Oh so now what players say doesn't mean anything or is stupid? Gotcha.

Maybe he was doing an impersonation of you by saying stupid stuff and then claim he was being sarcastic. ;)

I don't care what other players say, if you haven't noticed over the years, players are ****in dumb when it comes to this.

Yeah, that's what I said. Exactly.

Pioli had no access to seeing these guys in person. None. And game film isn't an important evaluation tool.

You couldn't have done a worse job in your first year than Pioli has done and here we are with a defense being made, ponder that.

LOL.
His first draft landed him Matt Ryan.

That is the ONLY reason he looks like a damn Genius now.
If Ryan had fell to us, Peterson would be looking good right now.

I understand Pioli is batting a low percentage right now, but he walked into a crap pile and has a history of building a bad team into a good one and keeping it well stocked for a decade. I am willing to give him a little bigger leash than most, I guess. I hope that doesn't lead to me getting burned as it has in the past.

I have a question.

Who was he supposed to bring in via FA?

If you say Haynesworth or Jason Brown, you have failed.

100 million for AH? NO

having to go over 40 million for a 5 year deal (he signed for 37.5 million/5yrs in stl) for a center that was basically signed within minutes of the opening of free agency? Who has made NO IMPACT.

Canty? I would have liked to have signed him, but who says he would even have taken a call from KC when an offer was on the table from a team like the Giants? I would have topped the winning offer, but how much would we have had to overpay to get him? He signed with a contender for 6/42. If we show to overpay for need, what does that do to our own upcoming free agents?...that they can hold us over the coals and get paid? That isnt the message good teams send.

Igor? I would be willing to bet his opinion of even considering signing with us was laughable. A division rival that wont overpay and only won 2 games the previous year? Child, please. Also, lets say we pay him a moderate contract 4 years 20 million...then what do we do with Dorsey? Do we scrap him altogether? Play him at NT where he has less chance at success? Really...what to do?

I would have loved to have signed both Igor and Chris, but what chance does a 2-14 team have of signing a player that is desired by contending teams? WE WILL NOT OVER PAY FOR FREE AGENTS! EVER! IT IS THE OPPOSITE OF THE PATRIOT WAY. It is also the correct way of going about it. Good teams are not bought, they are bred.

This shit is gonna take time guys. Get a case of snickers and buckle up, its gonna be a wild ride!

Dont get me wrong, I am not condoning the current regimes actions at all, not taking multiple o linemen in this last draft is inexcusable, taking a corner before a olinemen or other need positions was foolish to say the least. Deciding not to overpay for two 5-tecs but taking one with a top 3 pick doesnt scream confidence at first, but give them time to fail before you declare them failures.

Id also like to add that Pioli brought in a bunch of FAs in 2001 NE and most of them are garbage names as well, but over time he showed he knew what he was doing.

Give these guys time.

But what do I know, I wanted Orakpo...

Wow, your insight is just invaluable around here

:rolleyes:

Pathetic.

It means something, but just not too much.

It also landed Sam Baker and Curtis Lofton who are better than anything Pioli acquired this year.

Uh how is saying Jason Brown a fail? He signed with the Rams he was going to the highest bidder, I guess the Chiefs have no money to spend eh?

How about Brian Xanders THIS YEAR?

Or Tom Dimitroff in Atlanta?

Need I go on?

Stop gaps for what purpose? If we had shit for talent already, why would we need stopgaps for anything? If we have no foundation to speak of, and plenty of money, there is no reason for any stopgaps. There's no reason to wait. Start building already...

That's obviously just blind luck according to the defenders.

WHAT?

How about signing Michael Turner, who led the NFL in rushing last year?

How about hiring a first time head coach, who led them to a winning record in his first season with a rookie QB?

How about trading up into the first round to grab LT Sam Baker?

Seriously, you don't know what you're talking about.

Why do people like you that don't know jackshit INSIST on acting as if they do?

Please explain.

Seriously Atlanta's 3rd pick of the draft was better than our first.

Maybe it's the water in KC then because he was pretty good at his job before he was hired by the Chiefs. I think his body of work before he was hired by the Chiefs says more than what has transpired since. What happens the next couple of years will say something though.

PhilFree:arrow:

You know he wasn't the GM in NE right?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2786670

NE has cash and it's saved them because their recent drafts have sucked the serious cock.

Yeah.

PhilFree:arrow:

they basically had a boatload of cash on his lawn at 12:01 and really, some of the same "dumb" arguments would be shouted about Pioli if he had signed a center for 8 million/yr. Dont say that isnt accurate, because it is. Just because you need a car and have 20k, doesnt mean you spent 20k on a car worth 10-12k.

It really doesn't matter what I say.
I still have faith in Pioli.
I don't think he has screwed up the way you guys do.
If that makes me an idiot, so be it.
Only time will tell who is wrong or right.

I'm fine with spending money when it's there to spend...especially when you might be about to enter an uncapped year and the league in general being uncapped.

By the time the team is really good his contract is one that could easily come off the books.

So we should demote Pioli and bring in the Hoodie's man sack. Is that what you're advocating?

I don't think that patience and logical talent acquisition are mutually exclusive.

Kind of like your posts? :D

LMAO.

Yeah, my posts. Or any of the other posts on a ****ing football message board.

As is yours.

"Pioli ****ed up", and "you are and idiot" can only be said so many times, in so many ways.

Ok, so Pioli has taken a lot of heat from some of the posters in this thread, but let's ask a more specific question to those whose faith is still unwavering:

What has Pioli done well? What are his successes in KC thus far? Please be specific.

Obviously paid big dividends for the Rams. I feel like they could have addressed the o line more then the minimal they did but come on man.


PhilFree:arrow:

Fan support for the GM is at a 20-year high.

Damn. No wonder you wan n00b of the year.


I'm just now getting familiar with you, and I've read more logic in your last 3 posts than the know it all elites have spouted in months.

Oh, and that's what I've said in this thread?

:rolleyes:

What's wrong with you?

(Besides the obvious).

Noooooo he sucks!!! He sucks!! He sucks!! I heard it on Chiefs Planet...

Because his name isn't Carl Peterson, if they'd take 10 seconds to see the job he's done it's the same shit with a different name.

Hell even Carl had a better first year than this.

What's something good he's done, seriously.

To date, we have pissed off no players by telling them to STFU and STFD.

Bullshit.

You made claims in this very thread that I have disputed.

Funny how you are unwilling or unable to address them.

He has won more games than last year with 22 guys off the street. :)

Pioli fired Herm Edwards. Remember how awesome that was?

Good point. But it's a 12-year high.

Through '97, CP had done a pretty solid job. Didn't reach the goal, but he was far from terrible, and most fans were probably pretty positive about the job he had done to that point.

Guys, guys, guys. You are spouting the same crap over and over, both sides. Look, I think everyone here agrees that we saw a crappy year coming. I think everyone agrees that this team was a mess when Pioli got here. I think everyone agrees that Pioli has whiffed on some of the early decisions from what we as outsiders understand. As far as FA goes, could he have made a much bigger splash? Absolutely. Would signing Jason Brown, Albert Haynesworth, or Chris Canty, or all three for that matter made this more than a 6 win team? No chance. It would have cost a fortune though. The point is, Vrabel was brought in because he knows the 3-4 defense and could help out guys like Hali, Studebaker, and Johnson, plus he was essentially free. Let me sum it up this way. If you were the GM, and you felt that you could spend over one hundered million on a few free agents and maybe get this team to 5 or 6 wins, would you have? What would you have done, and how many wins do you think it would translate into this season?

I don't have blind faith in Pioli but I'm still on board with what I think to be his plan. IMO you can't really judge what Pioli's successes are at this point in his tenure in KC. He's done what he's said he was gonna do. Build it from the bottom up.

PhilFree:arrow:

It's all you ever say in football related threads.

More wins

I just don't get all the negative nancy's 11 months into a new regime. I could understand and probably join them if this was year 3 but he inherited a shitty organization and roster it is going to take some time.

Ok, but you really haven't addressed the question.

What has he started to build? Are there any new pieces to the foundation? Does a 5 tech count? The kicker?

The puddle of mud is enough? At least that ugly ass house isn't here any longer?

Six wins would have been progress.

Brown, Haynesworth and Canty would have been valuable to the team down the road, too.

Totally worth it.

Ok, you guys of faith, stand right here against this wall infront of the painted bulls eye and whatever you do don't move. Here, to show my good intention, have a cigarette.

Then he hired a guy who makes Herm look like a genius.

Would Herm have won 3 games this season?

Have we won because of Haley? Or in spite of him?

I don't have time to read through the thread right now, and I don't know exactly what you are referring to.

Just for the record Chris Canty was significantly cheaper than the guy we took 3rd overall to do the same thing.

I don't know how anyone could watch these games and say we upgraded coach, Haley makes Herm look like a game management God.

I think it is a generation thing. It's an instant reward type world some grew up in. If you can line up a bunch of digital shit on a video game you should be able to do the same in the real world.

I think it's a legitimate question, don't you?

What has Pioli done well? That's not fair?

Pioli saw all the close games last year thought if I bring in my QB and switch to the 3-4 we could win games.

What ever it cost for Brown, Haynesworth and Canty add 25% for them to come to KC. Is it still worth it?

Dude "negative nancies" at least from my point on this is I don't think expecting 1 or even 2 foundation players the first year is asking to much and we got none. I could give 2 shits about the record that wasn't what it was about this year but he acquired nothing to build upon got that, NOTHING.

Because all the posters who have raised serious questions about Pioli (and Haley) are kids or of the "younger generation"?

Those are actually pretty legit questions that put this in perspective...

I think it's funny to realize his QB is basically Tyler Thigpen's older brother.

People might respond with, "The team plays hard for Haley. Solid effort."

Great, they did the same thing for Herm, too.

No we would have been 0-13 with Herm.

I think your second question is very fair. I think Haley\Pendergast has screwed up a couple of games that we should have won. Raiders and Cowboys at home are 2 that come to mind.

Man, you guys are good at dodging questions. Sooooo, would you have signed Canty, Haynesworth, or Brown, or all three? Do you think that would have translated into more than 6 wins?

And I think you are high. Haley has been far away the worst coach in the league this year.

Herm ball would have beat the Raiders at home.

Who said you had to sign all 3 of them?

I was just simply asking for SOMETHING, add a foundation piece, we got none. This would be like going man I'm building a house lets get that foundation laid down...then a year later after you put down a cardboard box going..hrm still no foundation I see.

Of course you don't. Is that your new excuse? You've used it twice this week alone.

:rolleyes:

You never responded.

Then THIS gem:

No response on either.

But I get it: You're just too busy.

LMAO

Herm ball also didn't get completely destroyed by the Chargers either, I do not like Herm at all so this should tell you what Haley's coaching skill is.

All offseason, the mantra was "We'll win more games just by coaching alone."

I haven't seen a shit bit of that so far.

Yep that is why I give Carl credit for saying a few years ago Chief fans don't have enough patience for a rebuild which is true.

Got rid of LJ.
I believe they will double last years wins.
Secured the kicker position
Picked up Chambers. (yes, he's better than anyone we had, and will contribute.)

That's not much, but I believe the big work happens this off-season. The only FULL off-season they've had.

Yep.

Dude no one is bitching about the record, stop trying to spin it into something it's not.

We're bitching that he's done nothing to find foundation players. Our fan base isn't impatient it's just loaded with dipshits who don't even understand simple points.

LOL yes a kicker!

And they only got rid of LJ after he made them before that they continued to run him out on the field over Charles, that's a glowing endorsement that they know what they're doing.

Without Matt Ryan it doesn't mean shit.

That would appear to be part of the foundation of our 34 D. Moving Dorsey to DE and him picking up his game is part of the foundation. Save a NT our D Line has some what of a foundation being laid. That said it's till to early to know or judge. Thsi team isn't being built for 2009 that's just where it started.

PhilFree:arrow:

If Herm were the coach, there would have been no reason to sign Canty or Haynesworth. Brown would have been a nice signing.

I think the Chiefs would have chosen plenty of offensive lineman, a MLB like Maualuga and would have continued on the path of rebuilding this franchise with youth.

Would that have translated to more wins? Absolutely. Even with Thigpen at QB, a better offensive line and a better defense (along with Tony Gonzalez & Chan Gailey) would have produced at LEAST six wins, if not eight or more.

This defense was not far away from competing. The offensive line could have used a new starting center and right tackle. One more solid draft under Herm would have gone a long way toward respectability.

Now, the Chiefs are an Expansion Franchise. And if you haven't noticed, Cleveland & Houston have not won a playoff game.

So he can identify a QB and Scott Pioli can't...