IIRC, he played all five positions along the O-line.

I really hope he steps up this offseason and finds a starting spot on the line.

Same with Brown.

I hope not. I'm thinking that the Chiefs bringing Wiegmann in is a sign that they don't view Niswanger as a starter. I hope.

Actually acccording to ESPN, they did pay him that roster bonus before they released him.

No link, just something I heard on ESPN radio.

I think Wiegman starts this year.

Really?

Ya think?

WOW!

Do you have anymore breaking stories or insight?

If so, please share!

I think so. He signed a one-year deal worth $2 million.

I don't think the chiefs are going to pay a guy $2 million dollar to sit on the bench. They would be dumbasses if they did such a move for that particular reason.

I clearly view this move as a stop gap solution. That pretty much explains the one-year deal imo. I could see them drafting a center this year, and the draftee rides the pine and learns off a solid vet like Wiegmann.

I read it on an online Indy newspaper. The article was saying they didn't really know what was going on with the Colts and Lilja. They thought it odd that they paid him the bonus only to release him a short while later. They noted that the Colts wanted to get bigger on the line and have brought in bigger players.

So did we get him or not?...

To the dinghy!

It's a done deal.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...3-a80fbb4e84b3

To the Lilja Pads!

Like any free agent this offseason, there's going to be some shady stuff involved.

I'm personally not a huge fan of the signing. I don't know where they put him, unless they're thinking of moving Waters right. And I still think Lilja is largely a product of Manning's quick decisions and blitz pickups. That being said, our Guards are definitely a whole lot better. And maybe Lilja is intended to be a stopgap. If there's any bright side, it's that Cassel has no excuse to fail.

They play a zone blocking scheme when they pass he ball too? Once again Weigmann was worse at pass blocking than Niswanger.

it's an upgrade.
and that is not a compliment.

"First man to make contact at the guard trap, gets a dozen Lamars!!!"

Waters and Lilja are gonna make for a lot of decent off-tackle yardage.

Really?

I think you need to watch 2009 game tape of Waters.

And from which side is Waters going to pull? The left. The left side with Albert is going to be good with this trade, and with this play.

I just still can't get over the way Carl Peterson shit on T-Rich. TR would have greatly contributed here over the past few years.

Good recall for a MS player with limited starts. It's also on the first page of his "player bio" on the Chiefs' website if anyone is interested:

"College Bio
Saw action in 35 games with 22 starts at Mississippi … Worked at all five offensive line positions for the Rebels. "

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Waters was extraordinarily bad last year. When Wade Smith replaced him, the line improved. His mobility has decreased and his body is beginning to fail him.

Expecting him to play like he's 23 at age 33 is ludicrous.

People break down. As a perfect example, Will Shields retired at age 33. And Waters isn't and wasn't nearly the player.

It's called competition.Makes players better.

Mike Goff made everyone better last year

The Chiefs offensive line went from horrific to sub-par.

Upgrades are still needed at both tackle positions.

Broken record.

FYP.

Three-year contract worth $7.5 million douchebag. Like I said about 2 million a year and you don't pay that for a FA that you plan to use as a backup. Now pencil in him and Waters in at guard.

What happened to Billay? He gets called out and disappears from this thread?

i think i saw a post from him a couple of pages ago, he just cant answer the question so he ignored it:D

I read through this thread last night and can't remember, what was the question?

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Talked to a former NFL GM yesterday and asked him about the Chiefs' Lilja signing. Said that Lilja was a solid player and would be a big improvement for the Chiefs. He then mentioned that he wasn't sold with Branden Albert as a LT.

Is this the question that hasn't been answered?

Dane, can you PM Billay an answer?

:clap::)

How is Carl, anyway?

Did you happen to ask him why he wasn't sold on Albert as a LT?

I'm really surprised by the huge analyst turnaround on Albert. The weeks before the draft, everyone said he had great feet and good hands and that he could develop into a good LT. Nobody, absolutely nobody talked about him playing RT in the NFL. Now, when you read mock drafts everyone talks about drafting a LT and moving Albert to RT or Guard. Guard is somewhat self explanatory since he played guard in college. I can rationalize that argument, even if I don't agree with it 100%. But, I can't see where the hell the RT talk is coming from.

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The thing that people don't realize is that when a guy his size (over 6'2" tall, over 300 lbs) loses weight quickly, it really does take them some time to adjust, and there is a certain amount of awkwardness.

Speaking from personal experience fat ass?

I really enjoy how you dumbasses just pull insults out of your asses without even the slightest clue about the person you are insulting.

I weigh exactly 5 lbs more now than I did when I got out of boot camp when I was in the Navy 30 years ago.

I was underweight when I went in, and added 15 lbs in boot camp.

I weighed about 30 lbs more than I do right now when I was at my heaviest, after being sedentary for a while after I tore up my knee and had it reconstructed.

But go ahead and be your usual dumbass self.

This is a horrible signing no matter what because Lilja was an UDFA and everybody knows you can only get good offensive lineman in the first couple of rounds

Douchebag? Really? I'd say another grand assumption on your part, but this one is wrong. Congratulations to you for being right about the contract, but try to keep it civil.

He only got one quick shot in.

Can't be any more civil than that.

This.

If you call someone out and you are wrong then they are allowed to call you 1 name, unless it's Dane or Hamas and then they are allowed unlimited insults even if they are wrong. Although Dane has never been wrong so that's irrelevant in his case.

Apparently you were under the impression that I give a shit about anything relating to you... which I don't.

Apparently, you missed the entire point of the post, which isn't surprising, since your intelligence level makes an amoeba look like Einstein by comparison.

Whats even more funny than you dumbasses thinking Casey Weigmann is a good player at this point in his career is that i'm Dane's lapdog. That's just some bullshit Adam came up with living in his grandparents basement.

I humbly accept my humiliation.

I like the signing of Lilja.

So are you going to answer Sautos question or not?

Casey is fine in the scheme KC will be running. He struggled in Herm's "power" running game here, but in Shanny's scheme he shined. When Mcfistpump switched over to power he struggled again. Centers also have a pretty long shelf life in this league.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but if you're going to throw out insults and call people dumb asses then at least have the ca hones to back it up. Don't just disappear because someone has challenged you on something and you can't back it up with a response.

You said these guys were not the best FA's at their position. If you feel that way then man up and tell us who is the best FA at each position in question.

I may not always agree with Dane, Mecca or OTWP but I always respect them because they have a viewpoint or facts to back up their arguments. You are coming off like a chickenshit by ducking this question.

Whats his question?


Weigmann is 37 years old and has been playing for a decade now so naturally his production would fall off. Also he's struggled aginst 3-4 defenses guy what defense teams in the AFC West run?

I answered the question awhile ago you choose to ignore it. If these guys were the best at there positions why weren't more teams interested?

Fraley is better than Weigmann. He's 5 years younger and can play more positions.

Judging by the interest other teams had in Chester Taylor you could argue he was the best free agent RB.


I don't know who the best guard is Wade Smith was pretty solid when he played, Chester Pitts, Bobbie Williams. Lilja is good IF his knees hold up but thats why he was released.

You never answered it with names until now. Nice job and for the record I agree with you on most of those.

I find it amusing how some people think age determines the outcome of how a player will perform.

I say reserve your judgement over time. Play the wait and see approach. Let's see how he does when you know, he actually plays.

If you think 37 is old, then talk to Kevin Mawae because he is 39 and is still playing the center position at a high level. The guy is still making probowls, and Wiegmann made one last year. Both guys are warriors. Wiegmann is clearly a solid performer given the right scheme. If we didn't sign him, Shanahan would of. Give the guy a chance. Age shouldn't discourage the common fan imo.

and all are basically a toss up besides fraley, who has played guard recently

I'm sorry but age means alot. Someone referenced Will Shields earlier he was a pro bowler his whole career but his last few years he was average. Tim Grunhard even said once a guy has played 8-10 years in the league they begin to drop off.

Is it the scheme or is it the fact Weigmann has struggled aginst the 3-4 and last year every team in the divison played 3-4?

What do you base this off of? He started 4 games last year. How do you know he's still better?

In 08, Weigmann was ranked way higher than him according to PFF. http://profootballfocus.com/by_posit...=25&numgames=1 Thats when Weigmann was used correctly and in the right scheme.

I'd rather have Jones than Taylor.


Still no definitive source saying that that's why he was released.

You'd rather have Jones because he's a Chief now Taylor is not. Let's be honest Taylor does more as a backup than Jones.

Weigmann weighs 285, asking him to play in a power scheme is a recipe for failure.

I find it amusing that people don't recognize that guys like Kevin Mawae are the exception, not the rule.

Age is an important factor, whether you want to recognize it or not.

You're making excuses. He's always struggled aginst 3-4 NT.

No, I'd rather have Jones because he's a proven starter. He can come in and play well if Charles gets injured. He's a way better runner than Chester and is only a bit worse in terms of pass catching. He's also a better leader from what I've heard from his former teammates.

let me preface this by saying that I would have rather have signed Taylor than Jones.

However, they are not the same kind of RB.

Jones is a better between the tackles runner than Taylor, while Taylor is a little more versatile.

With that in mind, Jones actually has some value as a complement to Charles that Taylor doesn't provide.

IMO Taylor would have kicked ass in Weis's system. He's great catching the ball out of the backfield.

Before last year he only had to face one 3-4 team(Chargers) on a regular basis. So you're saying in those few games, he proved that he always struggles? What other games did you watch him struggle in?

Typically it is, but if there is a position that allows you to play past 35 at a high level it's center or guard with QB right behind those.

True but if we have anybody catching passes out of the backfield, I want that to be Charles. More explosive.

I agree with milkman that Jones is a better complement to Charles.

So we are going to base the rankings of players based on the contracts they got?

Weiggman is a stop-gap player, who is here for one year and could push someone out who sucks. Is Weiggman the answer? No, but if we draft someone this one looks a lot better.

There is no world that Chester Taylor is better than Thomas Jones. Taylor has been a complimentary player for basically his entire career.

The Chiefs played this off-season brilliantly. They addressed needs without overspending and locking into ridiculous contracts.

I don't know why in the hell this is all a big deal. Regardless of Lilja's size or whether or not he failed a physical, he's a quality player who is still relatively young and played at a high level.

Someone asked if the Colts make mistakes with lineman. Absolutely they do. They let Jake Scott walk and he's been a rock for the Titans.

The Chiefs filled needs. I don't get the complaining.

I watched him play aginst Jamal Williams all the time when he played here.

If Thomas Jones was strictly a 3rd down back the last few years, he could have showcased his pass catching ability.

I remember watching Casey. Whether we were playing a 3-4 or 4-3 team. If they had a big 315+ DT on their line, Casey would have to have help. Otherwise he'd get overpowered all day.

It's not my cup of tea in how Scott & Todd are building this O-line with a our starting Center & RG being both below 300 so they'd better take advantage of that and be running a lot of pitch plays and screens this year.

i like Olsen ... scrappy guy

Nobody is complaning I was asked who were the best players at there position. What do you mean lack of interest in a player says alot. Jones was signed to be a backup, Taylor has been one of the best 2nd Rb's in the league. Like Milkman said their different players but what Taylor would bring to this team in the passing game was huge. Don't forget it was reported this team was intersted in Taylor.

Tim Grunnard is generalizing.

For the most part he is right since football is a gruelling sport that can provide wear and tear on your body. But it all depends on the person? Some athletes bodies can handle it over an extended period of time more so than others. I think it all depends on the position you play, and the amount of physical contact you put your body through, and how you take care of your body in the off-season, etc. Take all those factors into consideration and that usually determines the longevity of an athletes career.

Some players are more meanier nastier and dirtier than others and are willing to put there bodies through more pain and physical punishment, as a result their bodies have to absorb all the shock, and as a consequence they don't last long.

*Clearly, if Wiegmann is in the right scheme he excels. Place him in the wrong scheme, disaster.

Instead he's a guy whos older than Taylor and has alot more mileage.

Weis' offense involve the RB catching the ball a lot?

Serious question because when I look a back, the Patriots only had 1 year where they had a great amount of catches for an RB. So I don't see the need for a "great" pass catcher out of the backfield.

See Kevin Faulk

Kevin Faulk.

Yeah, he routinely had 30 catches a year which is average.

Like I said, he had 1 great year which he had 48, but other than that...



EDIT: My mistake, it was 2 great years. 1 with 51, and the other with 48.

My memory's pretty foggy, but I think they had more of a committee approach to it. You won't find one guy with a bunch of catches, you'll find a few different RBs who combine for a bunch of catches.