Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6116317)

Sent it in last year, thank you! ROFL

I am just saying you are using hindsight.....a luxury they didn't have.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6116322)

No, I just get tired of your stupid, childish threads and your stupid ****ing comments.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 6116321)

Goff played really well last year. You think that may have been what they valuated him on?

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6116330)

Did you really? ROFL

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6116333)

Uh, no he didn't.

Do you think that San Diego let him go because he "played really well"?

Do you think that anyone else in the entire league was even interested in signing him?

No.

He signed with the team with the worst offensive line in the NFL, three years running.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6115723)

FA: Jason Brown, Ray Willis.

Draft: Round 2: Eben Britton, Max Unger, Andy Levitre, William Beatty (Cassel Trade)
Round 3: (Magee): Antoine Caldwell, Kraig Urbik, Louis Vazquez
Round 4: Jonathan Luigs
Round 5: Duke Robinson, Fenuki Tupou


Just a few.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6115776)

Post 53 for OL
For DL: Olshansky, Canty,
For S: Jim Leonhard would have been a better pickup than Brown

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6116341)

That might have a little something to do with why guys who you would claim to be "good" didn't want anything to do with us.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6116334)

You don't need a pro bowl RT nor did Goff play well last year, what is with the hyperbole?

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6116346)

This team would be better right now, and it's future looking bright if Clark had hired Eric Decosta, who in turn would have hired Rex Ryan.

Then in free agency sign Matt Birk or Jason Brown, kicking Niswanger to RG, on offense.

On defense, sign Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard.

In the draft, take Mark Sanchez, Rey Mauluga, Antoine Caldwell, Sammie Lee Hill, and Fenuki Tupou.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6116347)

Is that why Jason Brown signed with the Rams, one of the 2 teams to have more losses than we do over the past 35 games?

Sorry, have to edit.

THE ONLY TEAM to have more losses over the last 35 games.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6116347)

Is that why Jason Brown signed with the Rams, one of the 2 teams to have more losses than we do over the past 35 games?

Sorry, have to edit.

THE ONLY TEAM to have more losses over the last 35 games.

Originally Posted by chiefs1111 (Post 6116348)

Didn't you hear?? If the Chiefs would have drafted a RT with the number 3 pick,our O line would have been fixed,at least that is what I heard

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6116274)

Trading for a guard and making him a tackle is an asinine thing to do.

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 6116351)

I'm not saying that doesn't sound good, but Pioli/Haley have a pass this year, as far as I'm concerned. I don't know this for a fact, but I'd be willing to say that it isn't Pioli/Haley wanting to be 30+ million under the cap. As far as the drafting, well, it could have been better, but give it time.

Originally Posted by chiefs1111 (Post 6116348)

Didn't you hear?? If the Chiefs would have drafted a RT with the number 3 pick,our O line would have been fixed,at least that is what I heard

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6115608)

No way the executive of the decade could be a part of something so terrible. Not possible.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6116360)

That's cause half the people that post here can't post logically it's either all one end or the other.

Also our fan base more than any other overvalues OL, you need a good one but it doesn't need to be a legendary crew of all first round draft choices either.

Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 6116363)

Surely you're aware that it was Miami that made him a tackle.

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6116354)

What part of "might" didn't you get?

Originally Posted by chiefs1111 (Post 6116368)

At the very least the Chiefs could have drafted Duke Robinson,who I believe was still there in the 6th round??? He would be better than Goff and that would of helped.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6116360)

That's cause half the people that post here can't post logically it's either all one end or the other.

Also our fan base more than any other overvalues OL, you need a good one but it doesn't need to be a legendary crew of all first round draft choices either.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6116364)

Sorry, but I'm not buying the idea that Clark Hunt is to blame for not even being above the salary floor.

That 1st year in NE, they brought in over 20 street FA's, and gave out less than $2M in guaranteed money (IIRC) COMBINED.

That almost impossible to do in today's NFL.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6116372)

Because it doesn't have a ****ing thing to do with it.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6116346)

This team would be better right now, and it's future looking bright if Clark had hired Eric Decosta, who in turn would have hired Rex Ryan.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6116369)

And them being willing to trade him or cut him made it pretty obvious how good of a tackle he was.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6116373)

Hey don't tell me I argued hard for Robinson on the 2nd day of the draft.

Originally Posted by chiefs1111 (Post 6116392)

Oh I know you did and so did I. It drove me nuts that we kept passing him up. Does anyone happen to know why he fell so far??? did he have Character problems or something??

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6116390)

Not saying he is Roaf but isn't that what the Saints thought of Willie? :shrug:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6116257)

Last year everyone raved about Albert...now everyone says he is sucking...

Everyone griped that we needed to cut Macintosh, we did...and now people are griping...


Some of you should offer to give Haley and Pioli some of your expertise on picking players...or lend them your crystal ball, either one.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6116271)

There are some tangential connections in this post.

Think of all the posters on this site whom you consider knowledgeable about football: are these people bitching about Albert?

Yes, we needed to cut Sackintosh...AND replace him with someone better, not worse.

And, based on what we've seen thus far, Pioli could profit from a little advice....

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 6116291)

I know you haven't. I have 168 employees that work for me and some of them regardless of the direction you give them make the dumbest mistakes you ever saw.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6116454)

Playing him right now could ruin his confidence.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 6116321)

Goff played really well last year. You think that may have been what they valuated him on?

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6116447)

Albert's poor play is still a result of new technique and the weight loss, IMO. I'm not throwing him under the bus, nor are most of the knowledgeable posters.

As far as DMac is concerned, no one was advocating replacing his ass with Chris Terry or Kyle Turley. We wanted an upgrade, not a swinging dick for the case of a swinging dick.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6116458)

It might.

But if it does, he was never the player we thought or hoped he was.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6116455)

This is the NFL, not a ****ing sheltered workshop.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 6116291)

Building a football team and building a company with a bunch of employees isn't that much different. You can't turn either around in a short period of time.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6116308)

Uh dude, signing and trading for upwards of 10 players during preseason is panic.

Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 6116386)

Why is that assumed to be true? Before Pioli was hired, be it here or in Cleveland, all anyone talked about was how he was going to hire Josh McDaniels or Kirk Ferentz. There's no guarantees with such things.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6115533)

It is amusing.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6116458)

It might.

But if it does, he was never the player we thought or hoped he was.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6116484)

You're right.

I am just speculating, but the fact is, most new GMs go with someone they have, or have had a working relationship with.

For DeCosta that is a shorter list than Pioli's, who's been in the league for much longer.

Originally Posted by Smed1065 (Post 6116491)

Said the wait person. Now just pile......

3 weeks in and U know better? LOL

U right, it is amazing U R still posting!

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6116463)

I guess the coaches didn't want to upgrade as bad as the fans?

Originally Posted by Smed1065 (Post 6116501)

Guess your jerk IM, did not work out? Idiot!!!

ROFL

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6116493)

I think every player who goes through a learning period and struggles loses their confidence.

Some don't overcome it.

Some do.

I think Albert is one that would, but I think also that it does slow the process, which is my primary concern with Albert right now.

Originally Posted by Chieficus (Post 6116476)

Good point. I think that's the bigger picture here. A lot of people are whining about the o-line and what shoulda/coulda happened. Well, the o-line is just a small fraction.

What this team needed was a near-complete overhaul: We needed to replace 1 if not both safeties, with the switch to a 3-4: 3 LBs, 3 DLs, then also: C, G, T, WR, QB, KR/PR, and while it was lower priority maybe even HB. That's at minimum 1/2 a team's worth of starters and doesn't even begin to address depth at those positions. Not to mention the complete dearth of leadership that was on the team.

I'd like to see the GM that can come to a laughing stock of a team and even begin to fix every phase of that in one offseason.

They had to prioritize, and with the draft, they decided to set their aim on the DL and QB (with the trade); then maybe see what they could happen to fill with the later picks.



I think it only qualifies as panic when you think you're a player or two away and find out you're not at the last moment, so you start reaching at straws to make yourself better than you are. I don't think our owner, GM, or coach ever had that illusion.

When you have a seriously talentless team you pick a place and start working. That's what they did. The rest of it is trying to find the right sized finger to plug the hole in your dam until you can get the proper fix...

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6116518)

I still don't know what Smed is talking about.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6115608)

No way the executive of the decade could be a part of something so terrible. Not possible.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6116510)

Just ****ing hilarious!

LMAO

JFC, what did you just say?

LMAO
LMAO
ROFL

Holy shit.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6116526)

Jesus ****ing Christ.

Not one person, not ****ing one person on this board thought this could be turned around in a year. Stop with this ****ing bullshit.

The criticism doesn't stem from the fact that we're 0-3 this year, it stems from the fact that even their initial choices and styles to "plug the dam" have been gross miscalculations or outright failures.

That doesn't portend well for the future. You can't win with 53 Terrance Coppers, no matter how much you want to. You can't draft counter to the available talent in the draft and expect to get good players, or good value.

You can't ignore the biggest weakness on your team, and then forfeit draft choices so that you can shuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Good god, man. Get ****ing real.

Originally Posted by Smed1065 (Post 6116528)

wOW iMAGINE.

Like the nfl, college or need to but down the truth.

Mecca duh?

Originally Posted by Smed1065 (Post 6116537)

LOL Go Mecca or douche from Cali or 60 percent.

LOL

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6116532)

ROFL

Just give the man his "biscuits and taters" and move on.

Originally Posted by Chieficus (Post 6116476)

I'd like to see the GM that can come to a laughing stock of a team and even begin to fix every phase of that in one offseason.

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan (Post 6115511)

With the Chiefs trailing huge, the Chiefs went into a shell. It appeared that he quit calling plays trying to win.

That combined with his arrogance, and hardass attituded towards everyone...... he could have a very, very short shelf life.

I cannot believe how conservative that game was called. I understand protecting the QB... but you have give yourself a chance to win the game.

My biggest gripe about Herm was the conservative play calling.... and Haley has made him look like Al Saunders.

It is hard to keep a team from giving up when the head coach calls a game like he gave up midway through the third quarter.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6116557)

You should be chemically neutered.

Originally Posted by Smed1065 (Post 6116567)

Idiot. Smell my socks.

Did I idiot?

My soXCKs R GREAT!

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6116581)

Can't argue with that.

Originally Posted by Smed1065 (Post 6116567)

Idiot. Smell my socks.

Did I idiot?

My soXCKs R GREAT!

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 6116586)

It's like looking at a chaos math formula.

Originally Posted by Smed1065 (Post 6116567)

Idiot. Smell my socks.

Did I idiot?

My soXCKs R GREAT!

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6116526)

Jesus ****ing Christ.

Not one person, not ****ing one person on this board thought this could be turned around in a year. Stop with this ****ing bullshit.

The criticism doesn't stem from the fact that we're 0-3 this year, it stems from the fact that even their initial choices and styles to "plug the dam" have been gross miscalculations or outright failures.

That doesn't portend well for the future. You can't win with 53 Terrance Coppers, no matter how much you want to. You can't draft counter to the available talent in the draft and expect to get good players, or good value.

You can't ignore the biggest weakness on your team, and then forfeit draft choices so that you can shuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Good god, man. Get ****ing real.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6115632)

This is a game where we were horribly outmatched. It reminds me of the Eagles game several years ago when we played without Roaf.

I'm not too upset at Haley for the way the game was coached. I'm upset that his players still make boneheaded mistakes. But the playcalling is fine. There's nothing you can do when on every pass play, at least two pass rushers are getting to Cassel unblocked.

I'm more pissed at Pioli for not realizing this was a problem sooner. Haley is doing the best he can with what he was given.

That being said, this is an interesting test for Haley. Yellers and screamers have a hard time yelling, when players don't buy into what you're selling. It reminds me of when Coughlin was almost ousted several years ago.

Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6116587)

ROFL On second thought, go ahead and ignore everything I said in that other thread.

Originally Posted by Chieficus (Post 6116596)

Dude, calm down... seriously: it's football, not worth having a stroke over.

Originally Posted by Chieficus (Post 6116596)

Dude, calm down... seriously: it's football, not worth having a stroke over.

The point of my post was that they did not ignore the biggest weakness on this team because darn near every position on the entire team was it's biggest weakness.

Is the OL crap? Yeah. Have their temp fixes for it turned out to be crap as well? Yeah. But in that amazing record-setting sackless season last year, the DL and LB corps were just as crappy. When your QB's were Thigpin, Huard, and a guy who might have potential but he can't seem to keep off of IR, then that position was pretty much crap as well.

You start somewhere--they went defense and QB with a change of scheme and the use of their 1st 3 draft picks. Unless you can woo the right FA's, that doesn't leave you much to spend on fixes elsewhere.

Start where you can, see what you have, then continue fixing when the next year rolls around... that's all I'm saying.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6116616)

I'm not having a stroke. Me saying "Jesus ****ing Christ" is like a weatherman saying "cumulus". Get used to it.

The point remains, that last year was the perfect year to need to rebuild the OL due to the depth in the draft. And what did they do? Jack and ****.

That doesn't bode well for the future.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6115781)

Maybe if you read the ****ing thread you'd see some of these names.

Jesus Christ.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6116617)

And bringing in a $60M QB who can't protect and who can't operate in a real offense because you don't have the pass protection to open up the playbook is a huge mistake.

Pioli had to start somewhere. Unfortunately, he decided it didn't have to start on the offensive line, the foundation of a good football team. A good offensive line would ahve done wonders for Cassel in his development.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6116609)

I think we should posrep bomb that drunken bastard.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6116628)

But Scott Pioli and Clancy Pendgergast. Pendergast is good he got the Arizona Cardinals to the super bowl and there talent isn't much better than the Chiefs/ Chiefsplanet

Originally Posted by Smed1065 (Post 6116640)

Still a prediction > U suk as a friend!

No connections loser.