Yeah, now I'm seeing why you spend more time at WPI.

He picked off Brady 3 times in one game once! Sure, he only got to intercept the ball because he was out of position but you can't teach that kind of lack of commitment to scheme. Intangibles.

So, it's impossible to tell whether or not Charles, Albert, Dorsey and Flowers are busts?

How about everyone's favorite kicker, Ryan Succop?

Vincent Jackson just had a great year and will get a giant contract, we're picking him as the guy to use to say the CB can't cover?

I am honestly Surprised that anyone is surprised

Off to bed. Night, fellas.

How many people gave a shit that the Cardinals almost didn't sign Pujols over a few thousand dollars of bonus money until he hit 37 homers in his rookie year?

I'm sure that the Post Dispatch, Bernie Miklasz, and the entire of the St. Louis media was similarly trolling for fan discontent by not reporting this when it happened.

Your the one agreeing with WPI...

Just sayin'...

It was just 1 of many examples.....

From OnTheWarpath to OnTheSnorepath.

So many examples that you have to use an ellipses with two extra periods attached because listing the names of players is too difficult.

Say what you want but he sucked vs Denver, Vs San Diego, He got burnt 1 on 1 vs Mark Clayton in the season opener. Those are just the ones I can think of off the top.

When did you see this better player? The browns game? ROFL Better potential sure i can see that. He has better feet. But better player at this point. I disagree.

And being a LT in college should mean that B-Rich would have better coordination, like staying on his feet and not on his ass as a RT. There's been countless times i would see B-Rich just throw his arms out hoping to hit someone at the initial punch only to see them beat him and he's on his ass.

Find 17 #2 corners that didn't have a couple of poor games. If you can, then we can consider Carr to be below average.

I've met you before and you're just a dumb hippy.

I've met you before. Tasty food.

He's average at best. I don't really care to debate Carr all night though the defense has bigger needs to address like NT, Safeties, and LB.

That crap you had years ago was when I was a BBQ rookie.

Because you can't sustain your shitty argument.

I believe it.

It's only shitty because you don't agree with it. Now go suck down more of Phobias man sauce.

Heh. Reaper and I disagree on everything but BBQ and beer. You seem to be a nasty little man. Apparently memorable as well.

No the dick ask for examples and I post some. He chooses to ignore the facts stated instead of debating them. Typical chiefsplanet poster.

ROFL

No its shitty because your whole argument is that Carr played poorly against SD, played somewhat poorly against Denver and had an average game against Baltimore. Not only do you not provide the nuance of factors such as Clancy's gameplan and lack of competent pass rush, you don't want to think about other #2's in this league (comparative statements such as "average," "below average" or "bad" necessitate a comparison to other players of the same position).

Your excuse was every #2 CB has a bad game. Carr isn't even a starter for any other team in the AFC West.

Ok the Chargers no but they have 3 1st round CB's..

The other teams yea he'd play.

I would like to seen an example of the examples you provided.....

http://profootballfocus.com/by_posit...=25&numgames=1

PFF's stats put Carr as the 24th best CB this season (Flowers #5). The only other teams to have two top 25 CBs on this list are Green Bay, Baltimore and Cleveland.

The game vs the Ravens he was burnt by Clayton, Chargers game, Todays Broncos game, last years Bills game.

And Brandon McDonald is the 20th best CB in the league right.

And 53% of the passes are completed thrown towards Carr. The QB's who've thrown to Carrs side have a 93 QB rating.

Brandon Flowers had 56.5% of passes thrown towards him completed. Even crazier -- the QB's who've thrown to the side of such a player as Nnamdi Asomugha had a 98 QB rating.

Sorry but I don't see how Carr is better than either of those players. On this list Tyrone Brackenridge is the 27th best CB which is bs. I would like to know how they figure passes thrown to a guys side. Do passes to the RB count when the CB is 10 yards away in zone coverage? I don't get it.

I'm calling Bullshit. This is another WPI lie trying to rebuild their subscriptions.

Carr isn't better than those players according to those statistical rankings. he is better in the two categories that you specifically pointed out, though.

Good question about how they figure what passes are supposed to be thrown into a player's coverage. I'm pretty sure that the stats on that site don't give a complete picture of things, but its useful evidence nonetheless.

Sweet, keep spinning

The deal is done

And why do you think that is? Could it be because Nick has no credibility and is a proven fraud? Doesnt that make you stop and think for a moment?

I honestly cant figure out whats going on here. Are some of you so hungry to bash Pioli that you would believe bullshit from Nick, or are you actually too stupid to know when Nick is snowing you?

Trot out all the sources you want saying Chiefs players were on the trading block. Have you really not figured out that all that does is give a con artist like Nick carte blanche to MAKE SHIT UP? He can (and did) float whatever bullshit trade rumors he wants, because nobody can say he made it up when there are stories about everyone being available. And to the five people who still pay him, he sounds plugged in and connected.

Athan doesnt have sources in KC anymore, you seriously think he has connections from the Redskins? Good Christ, this is the same asshole who a few months ago was talking about the Broncos trading Brandon Marshall for BRODIE CROYLE. Up until the trade deadline, he was still going on and on about the Chiefs trading for Anquan Boldin. Just tonight said he doesnt think Mo Carthon will survive a supposed purge of the coaching staff. MO CARTHON. Haleys right hand. Athan doesnt have a clue.

This is the guy some of you are falling all over yourself to believe? Comparing him to Bernie Miklasz, for Gods sake?

The posters at WPI dont even believe this story. ROFL

I don't blame Pioli. JC fumbled on every possession early on.

Plus if he had everyone on the team minus Cassel on the block, it wasn't like he was singling him out. He may have tried to make an active trade with Washington, but it sounds like it could have been anyone.

That makes it a little better. Like if Washington had been interested in LJ or Chambers or Albert or Flowers he would have negotiated for a good enough trade. Its not like he misread his talent level, he just wanted to switch stuff up.

Actually, no one has ever proven a thing, besides the fact he he isn't a great speller.

The only thing that has been proven is a readily apparent case of Stockholm Syndrome.

You're ridiculous. If I was being treated poorly I'd have left years ago.

A story like this might have some credibility if it came out around the time it was offered. It's 3 months later, and a whole lot of heresay, but it doesn't stop the anti-Piolites from forming a mass internet lynching simply based on the fact that the media said everyone was on the block at the time.

I think it's funny that you can pay $2.50 a month for ESPN Insider and get ESPN the Magazine delivered every month...but you have to pay $109.95 for WPI?

Jesus.

Well, it has something to do with ESPN having hundreds of thousands of subscribers and WPI having dozens. Have you ever been able to figure out how they can afford to give away USA Today at hotels? It's because the subscription isn't making the money, the advertising dollars are. We could go on talking about it but then I'd get frustrated and who wants to relive 5 years ago?

300 or so posts huh? I guess it did its job eh?

Didn't think of it that way...that does make sense.

How many people clicked the link? We can talk about it all day without clicking the link.

"in principle" still stings me too.

I read this thread and the game thread and it's evident -- and has been evident all year that OTWP has a HUGE vendetta against the new regime.

When a guy like that starts taking Athan's word as gospel...there is clearly an agenda.

And the trade didn't happen so it's a moot point...shit we were begging to give LJ away before he had his big 2005.

I mean...go read the game thread and concentrate on OTWP's posts...he couldn't get over the Castille play for two quarters and then every time something good happened it turned into Pioli bashing for benching DJ, or not playing Charles, or paying Cassel...and on and on and on and on...

If I did that shit, people would have been ALL over me...

But since it is him, it's ok...and Hamas and ROR stalked him with LMAO emoticons the whole freaking thread.

Oooooh. Let's all run with it.
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I don't give a **** if he did try to trade him. There wasn't a MF'er on this roster that didn't deserve to be on the block.

Charles will give us 3 good years and, like 90% of all NFL RB's, will be relegated to the broken down scrap heap.

Who gives a **** if they tried to trade him?

Nothing gets by you, Hoots.

:rolleyes: I believe you're a tad blinded by Pioli hate. Had this been a rumor of a blockbuster deal that would have weighed heavily in the favor of the Chiefs, you'd have crucifed Athan.

Birds of a feather...

this

I am wondering if some of the people here care more about them being right about the future of our team being hopeless than us winning games.

We beat Denver for the first time in a decade in a dominant game and by somes accounds we lost the game.

I haven't read through all of this, but I am calling complete bullshit on it.

This here.

In 2008 Charles had one good game, a 106-yard effort against Tampa Bay. Up to and including the November 8th game against Jacksonville, his numbers again were nothing to behold. Sure, he also wasn't a featured back... but the point is, no one thought he was the second coming of Marshall Faulk until he blew everyone away with this final four game stretch (143, 154, 102, 259).

So why are people acting like, "Look, once again, Pioli proves he's an incompetent idiot because he wanted to trade this stud!!"? Give it a frigging rest. You got one of the more promising GM candidates available. You got a head coach who lacks experience but has the right attitude. You got an improvement at QB--sure, maybe he's not Peyton Manning, but he's an improvement. You found a stud running back. You won 4 games instead of 2. You ended the Broncos' playoff chances. And yet you still find something to bitch about. Wash the sand out of your vagina and at least enjoy FOR ONE F**KING DAY the good game that they played yesterday.

I agree with that.

Until Twittergate, we all had no idea what Charles was fully capable of as a premier back.

All of this. I'm getting ready to call out all of the asshole MF'ers here who still show up to bitch like the **** rags that they are AFTER we beat Denver in Denver for the first time in almost 10 ****ing years. It's ****ing pathetic at this point.

Find another team or shut the mother **** up. Bitches.

Shocker. Everyone is falling in line...

Yup. Without a shred of proof this story is posted up and every Chief hater here falls in line believing it.

****ing morons.

this


and I'd like everyone who said "Charles is the next Chris Johnson" before the season started to raise their hands....

line up next to all the people who said Pollard was a great safety and we need to keep him.....

Let's be clear, IF this happened, it falls on Haley's head, NOT Pioli's. Same as the cutting of Pollard.

These guys are evaluated by the coaching staff, and the coaches decide if a guy is expendable. The GM just gets as much as he can get for a guy.

Acquiring players is different than deciding who stays from the current team. Especially, when you have no issues with the cap.

no doomy replied to you. trust me you have said it enough times that people have noticed. still doesnt make the compensation accurate

ooops otwp here's another reply to you.

this ... where is the proof that the Chiefs really did try and trade Charles.


it's funny ... because if this article said something positive like "pioli trade to trade for *insert uber player here* then some people would ask for 5 links of proof with something written in blood. But since it's another thing to bitch about they accept it easily and go off on another rant.

this is WPI ... seriously people are believing this shit.

Another "We knew all along, but we couldn't tell you" from WIPE?

Even funnier are the stupid MF'ers who believed it without questioning it because they want to hate Pioli and Haley so badly.

umm.... who cares?

it's true

certain people are just drooling to believe any bad shit about Pioli they can. Normally people laugh WPI shit off immediately but since this information says what they want it to say, they go off.

I certainly believe this... Charles was butter fingers early in the year... he wasn't dressing for the games... barely saw the field. I don't how this is a stretch to some people's imaginations.

It's Chiefsplanet. A place where you can find a bunch of womens arguing about something that never happened.

not only that ... but only reason that piece of shit rag WPI is posting this now is because Charles had a good game. If Charles had never gotten good they wouldn't of ever mentioned anything.

unless of course Charles start doing bad things and then they would of printed "Pioli failed to trade worthless charles to redskins"


Seriously ... attention whore much?

ohhh i was wondering why i felt so at home....

This x 11billionty

Sorry if I don't have a whole lot of faith in a guy named "assclown".

I'm gonna have to go ahead and call bullshit.

Claythen "almost age 30 and lives with mommy" = Assclown Jr.

Damn I actually thought this was a bump and was old news.

I have no doubt they tried to trade Charles and any other player they could get value for.