So you believe that one day Haley will wake up and just not be a dumbass? That is basically what you are saying.

The decision about his staff should not be Haley's decision at this point.

Even if he gets a better staff around him he's in charge of gameday management, of course it'd be great if he had an assistant for that.

Yo Todd going for it here is not a good move, shut the **** up we're going for it! Ok Todd have it your way but you're going to look dumb...

Actually, I am not emotionally connected to Haley as many where with Herm....

Haley can stay or go, doesnt matter to me.... There are alot of things I would like to see changed, but IMO and to me personally, after living with Herm I can survive anything....

I believe once he gets an OC to take care of that side of the ball, he won't be so stressed and reeruned on the sidelines and probably make better decisions in general.

He's over-worked. And he did it to himself.

So, yeah; I'm willing to give him more than one season where he basically decided he was going to run the entire ****ing show and failed at it. If Haley insists on the HC/OC role again next year, he's a tard. If he doesn't lobby for an almost completely new coaching staff, including a DC and a QB coach, he's a tard.

But, I'm patient like that. I didn't expect great things this year. But I also didn't expect Gailey to get canned and for us to bring in Pendergast either. If the epic ****-up's continue next year, goodbye. But, I'm not for pulling the plug on a brand new regime right now, especially a first time HC.

No doubt, he's been an epic fail this year. But I guess there's nowhere to go but WAY up.

I'd like to see them ALL gone. Pioli included.

Unfortunately, Clark Hunt isn't Steven Ross/Wayne Huizenga or Randy Lerner or Dan Snyder, etc.

Hunt would probably stick with them for a decade without a playoff appearance, much like his father.

The Chiefs ownership sucks ****ing ass.

That's what people said LAST year.

I think you could add Al Davis in there as well.......

Dan Snyder? R u Serious?

You fired him on your Madden franchise admit it.

Yeah, that's just because we'd all built up two decades of hate for CP and 3 years of hate for Herm.

Yep and still no where to go... The bottom is the bottom....

Who's this "we" you speak of, Kimosabe?

I actually wanted Herm to return, not for his coaching, but for his drafting and vision of the franchise.

I guarantee you that had that happened, this team would be MUCH further along in terms of talent on the roster and player development.

I mentioned Snyder because he has no problem with firing incompetent coaches.

The "we" is the general collective of Chiefs fans and CP.

I lobbied for Herm for a long time. Hell, when I first came to the board I was probably a Herm-Lover by CP definition. But, there weren't many folks who were too sad about his leaving.

And yeah, if Herm had stuck around and ran a 4-3 with his players and had another good draft, we'd be better off.

But I guarantee he'd still draw the ire of the masses just as much as Haley has; if not moreso.

Are you watching this game tonight?

Zorn is completely reeruned and has been all year...

but then again, Snyder fired Marty, so your point is proven....

That made me giggle...

You a funny man...

The only talent on this roster was drafted while Herm was coach.

Pioli WASTED 8 picks (two for O'Connell).

Why you aren't pissed about this is beyond me.

And Zorn is a dead man walking.

Whitlock did have a good point. Who would want to come to KC as an assistant coach unless he was essentially unemployable anywhere else (Clancy Pendergast) or he knew he was in line to replace Haley? Do we really want Charlie Weiss or Romeo Cremel as assistants or as HC?

and things have been going absolutely swimmingly with that organization

Dude we have sucked for the last 4 years... I have given up...

Besides you cant possibly be as pissed as I was the day that Herm was hired....

Amen PRB... :thumb:

My biggest caveat for Haley is to show some NFL caliber class, raw emotion alone wont get it done, Todd or is it Gunther?... giving THE FINGER to a Season Ticket Fan, or any other fan, on (L.O.L) Fan Appreciation Day is BAAAAAAD... he owes blowfish private golf lessons or something.

And so is Tom Cable...

Ryan motha ****in Succop

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

Actually, if we take the word of our Minister of Information at face-value, all coaching/coord personnel decisions ARE IN FACT at the ultimate discretion of one Todd Haley.
But, our comptroller at OAD-CIA is a slippery fish, and could be embellishing the truth of the matter.

ROFL

HELLZ YEAH BOYEEEEE! Gimmie 'dat Long-Snapper at 5th Overall, I wants me some Kicking DOMINATION, BEEYATCH!

You know what this franchise needs? To fall into the next great QB in the history of the game in the 6th round. Then the 'culture of winning' starts to blossom.

That or start video taping the other teams defensive signals.

Jason has a point, and I cannot disagree.

This team has not improved in any phase of the game the entire year. That's quite an accomplishment considering how bad this team was last year.

Only thing I can say is we're not Washington.

the best motha ****in kicking game in the N.F. motha ****in L.

40 yards, 50 yards, SIIIIIIIIIIXXXXTY yards son! the kicking game be sewed up.

3 points bitch. 3.

ROFL TRIFECTA OF DA' FOOT, BOYEEEE!

Way to deflect the point.

Were you hired to be a ballwasher or do you do it willingly?

Whatever.

The Chiefs would have been in the same exact position if they'd kept Connor Barth.

Washington will turn it around much more quickly than the Chiefs.

Bank it.

Thus my statement that control should not be in his hands at this point.

The GM must step in and save the HC from himself, assuming Haley isn't fired (as he should be).

Who you replacing Haley with?

Marty

If I'm Pioli, I try my hardest to convince Clark to back up the Brinks truck for Cowher, just as he did for me.

But with this much time to survey the landscape, the Executive of the Century should be able to identify a more qualified candidate than Haley, don't you think?

After all, everything was rushed before. Haley wasn't really his guy, so this season was simply an evaluation year. It didn't really count. Everyone knows this.

Were you people expecting playoffs?

Your point was that he fires "incompetent" coaches, correct?

Beside the obvious refute, that he is the one who keeps hiring these dumbasses (therefore making him incompetent)... there is the logical conclusion that frivolous hiring and firing of coaches does not translate into success: exhibit A - the Washington Redskins.

We don't want a Dan Snyder and you are completely disenfranchised for thinking it... and defaming Lamar Hunt like you did earlier is ****ed up. You're mental, seriously. You're not thinking coherently.

we're not the ones overreacting to the season...

what's your point? I don't follow.

ROFL at Snyder getting rid of Marty when they were beginning to turn the corner.

ROFL @ SD for getting rid of Marty when he couldnt win in the playoffs... Then replacing him with Norv Turner....

Talk about your all time fail...

Poking fun at the intellectual dishonesty inherent in the rebuttals offered to those who have been critical of the current regime.

So why would Shanahan want to go there? He wants total control.

He'd probably get it.

Ya, that really did nose-dive on them :)

Marty built Turner a hell of a team.

Might not be so funny this year.

Couldnt you go out and get an up and coming coordinator or something... I dont think Cowhers ****ed up chin and ego would go together with Pioli....

The Chargers have a hell of a chance at the bowl, probably shouldn't be laughing to hard.

How long does Marty get credit for Turner's winning where Marty fails?

it was tongue and cheek sarcasm....

namely, you

lol. Ok. Let's see my intellectual dishonesty.

I mocked the sentiments expressed in several threads on page 1.

Provide evidence for your claim.

Sure, I'm down. My suggestion for Cowher is rooted in the fact that I have little faith in Pioli at this point.

But I'm open to any and all suggestions. What we have now, however, simply isn't good enough.

Marty doesn't get all of the credit, but he does deserve some. Marty proved time and time again he can build a winner, but his moronic coaching in the big ones killed him.

Norv has been doing a pretty good job with SD IMO.

Ah, **** You.

Lamar Hunt was one of THE worst owners the NFL has EVER seen, if not THE worst.

15 years without a ****ing PLAYOFF APPEARANCE.

Another 16 years without a PLAYOFF WIN.

THREE PLAYOFF WINS IN 40 YEARS.

You're ****ing stupid.

Um, no.

Are you serious?

Dude. You said that you want to fire Haley. That means you are the one that had unreal expectations this year.

wtf is wrong with you?

Um, no.

Norv took them to the AFC Championship with and barely lost without LT and Rivers on a bum leg.

They'll be there again this season and if they face the Colts, the Bolts are going to the Super Bowl.

Marty's a ****ing clown.

Marty didn't do shit.

An owners love for a team usually doesn't translate into success.

Emotion becomes involved, and when that happens decisions become clouded.

The only thing Marty has ever proven is that he can win enough games in the regular season to get to the playoffs.

Once he's there, he prompty shits his drawers.

Time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again.

So asking a coach to not be a complete idiot is having unreal expectations?

Just like in Cleveland and Kansas City?

I am not a Marty supporter, but give credit where it is due.

So, you agreed with my post that you quoted. Outstanding.

Yeah, that really sucked for Jack Kent Cooke, Art & Dan Rooney, Wellington Mara & Steve Tisch, Art Model, Eddie DeBartolo, Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft.

They all hate their teams.

What the **** did he do in Kansas City other than win just enough games to qualify for the playoffs, then promptly shit his pants?

He's Chuck Knox.

Have a little ****ing respect for a ****ing innovator, a ****ing pioneer, a ****ing icon. Respect what he meant to the NFL and the city of Kansas City.

Lamar Hunt aside... your whole "Dan Snyder" thing makes you certifiably reeruned.

Sadly, Snyder is going to be nothing better than Al Davis Jr....

I cant see him ever putting together anything of substance up there... Jsut because he is willing to throw money around and make changes without cause... Doesnt mean he will turn into Jerry Jones or any other solid owner...

My expectations for this year: 4-5 wins, but I said that we could have a terrible record, which 4-12 certainly is, and be markedly improved, a much, much stronger club than what we had in '08.

This was my prediction this summer.

After pre-season I throttled back to 3 wins, so I think my expectations were in step.

Should I not have expected progress? Should I have expected and welcomed some of the most incompetent coaching decisions that I've ever seen from a Chiefs HC? Decisions that question his competency on pretty much every level?

I'm to believe he'll "learn" when he's shown a propensity to make asinine decisions all year?

His single worst coaching display was this last Sunday. Game 14. 14.

It's not getting better.

Lamar Hunt meant something in the 60's in my lifetime I knew him as the owner that would rather make money than win.

don't jump in without reading the thread... he was talking about people having playoff expectations

I give him credit for picking this organization off the mat. It's pretty clear that it was Marty, and not Carl, who was responsible for the revival of the franchise.

Dude is one hell of a coach.

Now, come playoff time, it's time to look for option B; he's just not meant to win. Fumbles, fluke plays...story of Marty's life, sadly.

It makes you a certifiable ass licker.

Lamar Hunt went into the business of football because he was a smart business man. He invested $25,000 dollars and when he died, that investment was worth nearly ONE BILLION DOLLARS, yet his team sucked ****ing ass for nearly 40 years.

Go **** yourself, moron.

Oh shit; it's ON now...ROFL

Well, Snyder FINALLY fired Vinny Cerato and replaced him with Bruce Allen. The same Bruce Allen that helped build the Raiders of the late 90's/early 00's and Super Bowl winning Bucs.

The word on the street is that Shanahan is the next coach. Whether it yields a Super Bowl remains to be seen but I can you one thing is for certain: I'd trade Pioli and Haley in a heartbeat for Shanahan & Allen.

I loved Lamar Hunt, I thought he was a great guy and all that.

But he didn't really give a shit about winning.

this still doesn't explain how the people who are backing another year for Haley had playoff expectations... jesus, explain yourself

And we've done so much better since he left.

Whoa Dane, don't lower the booms on me. You are taking something I said and twisting it.

Hate their team? ROFL

In any walk of life whether it is business or personal, letting emotion rule your decisions will cloud judgement.

The owners you listed are the minority, and I will also say that they probably stayed out, or put their emotion to the side when it came to the big decisions on the team.

Jesus doesn't have to answer to anyone.

I don't and I'll tell you why: He won with Jim Schaaf and Jack Steadman's players. I think his personnel decisions are horrific and definitely on par with our current "leaders".

Spanos did the right thing in firing Marty. There's no way in hell I'd turn my draft over to him.

Mike Junkin at #5 overall? LMAO

And he has done just about as much in the playoffs since as well...

So whats the point?