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Miles 04-11-2010 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6667094)
No wonder the Royals fans come into the Cardinals thread.

It's payback for all those Cardinals fans that invade their stadium.

That picture is embarassing.

Their last playoff experience was also playing them a ****ing long ass time ago.

DJ's left nut 04-11-2010 09:10 PM

Wow.

Win or lose, some great fight from the home 9 tonight.

DeezNutz 04-11-2010 09:11 PM

Denny Reyes. LMAO.

Bullpen is clearly a strength for STL.

DJ's left nut 04-11-2010 09:12 PM

Nick Stavinoah in to catch?!?!

DJ's left nut 04-11-2010 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6667200)
Denny Reyes. LMAO.

Bullpen is clearly a strength for STL.

Reyes is actually a pretty decent LOOGY.

But more importantly - two words:

Luis. Mendoza.

I was at that game last night. The HR ball he threw to Varitek was the single worst pitch I've ever seen in a major league game. 84 mph, no movement, belt high and centered. It was so bad that I couldn't figure out if it was a hanging breaking ball or just a really bad fastball.

Frazod 04-11-2010 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6667198)
Wow.

Win or lose, some great fight from the home 9 tonight.

God the Brewers must hate us. :D

DeezNutz 04-11-2010 09:14 PM

Anyway, enjoyable game.

And Cards showing much pluck.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-11-2010 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6667200)
Denny Reyes. LMAO.

Bullpen is clearly a strength for STL.

Big Sweat is better than you think.

Frazod 04-11-2010 09:16 PM

Oh well. Entertaining game, though.

DeezNutz 04-11-2010 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6667207)
Reyes is actually a pretty decent LOOGY.

But more importantly - two words:

Luis. Mendoza.

I was at that game last night. The HR ball he threw to Varitek was the single worst pitch I've ever seen in a major league game. 84 mph, no movement, belt high and centered. It was so bad that I couldn't figure out if it was a hanging breaking ball or just a really bad fastball.

****. You.

It's not my fault that my team has the worst GM in the game. What else can I say?

And game over. Still a solid effort from STL.

DJ's left nut 04-11-2010 09:17 PM

Jesus - good thing they had the dome closed.

Open that roof and that shot may have taken a plane down.

Not a good pitch by McClellan. Not good at all.

DeezNutz 04-11-2010 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6667212)
Big Sweat is better than you think.

I know all about that fat **** with the KC connection.

He's a fine body to have, but not whom I want up in that particular situation.

warpaint* 04-11-2010 09:18 PM

Good game. Stick a fork in Trevor Hoffman.

CHENZ A! 04-11-2010 09:19 PM

:)
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Frazod 04-11-2010 09:19 PM

I'll take a 4 out of 6 road trip against division rivals to start the season - plus a win in a game I attended. :thumb:

Now, back to Missouri.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-11-2010 09:21 PM

Kyle: Get your ****ing shit together.

That is all.

DJ's left nut 04-11-2010 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6667221)
I know all about that fat **** with the KC connection.

He's a fine body to have, but not whom I want up in that particular situation.

For one lefty in the late innings, he's a very nice weapon.

But again - how is Luis Mendoza on a major league roster? Brad Thomson would just be perfect for you guys and yet Luis Mendoza and the worst set of game-logs I've ever seen are on your 25 man.

warpaint* 04-11-2010 09:30 PM

Dude only Jesus Christ himself can explain what the heck Dayton Moore is doing.

raybec 4 04-11-2010 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6667230)
Kyle: Get your ****ing shit together.

That is all.

He tossed it up there like it was bp.

DeezNutz 04-11-2010 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6667234)
For one lefty in the late innings, he's a very nice weapon.

But again - how is Luis Mendoza on a major league roster? Brad Thomson would just be perfect for you guys and yet Luis Mendoza and the worst set of game-logs I've ever seen are on your 25 man.

You're asking me to get inside the head of a man who has made some of the most inexplicable roster moves that I've seen. And he's also someone who has entirely shifted his draft philosophy within the span of 3 years.

Mendoza is simply yet another symptom of the disease.

And the beautiful thing is that we have a manager who can utilize his already paltry personnel to its zenith. And that's why Mendoza's first appearance was in a high-leverage situation.

It all happens here, baby.

DJ's left nut 04-11-2010 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6667244)
You're asking me to get inside the head of a man who has made some of the most inexplicable roster moves that I've seen. And he's also someone who has entirely shifted his draft philosophy within the span of 3 years.

Mendoza is simply yet another symptom of the disease.

And the beautiful thing is that we have a manager who can utilize his already paltry personnel to its zenith. And that's why Mendoza's first appearance was in a high-leverage situation.

It all happens here, baby.


A man with 1.2 innings with an ERA over 27 actually managed to make his ERA go UP!

Luis Mendoza is the embodiment how the failures of the Dayton Moore regime. He is the living, breathing personification of the Epic Fail that is DM.

If McGwire and Bonds represent the steroid era, Mendoza and Farnsworth represent the Moore regime.

DeezNutz 04-11-2010 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6667295)
A man with 1.2 innings with an ERA over 27 actually managed to make his ERA go UP!

Luis Mendoza is the embodiment how the failures of the Dayton Moore regime. He is the living, breathing personification of the Epic Fail that is DM.

If McGwire and Bonds represent the steroid era, Mendoza and Farnsworth represent the Moore regime.

To be fair, you need to factor in a completely failed trade to give the most accurate picture.

Mendoza, Farnsworth, and Jacobs should about do the trick.

Jewish Rabbi 04-11-2010 09:58 PM

Good opening sets of series. It's frustrating that La Russa teams rarely sweep, he puts too much focus on winning the series and there's a letdown in the third game.

BigRedChief 04-12-2010 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 6667338)
Good opening sets of series. It's frustrating that La Russa teams rarely sweep, he puts too much focus on winning the series and there's a letdown in the third game.

Taking 4 out of 6 games on the road within the division is doing pretty damn good.

BigRedChief 04-12-2010 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6667230)
Kyle: Get your ****ing shit together.

That is all.

Yeah that wasn't good but he's my #1 candidate if Franlin falters. Although Boggs has looked good also.

Frazod 04-12-2010 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 6667338)
Good opening sets of series. It's frustrating that La Russa teams rarely sweep, he puts too much focus on winning the series and there's a letdown in the third game.

It's kind of hard to fault LaRussa when his ace shits his pants on national television.

And I hope somebody duct-taped Freese to the underside of the team plane for the flight back to St. Louis.

raybec 4 04-12-2010 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6667911)
It's kind of hard to fault LaRussa when his ace shits his pants on national television.

And I hope somebody duct-taped Freese to the underside of the team plane for the flight back to St. Louis.

I hope that was an anomaly and not a preview of how the year is going to play out for him. He's got shit heaps of talent, if his head's right.

Frazod 04-12-2010 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 6668009)
I hope that was an anomaly and not a preview of how the year is going to play out for him. He's got shit heaps of talent, if his head's right.

Everybody's going to have a shitty night once in a while. But he's also getting old, and giving up four homers in two games certainly isn't good.

Hopefully he'll snap out of it.

BigRedChief 04-12-2010 11:31 AM

Man, I'm going to have to go to opening day next year. Seems like a lot of fun.

New Hall of Famer Whitey Herzog will be honored, along with his 1985 Cardinals. The college of Cardinals will reconvene, wearing those snazzy red sports coats, and forming the most impressive and distinguished collection of living Hall of Famers of any franchise in baseball.

We'll greet the magnificent Hall of Fame seven of Musial, Bob Gibson, Lou Brock, Schoendienst, Ozzie Smith, Bruce Sutter and Herzog.

Jewish Rabbi 04-12-2010 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6667904)
Taking 4 out of 6 games on the road within the division is doing pretty damn good.

Oh, I know. I'm happy with the way things turned out. Still, typical LaRussa teams can't finish off sweeps, which gets frustrating.
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raybec 4 04-12-2010 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6668021)
Everybody's going to have a shitty night once in a while. But he's also getting old, and giving up four homers in two games certainly isn't good.

Hopefully he'll snap out of it.

I was referring to Freese

OnTheWarpath15 04-12-2010 01:48 PM

Brock, Gibby, Sutter, Red, Ozzie, Whitey and Stan The Man - all on one field.

So ****ing cool.

OnTheWarpath15 04-12-2010 01:51 PM

Cool to see that Pat Perry took some time off from the No-Limit tables at the local casinos to join the festivities.

OnTheWarpath15 04-12-2010 02:01 PM

Reyes had to be put in a F-350 dually for the motorcade.

OnTheWarpath15 04-12-2010 02:36 PM

1-0 early.

Thanks, Albert.

DeezNutz 04-12-2010 02:39 PM

Motorcade: boring as hell.

Pujols: ****ing good.

Frazod 04-12-2010 02:55 PM

And that douche Freese hits into the double play. Nice to see he's picking up right where he left off in Milwaukee. 4321

OnTheWarpath15 04-12-2010 03:08 PM

4-0.

Thanks again, Albert.

Frazod 04-12-2010 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6668794)
4-0.

Thanks again, Albert.

:wayne:

OnTheWarpath15 04-12-2010 03:35 PM

Good to see Ludwick wake up.

Oh, what have we here?

Albert to bat with 2 men on, for the third time.

OnTheWarpath15 04-12-2010 03:37 PM

5 pitch walk. LMAO

Damn, I gotta head to class. Stupid pitching change.

DeezNutz 04-12-2010 03:38 PM

Honestly, he should get the Bonds' treatment in most instances.

Chief Henry 04-12-2010 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6668810)
:wayne:



Opening day win with Phat Albert and the gang doing it right.
Words can not describe what Albert Pujols :)

Wainwright was nails and Luddy goes 4 for 4. Welcome home Luddy.

BigRedChief 04-12-2010 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Henry (Post 6668998)
Opening day win with Phat Albert and the gang doing it right.
Words can not describe what Albert Pujols :)

We may already be watching the greatest RH of all time. It's only been 9 years but he keeps this up it will become a concensus opinion.

DeezNutz 04-12-2010 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6669010)
We may already be watching the greatest RH of all time. It's only been 9 years but he keeps this up it will become a concensus opinion.

Slow down a little, Cards fan. Only 73% of CP thinks that Marisa Miller is hot.

BigRedChief 04-12-2010 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6669015)
Slow down a little, Cards fan. Only 73% of CP thinks that Marisa Miller is hot.

ROFL true dat.

One all time record fell today....

With 371 home runs in his career, Pujols eclipsed Eddie Mathews for the most home runs in the first 10 years of a career. Pujols, of course, is only seven games into the 10th year of his career, so he’ll have a chance to take the record to new horizons

Chief Henry 04-12-2010 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6669010)
We may already be watching the greatest RH of all time. It's only been 9 years but he keeps this up it will become a concensus opinion.



ALbert can flat out RAKE.

Darien25 04-12-2010 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Henry (Post 6669037)
ALbert can flat out RAKE.

I've never been one to sport a particular player's jersey but I believe I am going to have to change that and get AP's jersey because he is so amazing. Can't wait until the Cards play here in Denver again. Its fun going to the stadium and seeing it half full of Cardinals fans. Makes me feel right at home.

DJ's left nut 04-12-2010 06:36 PM

Freese went 2-4 with a double, no errors and a nice play in foul territory.

Stick with him.

Frazod 04-12-2010 06:39 PM

San Diego 14, Atlanta 0.

No, that's not the Chargers over the Falcons, it's the Padres over the Braves. And the game's not over yet.

The wife is pissed...... LMAO

DJ's left nut 04-12-2010 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6669096)
San Diego 14, Atlanta 0.

No, that's not the Chargers over the Falcons, it's the Padres over the Braves. And the game's not over yet.

The wife is pissed...... LMAO

There's an outside chance they don't score 14 runs over the next week.

The Padres are pretty awful.

Frazod 04-12-2010 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6669130)
There's an outside chance they don't score 14 runs over the next week.

The Padres are pretty awful.

So are the Asstros. I don't think they've scored 14 runs all season.

BigRedChief 04-12-2010 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Darien25 (Post 6669055)
Can't wait until the Cards play here in Denver again. Its fun going to the stadium and seeing it half full of Cardinals fans. Makes me feel right at home.

Same thing happens here in kansas city.

Stinger 04-12-2010 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Darien25 (Post 6669055)
I've never been one to sport a particular player's jersey but I believe I am going to have to change that and get AP's jersey because he is so amazing. Can't wait until the Cards play here in Denver again. Its fun going to the stadium and seeing it half full of Cardinals fans. Makes me feel right at home.

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6669308)
Same thing happens here in kansas city.

Exhibit A:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/209/4...36c006.jpg?v=0

Even though I posted this a little earlier it bears repeating.

:D

BigRedChief 04-13-2010 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6668851)
Honestly, he should get the Bonds' treatment in most instances.

Last year I got to see a Cubs vs. Cardinals game from 8 rows behind home plate, Here's a picture from where Pujols grand slam landed.

raybec 4 04-13-2010 07:47 AM

Brad Penny on the hill next. They owe him a W after the way he got shafted last week.

Swanman 04-13-2010 08:27 AM

Not that the first 7 games necessarily predicts anything, but based on what we are seeing, the Cards could run and hide with the division this year. For me the key is the production they get out of the 3-5 starting rotation spots. So far so good there. I think whatever happens this year it will be an improvement over the cesspool that was the 5th starter spot last year.

Chief Henry 04-13-2010 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinger (Post 6669318)
Exhibit A:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/209/4...36c006.jpg?v=0

Even though I posted this a little earlier it bears repeating.

:D

Looks like a HOME game for the Red Birds in Kansas City !!!

Frazod 04-13-2010 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Henry (Post 6669931)
Looks like a HOME game for the Red Birds in Kansas City !!!

To be fair, some of that red could be Chiefs stuff.

Chief Henry 04-13-2010 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darien25 (Post 6669055)
I've never been one to sport a particular player's jersey but I believe I am going to have to change that and get AP's jersey because he is so amazing. Can't wait until the Cards play here in Denver again. Its fun going to the stadium and seeing it half full of Cardinals fans. Makes me feel right at home.


I've owned two jerseys with pro athletes name on them in my life.
The two are Tony Gonzalez and Albert Pujols both are future Hall of Famers.
I don't wear AP jersey too often, only for special events. I did wear AP jersey Friday night at a neighborhood party and people kept coming up to me wishing they had one :)

What AP has done in his first 9 years is breath taking. What he could accomplish in his next 9 could be epic. AP is a treasure to watch and enjoy.

Chief Henry 04-13-2010 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6669937)
To be fair, some of that red could be Chiefs stuff.

lol

BigRedChief 04-13-2010 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Henry (Post 6669931)
Looks like a HOME game for the Red Birds in Kansas City !!!

yeah the Royals fans try to get something going like "Let's Go Royals" and the Cardinal fans take it over with "Let's Go Cardinals". It's both fun and embrassing for the Royals fans. I give the Royals fans props for sticking with their team. They rock as fans. But when your playing my Cards...It's on! :)

L.A. Chieffan 04-13-2010 12:46 PM

are there a lot of cardinal fans living in KC?

BigRedChief 04-13-2010 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 6670602)
are there a lot of cardinal fans living in KC?

yep, Thanks to KMOX radio's signal reaching most of the midwest, the Cardinals were the baseball team favorite west of the missisppi. By the time TV was invented the fans teams were set. A lot of fans come up from Springfield or down from Iowa.

seclark 04-13-2010 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6670676)
yep, Thanks to KMOX radio's signal reaching most of the midwest, the Cardinals were the baseball team favorite west of the missisppi. By the time TV was invented the fans teams were set. A lot of fans come up from Springfield or down from Iowa.

hopefully, kmox will get them back.
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DJ's left nut 04-13-2010 08:17 PM

As if you needed any more reason to hate AJ Pierzynski.

8th inning of today's game and Ricky Romero is throwing a no-hitter for the Jays. He skips a ball to home plate that clearly misses Pierzynski by a good 6 inches. Pierzynski starts limping around and acting like it hit his knee. Ump gives him 1b, Alex Rios steps up and smokes one into the seats to break up the no-no.

In a no-hitter situation, that's bush league soccer shit.

I hope AJ gets ear-holed for it tomorrow. You owe your opponent more respect than that.

BigRedChief 04-14-2010 06:35 AM

7 living hall of famers.
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BY DAN O'NEILL
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
04/13/2010

The "Cardinal Way."

You will hear about it a lot this summer, see it characterized in commercials and pasted on billboards. The baseball team in town has put forth the proposition there is such a thing, a discipline unlike any others, a method tried and true.

Clever concept? Madison Avenue musings? Perhaps some of both.

But when asked to explain 118 years of baseball, 17 pennants and 10 World Series titles, some of those who have participated suggest there is a discernible fingerprint, a Cardinal experience that is unparalleled and unmistakable.<SCRIPT language=JavaScript type=text/javascript>yld_mgr.place_ad_here("inlineframe1");</SCRIPT>

"You're talking about a spirit," said Lou Brock, who found the spirit after coming from the Cubs to the Cardinals in 1964, then rode it all the way to Cooperstown. "When you hear 'Cardinal Way, ' you know full well you're talking about meeting the opponent eye to eye.

"It started long before all of us. It was a scratchy type of baseball that doesn't know how to say no. It's a team that doesn't beat itself. Today, you see a scrappy player like Brendan Ryan and you say, 'Oh, that's a throwback to the old Cardinals teams. That's a dirty uniform, that's the 'Cardinal Way.' "

The personality has manifested itself in different forms over the years, adapting to different eras and unique circumstances. From Gas House Gangs, to El Birdos, to Whiteyball to Tony La Russa's Hard Nine, the texture has evolved. CARDS BASICS

Its creators included sage philosophers like Branch Rickey, Sam Breadon and Bing Devine. Its practitioners are colorful characters like Dizzy Dean and Pepper Martin, fierce competitors like Bob Gibson and Rogers Hornsby and wholesome heroes like Red Schoendienst.

The "Cardinal Way" can be daring as Lou Brock, dazzling as Ozzie Smith and incomparable like Stan Musial.

Long before he put his own signature on the franchise, New Athens native Whitey Herzog was well familiar with the "Cardinal Way."

"I can remember when I signed as a high school player, in 1949 with the Yankees, I was 17 years old," Herzog said. "The three top organizations were the Dodgers, Cardinals and Yankees. They had 24 to 26 minor league teams then.

"And those three organizations taught fundamentals better than everybody. ... I'll say this, and it's true. The guys who played for any of those three organizations were cockier than all the rest. It was different. If you played for the Cardinals, it meant something."

Jack Clark recognized the essence shortly after he was traded from the San Francisco Giants to the Cardinals in February 1985. A feared equalizer in the middle of the lineup, the slugging Clark propelled the club to World Series appearances in 1985 and 1987.

"The 'Cardinal Way' is respecting the game and the name on the front of the shirt, the history of the organization," Clark said. "Stan Musial is at the top of that and it filters down to all of the Hall of Famers and great players who have played here. It's the pride you to have to wear the uniform from the time you go to spring training, to represent it on the field and off the field, too."

Clark readily acknowledged the Cardinals don't have a patent of pride; other organizations value the same. But not many have the same DNA.

"It's just different here because of the fan base, the support," Clark said. "And when I got here we had a Hall of Fame announcer like Jack Buck, and we had an owner like Gussie Busch and they bring you into the family. ... You put it all together and it's like being in heaven — baseball heaven."

Andy Van Slyke advanced through the organization to play four years in St. Louis before being traded to Pittsburgh in April 1987. The strong-armed outfielder knows for a fact there is a "Way."

"For a very long time, the 'Cardinal Way' was the George Kissell way," Van Slyke said. "I'm not necessarily talking about winning all the time. I'm talking about always playing the right way, always running out balls, throwing to the right base, always knowing what you are doing before the ball is in play."

A legendary "baseball man," Kissell passed away in October 2008. He was in the organization for 69 years, serving in various instructive roles. Those who learned from Kissell hold him in the highest regard, and those who didn't the highest respect.

"In the process, you saw a lot of other teams respect the Cardinals because of how they played," Van Slyke added. "You talk to any player who has played for another organization and come over to St. Louis, or one who came up with the Cardinals and went elsewhere, and they really realize what that meant.

"There was a certain pride when you put on the (Cardinals) uniform, and I think players took on the responsibility for themselves to not disgrace that uniform and play up to those standards. ...

"It still exists and you know what, I think Tony La Russa has done a terrific job of continuing that tradition."

Maybe the "Cardinal Way" is a slick marketing campaign, or maybe it's something more. If you were at opening day, saw the parade of legends and luminaries, saw the red-splashed stands and soaring spirits, you bet on the latter.

Pasta Little Brioni 04-14-2010 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6672135)
As if you needed any more reason to hate AJ Pierzynski.

8th inning of today's game and Ricky Romero is throwing a no-hitter for the Jays. He skips a ball to home plate that clearly misses Pierzynski by a good 6 inches. Pierzynski starts limping around and acting like it hit his knee. Ump gives him 1b, Alex Rios steps up and smokes one into the seats to break up the no-no.

In a no-hitter situation, that's bush league soccer shit.

I hope AJ gets ear-holed for it tomorrow. You owe your opponent more respect than that.

Haha, I saw that. They had a live look in of that game on MLB network and it looked pretty obvious it didn't hit him, but AJ fooled the announcers and the umps with his "douche dance".

McWickedson 04-14-2010 03:22 PM

The Man doesn't look good at all. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the last time we see him in person.

OnTheWarpath15 04-14-2010 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by McMillan (Post 6674599)
The Man doesn't look good at all. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the last time we see him in person.

I've thought that since we've opened the new park.

Tough SOB.

McWickedson 04-14-2010 03:29 PM

..and he also deserved better at the All Star Game last year.

DJ's left nut 04-14-2010 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by McMillan (Post 6674622)
..and he also deserved better at the All Star Game last year.

According to folks close to the situation, Musial asked that he not be focused on during the festivities in no small part due to his declining health.

OnTheWarpath15 04-14-2010 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6674677)
According to folks close to the situation, Musial asked that he not be focused on during the festivities in no small part due to his declining health.

This is true.

I sat next to Bill Dewitt at a Blues game back in October and flat out asked him why Stan didn't have a bigger, Ted Williams-like role in the festivities.

Chief Henry 04-14-2010 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by seclark (Post 6670829)
hopefully, kmox will get them back.
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this....BIG TIME

Chief Henry 04-14-2010 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6672135)
As if you needed any more reason to hate AJ Pierzynski.

8th inning of today's game and Ricky Romero is throwing a no-hitter for the Jays. He skips a ball to home plate that clearly misses Pierzynski by a good 6 inches. Pierzynski starts limping around and acting like it hit his knee. Ump gives him 1b, Alex Rios steps up and smokes one into the seats to break up the no-no.

In a no-hitter situation, that's bush league soccer shit.

I hope AJ gets ear-holed for it tomorrow. You owe your opponent more respect than that.




I can't wait to see the high lights of this on MLB tonight. Since MLB came on, I hardly watch ESPN during the summer.

What is the "unwritten" code of baseball in this particular case ?
I hope his peers in mlb dump all over him.

BigRedChief 04-14-2010 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6674677)
According to folks close to the situation, Musial asked that he not be focused on during the festivities in no small part due to his declining health.

Yeah, he looked bad. I'd rather not see him like that. I don't want my last memory of Stan the Man to be him trying to just stand up out of a chair. He deserves better. He can't stop the aging process but I'd sure like to remember him as "The Man".

Chief Henry 04-14-2010 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6672743)
7 living hall of famers.
http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/...er625apr13.jpg
BY DAN O'NEILL
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
04/13/2010

The "Cardinal Way."

You will hear about it a lot this summer, see it characterized in commercials and pasted on billboards. The baseball team in town has put forth the proposition there is such a thing, a discipline unlike any others, a method tried and true.

Clever concept? Madison Avenue musings? Perhaps some of both.

But when asked to explain 118 years of baseball, 17 pennants and 10 World Series titles, some of those who have participated suggest there is a discernible fingerprint, a Cardinal experience that is unparalleled and unmistakable.<SCRIPT language=JavaScript type=text/javascript>yld_mgr.place_ad_here("inlineframe1");</SCRIPT>

"You're talking about a spirit," said Lou Brock, who found the spirit after coming from the Cubs to the Cardinals in 1964, then rode it all the way to Cooperstown. "When you hear 'Cardinal Way, ' you know full well you're talking about meeting the opponent eye to eye.

"It started long before all of us. It was a scratchy type of baseball that doesn't know how to say no. It's a team that doesn't beat itself. Today, you see a scrappy player like Brendan Ryan and you say, 'Oh, that's a throwback to the old Cardinals teams. That's a dirty uniform, that's the 'Cardinal Way.' "

The personality has manifested itself in different forms over the years, adapting to different eras and unique circumstances. From Gas House Gangs, to El Birdos, to Whiteyball to Tony La Russa's Hard Nine, the texture has evolved. CARDS BASICS

Its creators included sage philosophers like Branch Rickey, Sam Breadon and Bing Devine. Its practitioners are colorful characters like Dizzy Dean and Pepper Martin, fierce competitors like Bob Gibson and Rogers Hornsby and wholesome heroes like Red Schoendienst.

The "Cardinal Way" can be daring as Lou Brock, dazzling as Ozzie Smith and incomparable like Stan Musial.

Long before he put his own signature on the franchise, New Athens native Whitey Herzog was well familiar with the "Cardinal Way."

"I can remember when I signed as a high school player, in 1949 with the Yankees, I was 17 years old," Herzog said. "The three top organizations were the Dodgers, Cardinals and Yankees. They had 24 to 26 minor league teams then.

"And those three organizations taught fundamentals better than everybody. ... I'll say this, and it's true. The guys who played for any of those three organizations were cockier than all the rest. It was different. If you played for the Cardinals, it meant something."

Jack Clark recognized the essence shortly after he was traded from the San Francisco Giants to the Cardinals in February 1985. A feared equalizer in the middle of the lineup, the slugging Clark propelled the club to World Series appearances in 1985 and 1987.

"The 'Cardinal Way' is respecting the game and the name on the front of the shirt, the history of the organization," Clark said. "Stan Musial is at the top of that and it filters down to all of the Hall of Famers and great players who have played here. It's the pride you to have to wear the uniform from the time you go to spring training, to represent it on the field and off the field, too."

Clark readily acknowledged the Cardinals don't have a patent of pride; other organizations value the same. But not many have the same DNA.

"It's just different here because of the fan base, the support," Clark said. "And when I got here we had a Hall of Fame announcer like Jack Buck, and we had an owner like Gussie Busch and they bring you into the family. ... You put it all together and it's like being in heaven — baseball heaven."


Andy Van Slyke advanced through the organization to play four years in St. Louis before being traded to Pittsburgh in April 1987. The strong-armed outfielder knows for a fact there is a "Way."

"For a very long time, the 'Cardinal Way' was the George Kissell way," Van Slyke said. "I'm not necessarily talking about winning all the time. I'm talking about always playing the right way, always running out balls, throwing to the right base, always knowing what you are doing before the ball is in play."

A legendary "baseball man," Kissell passed away in October 2008. He was in the organization for 69 years, serving in various instructive roles. Those who learned from Kissell hold him in the highest regard, and those who didn't the highest respect.

"In the process, you saw a lot of other teams respect the Cardinals because of how they played," Van Slyke added. "You talk to any player who has played for another organization and come over to St. Louis, or one who came up with the Cardinals and went elsewhere, and they really realize what that meant.

"There was a certain pride when you put on the (Cardinals) uniform, and I think players took on the responsibility for themselves to not disgrace that uniform and play up to those standards. ...

"It still exists and you know what, I think Tony La Russa has done a terrific job of continuing that tradition."

Maybe the "Cardinal Way" is a slick marketing campaign, or maybe it's something more. If you were at opening day, saw the parade of legends and luminaries, saw the red-splashed stands and soaring spirits, you bet on the latter.



I love what "the ripper" speaks of in this article. Now he needs to go eat a salad !

OnTheWarpath15 04-14-2010 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6674761)
Yeah, he looked bad. I'd rather not see him like that. I don't want my last memory of Stan the Man to be him trying to just stand up out of a chair. He deserves better. He can't stop the aging process but I'd sure like to remember him as "The Man".

On the bright side, he was able to get out of the cart this year.

This is the first home opener I've missed at the new park, and I don't recall him ever getting out of the golf cart before.

DJ's left nut 04-14-2010 06:30 PM

Damn it's fun being a Cardinals fan.

Molina throws one away for an unearned run in the first.

Bottom of the inning - BB, 1b, 1b...game is tied.

These guys just don't go away. They don't take bad ABs, they don't give away chances. (Though Holliday swung at a pitchers pitch on a hitters count for a DP).

DJ's left nut 04-14-2010 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Henry (Post 6674753)
I can't wait to see the high lights of this on MLB tonight. Since MLB came on, I hardly watch ESPN during the summer.

What is the "unwritten" code of baseball in this particular case ?
I hope his peers in mlb dump all over him.

You don't bunt for a hit, you don't cheat your way on base.

If it was a 1-run game in August, perhaps it would've been acceptable. But this was a 4-run game in early April without divisional consequences.

It was completely bush-league and completely within Pierzynski's character. That guy can kiss my ass.


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