DT was always a hero and he wasn't exactly father of the year to his 7 kids with 5 different women.

Wow, not me.

I thought "Tags" was a jackass lawyer that only cared about money.

Goddell seems to care about the image of the league and to not allow it to enter NBA territory with its thuggery.

We're not, cause we're one of those teams, just like Buffalo.

We care what everyone thinks.

You have to draw a line in the sand. Anybody that gives up a first rounder for him is basically condoning his actions. Say what you will about his play, but a move like this can't be good for the image of a team trying to stake their claim in improving. An alleged rapist as the face of your franchise is a bad move for a team already struggling to bring fans back.

If Pittsburgh trades him they are looking at 5-11 seasons for the next 5 years.

How is Roethlisberger an ON THE FIELD liability? He is a 28 year old 2 time Super Bowl winner. Him getting a little on the side with a drunk slut during the offseason means NOTHING.

Anyone jumping around trying to be the morality police is not going to get a high mark from me.

Also I hope Pittsburgh trades him, I don't like the Steelers and their team will become a pile of shit for me to laugh at.

Anyone willing to give up their #5 pick in the draft for that ****tard is not going to get a high mark from me.

While he led a less than conservative lifestyle, it certainly wasn't illegal. And for the most part, people didn't even know that he had seven kids because it wasn't publicized.

It only became public knowledge after he died.

There wouldn't ahve been an uncapped year if Tags with in charge. Hell maybe that would have been bad. I don't know.....I'm not sold on Godhell....


PhilFree:arrow:

I have no doubt that Pioli and co. aren't the least bit interested.

But there would not be that type of reaction to the move. For starters, the city is largely apathetic to most things.

Any of the teams in the top 10 of the draft that trades for Roethlisberger sells at least 10,000 tickets the first few days after the trade.

Thankfully most fans don't give a shit about what guys do with their own time.

If you care so much then you frankly need to get a life.

Morality police?

Wow, do you know anything at all about either case?

Or maybe you think it's cool to have a bodyguard block everyone's access to a bathroom and drunk 20 year old chick, all the while walking around with your cock out?

Is it a bad feeling to know that ****tard is better than anyone to ever play for our team?

Nice Avi..i've always admired it but never said anything about it. ...Till now...Sweet!

And I agree.


PhilFree:arrow:

I think suspending guys for things that they aren't even charged with by the police is a bit much.

It speaks to the court of public opinion mattering more than anything, its like saying "act as I deem you to act".

This is the same city that ran LJ out of town for spitting and treating women like shit.

Frankly, you need to go **** yourself.

You are absolutely the biggest ****ing whining, moronic member in the history of this forum.

****. You.

:rolleyes:
Puhlleeze. You're sloshed on your own stupidity. Get someone to drive yourself home before you wreck your ego.

Hey the bitch was asking for it. Not Big Ben's fault.

He's black..

This is the city that thought Jared Allen was a saint after he ****ed up 10 times.

Only after he quit producing on the field.

Once the 1700 yard seasons stopped, people changed their tune.

We are on the same page here....


PhilFree:arrow:

I think the town would fall in love with him. Until he threw a pick. And then they'd call him "bINT Roethlisberger" or something. The off-the-field shit wouldn't matter an iota once the suspension's over, unless he got into trouble again.

None of us are really going to be able to answer this question because we aren't going to be able to examine the guy and see how this has affected him.

If this truly is a turning point for him... I think giving up a single top 10 pick would absolutely be worth it. The guy is a winner.

If he's going to continue to be an idiot every other offseason... then he is one screw up away from Goodell bringing the hammer down on him. Whether you agree with it or not... even I think it's kinda strange he got 6 games when he didn't get officially charged. But it is what it is... it's obvious if he even comes close to screwing up, he may get a long-term suspension. In which case you can easily make an argument that it's not worth it. It'd be a disaster. But we don't know Ben's state of mind right now. Which is a whole other discussion.

What? It did?

LJ cut himself when he made the homophobic slur. To that point, not much had happened.

Bingo, he produces is all that matters.

Dude, how many ****ing times MUST this be said: There was a police officer FIRED for mishandling this case. EVERYONE involved had a blood alcohol content of over 1.6.

It is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to prove rape when alcohol is involved. It's a small town with few financial resources. They made a decision to not take the case to trial because they couldn't win.

That does NOT exonerate BR from any wrongdoing.

JFC, Mecca, wake up.

This coming from a sexually frustrated jackass who is whining about Big Ben's sex life.

The fact you are so offended/care so much about Big Ben's sex life should be a red flag.

Damn that's a stupid statement. There are multiple HOF players that played for KC that are way better then Ben.

You have reached a new level of dumbass.

You really do live in basement don't you! LOL


PhilFree:arrow:

And you're a ****ing asshole

Call me whatever, I think if you aren't getting arrested or charged with things, that's enough for me to say, ok it was bullshit.

Under this standard you think anyone who is accused of anything should be suspended.

I think his play on the field also contributed.

Agreed.

I'm sorry I wasn't alive in 1960, and he has more rings than our team history does.

**** off.

You clearly don't know a ****ing thing about "Big Ben" or his behavior. You're just some ****ing reerun that worships The "U".

Again, go **** yourself, little man.

When there's a 574 page report detailing the night's events, I'd say that Goodell had PLENTY of reasons to suspend him.

Seriously, do you not know a ****ing thing about this case or are you intentionally being obtuse?

At least he actually was charged and taken to trial.

Deez, you should say Matt Cassel accosted you to get him suspended.

To the cost of tens of millions of dollars to the Los Angeles taxpayer.

Yippee!

:facepalm:

AND the steelers were involved throughout the process, and were satisfied with the ruling.

AND the players union isn't appealing.

Clearly there's some smoke of some kind there, whether there was enough for a criminal case or not.

There is probably some truth to that but alot of people absolutely hated LJ because of what he did and how he treated women.

True. They were discussing this on NFL Sirius the other day. They read it and said that there were some pretty strong and damning evidence against Ben.

They even said his bodyguard should have been arrested for being an accomplice since he held off people from getting near the bathroom.

I'm somewhere in the middle on this.

Rothlisberger is pretty clearly a douche, but I do think the NFL has gone a bit overboard, in general, in trying to regulate its image.

There are clearly people that think it's impossible for a two-time Super Bowl winning QB to do anything wrong.

:shake:

I'm the first to take that stand but not here. There's to much guilt...He's being traded as soon as possible. I wonder why? Because he's innocent! Right......


The Steelers Org knows.....enought to trade his dum ass.


PhilFree:arrow:

Honestly, as it pertains to the Chiefs, I hated him a lot more for missing that block in Dallas.

And for just generally being a pussy quitter bitch on the field.

This.

The guy that helped them win two super bowls is being shopped around. In the prime of his career no less.

There is a reason...

I never liked him. He never, for a moment, came across like a guy who ever gave a shit about anybody else on the field.

Let's see what all those Holier than Thou bull shit Steelers fans think after having the likes of Leftwich/Batch/Dixon under center for an extended period of time.

yeah that reason is called stupidity

I completely disagree, and it's never more evident than when visiting the 'Planet.

Nearly every time the topic of KC getting an NBA team comes up, the posts are 10-1 not in favor, usually because people state "I'm not paying to see thugs play basketball".

Goodell is doing his best to avoid that stereotype.

Homerun.

This statement is hilarious. Perhaps you're the one who needs to get a life if a Chiefs SB is so important to you that you'd overlook them having a rapist on the team.

And that goes for you too Mecca. Good god.

I don't recall and not trying to be a jackass but did he have any off the field incidents with women at bars from 2003-2005?

Dude...stupidity is when a guy gets into a motorcycle accident without wearing a helmet and nearly loses his life, his playing career, everything. After the accident, a reporter asked him if he plans on riding a motorcycle again without a helmet and he answered that he would.

This is the same dumbass that forced himself upon underage women in bars.

that too. Heck just reading up about LJ I totally forgot that he has been arrested 4 times when he was with the Chiefs. All for violence against women.

The NFL and the Steelers do not have the burden of proof through our legal system. They also have a lot more information at their disposal then any of us will ever know.

He obviously did something very bad.


Everybody under the ****ing sun that has any sense knows that Ben is very fortunate to not be in pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

Just throwing this out there.

This place was almost universally in the "everyone deserves a second chance" club when it came to Michael Vick - who was charged and convicted of his crimes.

This place is still butthurt about trading Jared Allen, who people seemed to have no problem giving a second, third and fourth chance - again, for crimes he was charged and convicted for.

Seems to me that people are all for giving people a second chance, provided they like said person.

And FTR, I'm indifferent. He's not on my team, so until he is, I'm not going to get concerned over it. However, I'm not a big fan of people throwing around the word "rapist" when the man wasn't even charged with rape, much less convicted.

I don't think so, but we were winning (somewhat).


He didn't blow up until 2005, so no one probably gave two-shits about him before he exploded onto the scene and got paid.

I think it's a smart move. They're the most popular sport in the US by a fairly wide margin - the ****ing draft, not even a game, is going to beat the NBA playoffs in ratings - and it's pretty clear they want to keep it that way by taking their public image so seriously.

And it's a proactive approach. The punishments are severe because they're intended to be a deterrent, to keep players from getting themselves into these situations to begin with.

After the first situation and the motorcycle accident and now this, I can see why Pittsburgh would be willing to listen to offers now. Nothing he's done off-the-field so far makes him look like he's a very bright guy. Hell, when Terry fucking Bradshaw's calling you a dummy....

I'm all for giving people a second chance, but Vick is certainly not someone in my book that deserves a second chance.

While the NBA might be too lax, the NFL seems a bit too aggressive.

Perhaps some middle ground is in order?

I actually like Roethlisberger, I just think he's thrown up enough red flags at this point to indicate a problem. Either way, I like him way, way, way more than I ever liked Jared Allen. I think I was one of the few who was glad to see him gone.

Ditto...I want proof of that statement.....If it's true I hang out with losers...


PhilFree:arow:

They've lived with it before and done much better than KC...

Not arguing the red flags at all. I agree.

The NBA is not near as bad as the NFL when it comes to thugs.

I think I quoted the wrong person...


PhilFree:arrow:

I don't think that's the perception, at least in non-NBA cities.

Mecca doesn't drink, but he'd probably allow Roethlisberger to get a little frisky near the La-Z-Boy.

Even if he's completely innocent he's now got a target on his back bigger than Jerome Bettis. What's to stop some money hungry harpy from banging a drunken Roth, claiming rape, and then landing a huge settlement?...

I actually wouldn't be opposed to trading for him. It's just the idea of trading a top-10 pick for him that I don't go for. That's where the caution with regards to the red flags comes in. Too high a price for what I see as a legitimate risk, particularly with the looming suspension.

But I do disagree with Dane's assertion that he'd be vilified here. As I mentioned, I think he'd be a hero in this town, at least until he had his first bad game. There'd be some grumbling at the time of the trade, and I think the sports talk stations would do their best to fan the flames initially, but in the end I don't think the majority of the fans in KC would give a shit about his off-the-field stuff. I think a good number might even defend him (as we've already seen on this thread, and he's not even rumored to be a Chief, much less is one...). In the end, I think it would all come down to wins and losses. Assuming he kept his nose clean from this point forward...

Perception is more important than facts to the Midwest.


Cowherd (I know,I know) pulled out a bunch of statistics the other day comparing the NBA to the NFL when it came to "Thug-like" activity.

It was definately eye-opening.

Agree 100%

I'd like some of you Ruthlessraper defenders to explain something to me:

1. Peyton & Eli Manning married their high school sweethearts, but neither have been in any trouble.

2. Brees married his sweetheart from Purdue.

3. Tom Brady banged super hot actresses (one he had a kid with) and Super Models (and married arguably the hottest women on planet Earth).

4. Ben Rothlisberger was accused of raping a VIP greeter and later, a 20 year old in a small Georgia college town.

Which of these ones aren't like the others?

Rothlisberger and Brady because they have more rings.

I'm sure I'll get castigated for saying it, but I think, despite the popularity of college ball here, that the NBA is seen by many in the midwest as a league in a "black sport" (or inner city sport if you're being PC), whereas the NFL isn't, although something like 70-80% of the players are black. I think that's what's actually floating under the surface when some people talk about "thugs" being the reason they don't want the NBA here.

Emphasis on "some". I wouldn't paint everybody in the midwest with that brush. Including myself, who has no interest in or desire to watch the NBA, and is not racist in any way.