number 3 overall and trading a second rounder for Cassel. It absolutely changes the question.

Just like a conversation DeezNutz and I had about Sanchez a while back. I was totally against drafting him at #3 overall simply because of the overwhelming history against him due to his experience, plus his arm strength, size, etc. However, if we would have traded back anywhere past 15 and he was still around, I would have been OK with drafting him because of the value. The value in getting Cassel at #34 and still being able to draft an elite talent at #3 is a million times a better option than trading Cassel for a #3 pick.

I WILL say this: i have NEVER called someone a name here unprovoked, i have been called a reerun, idiot, told i cant read, been threatened MULTIPLE times, slap me choke me with a dictionary(which was the funniest being who it came from) told i was an ignorant grease monkey etc. they put you down while you arent even online then act as though they are a victim when you read through the thread and defend yourself. Maybe thats why you think it's unprovoked

WTF?

Show me ONE TIME that someone on ANY forum here was banned due to name calling.

Christ, this place is so loosely moderated that people get away with ethnic slurs and racial remarks.

You want moderation, head over to WPI where they ban you for having a differing opinion.

Here's what I'm getting at, the point that I was making that got lost in the discussion about mecca specifically after I posted.

Those of us who agreed with or defended mecca's opinion immediately became the target of insults.

I can give as well as I get, so I'm not moaning about that.

What I am saying is that the people accusing the Sanchez camp of initializing the the aggresiveness are making a blatantly false statement.

Forget the value for a second.

You either think he's capable of leading a team to a Super Bowl, or you don't. There's no in-between, it's a simple yes or no question.

If you think he IS capable, then there's no reason you wouldn't have traded the 3rd overall pick for him. A true franchise QB is INVALUABLE.

So it sounds like many of you think he's incapable, but it's OK because we only spent a 2nd round pick.

That pretty much cover it?

I hear what you're saying, man. I do. And you're right that most of the discussions around draft time degenerated into pissing contests.

To a certain extent,some of that is predicated on the fact that we discussed the shit out of every small detail to the point of exhaustion. People become unnecessarily entrenched in their positions, and thus the insults could fly because, well, there was little else left to do.

I firmly believe--(read: know for a fact) that all of the posters you've mentioned--Dane, Mecca, etc.--are good dudes and willing to engage in high-level argumentation, the kind of stuff that makes this board fun. And they'll be respectful of your disagreement.

But I'm sure we'll disagree on the following, which I do believe is the root problem: Some of the n00bs have changed the overall tenor of this place. And some very strong posters, such as yourself, have accidentally been lumped with those with whom you don't belong. The resulting tension between n00b and vet has been such that knee-jerk reactions have been the norm.

Did anyone EVER insult you, milkman? If they did, I didn't see it. It's because you are actually capable of having a real discussion.

I'm presenting you with three quarterbacks. You hold no allegiance, strings, or power with the Chiefs. Who are you putting your money on first? Who's going to make it happen first? Who do YOU pick for YOUR TEAM???

How much simpler can I possibly make this question?

I can't. If you can't grasp the concept now, there's no point in continuing.

That's the thing, right there.

Even though you and I disagreed strongly in a number of discussions, we were able to have civilized debates.

But, yes, there were some who simply resorted to namecalling simply because I disagreed with them, or agreed with mecca or Hamas.

Alright, I never saw those times where someone attacked you for no reason like that. There is a HUGE difference between you and either of the others you mentioned, even though you may have agreed on certain subjects.

Yep. That's what I thought. Just another Mecca ballwasher...

:)

I fully agree with this. That's why I mentioned the part about Mecca starting threads about subjects that had been discussed to death and resulted in arguments every time. He repeatedly started those threads for controversy, taking backhanded shots at anyone who didn't share his views in the process, and then acted surprised if anyone took a shot at him. Seriously, now he is some sort of victim? I can't believe smart posters don't see this. I realize many people agreed with his player takes, which is fine, but I don't know how anyone could defend his posting style.

And again, has anyone actually ever called you a "Mecca ballwasher?" I have seen others, (many whom probably are), called that, but never you, milkman, OTWP (maybe I saw OTWP a time or two this offseason)

We don't disagree on anything here.

There are no victims, generally speaking, on CP.

That said, some of the posters put forth more personal information than others, and, inevitably, it's used as ammo against them. That's why you're seeing a bit more defense of Mecca, I believe, because some of the shit he takes hits close to home, literally.

These comments inspire the type of pathos that recipients of comments like, "You're a ****ing moron." something generic, won't get.

Nope.

Not sure about milk, but OTWP has caught some shit for some reason. Not sure why, since that dude goes to great lengths to support his assertions, maybe more so than anyone else in the draft forum.

Sorry.

Couldn't "wash" what you'd already "cleaned".

:D

Not at all. That's so incredibly inflexible it's LAUGHABLE.

He MIGHT be capable. Therefore it's WORTH the risk of the #34 pick, but NOT worth the risk of the #3 overall pick.

You're attempting to make an ABSOLUTE judgement devoid of mitigating factors. You simply CANNOT do that an maintain any sense of intellectual integrity.

In a perfect world, I take Sanchez. But apparently you're not capably of looking around and seeing that the world isn't perfect.

I thought the attacks on Mecca about where he lives and what he does for work were out of bounds and I mentioned that in the thread I saw them made in. I'm with you 100% on this.

You're going to have to use MUCH smaller words for RoR.

Do I have a reading comprehension issue?

Every time I see shorts like that, all I read is "Look at my ass".

No, not at all.

It's actually written in braille, which confuses me when women look offended when I try to read it. WTF, chick?

Yeah, I don't like that shit at all. No need for it. However, Claythan has received that same treatment for years now, and I haven't seen people jumping to his defense. Not to mention, I have seen many, including Dane and Hamas take shots at people like JASONSAUTO about being a mechanic and such. That stuff happens.

LMAO

Shut up you stupid puke! (It's not too early is it?

I saw people take shots at milkman before. It confused the HELL out of me. Normally milkman is willing to discuss anything. Even when there were some people still defending Herm (WTF?) He will still engage them civily. He would associate certain inappropriate words associated with Herm, but they wouldn't be pointed at the poster.

Nope, that's what I see. You're good.

In appropriate words?

You mean like competent and capable?

I know for a fact I never used those kind of inappropriate words when discussing Herman ****ing Edwards.

You're right. Poor choice of words. very PROFANE words associated with Herm.

Competent and Capable ROFL

hasn't played a single down in NFL. F- for NOT Failing.

You are good!

ROFL