Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 6707951)

So do you not agree that Crennel is better than whatever shit we had at DC last year? You don't think that's an improvement in itself?

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6707952)

our lb core is pretty much all ass

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6707945)

When the defense is getting gashed by Jerome Harrison type players next year at least you'll be happy grandpa's offense is back. Minus the mid tier quarterback of course.

Hey we lost, but we scored 40! That's improvement!

Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge (Post 6707951)

So do you not agree that Crennel is better than whatever shit we had at DC last year? You don't think that's an improvement in itself?

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6707965)

I guess no one learned their lesson from this time last year, when everyone said that coaching alone would result in at least 7-8 wins - and that Pendergast would be a huge improvement over Gunther.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6707965)

I guess no one learned their lesson from this time last year, when everyone said that coaching alone would result in at least 7-8 wins - and that Pendergast would be a huge improvement over Gunther.

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6707975)

Who hacked Dane's account? Seriously it's not funny anymore. I want to be pissed at him for being a dick to everyone.

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6707975)

Who hacked Dane's account? Seriously it's not funny anymore. I want to be pissed at him for being a dick to everyone.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6707965)

I guess no one learned their lesson from this time last year, when everyone said that coaching alone would result in at least 7-8 wins - and that Pendergast would be a huge improvement over Gunther.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6707952)

our lb core is pretty much all ass

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6707966)

But so was safety, nickel, offensive line, tight end and the return game before today.

They just have too many ****ing holes.

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 6707980)

This.

And what makes me sick is how the Steelers manage a ROTY every draft in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round.

Mostly OLB's.

You know, in the rounds we drafted Gary Coleman and ****ing Webster...

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6707984)

I don't get the talk about the "True Fans" and the "Drafturbators" are reversing roles. The True Fans are acting exactly like they always do -- they submit wholly to authority.

McCluster was a gamechanger in college, true. In order to be that in the NFL he will need to learn how to run a full gamut of routes from the slot. Is he a project capable of learning? Yes, I believe that he is. But is he a project worth spending the 36th overall pick when you could have addressed glaring defensive needs w/ 1st round talent (not to mention picking up a #1 QB or a fringe-#1/great-#2 WR)? I strongly feel that he's not worth the pick over the other, better (or as good at the least) options that were available.

I mean this in a totally constructive criticism way: most of you guys sound just like KnowMo in this thread.

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 6707987)

MCCLUSTER WILL OWN. WE SHOULDVE TRADED UP AND TAKEN HIM IN THE FIRST

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6707966)

But so was safety, nickel, offensive line, tight end and the return game before today.

They just have too many ****ing holes.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6707981)

Yeah, they do.

Unfortunately, they decided to fill the least important ones.

Please don't think that getting another nickle CB, TE and KR is more important that a front 7 player in a 3-4 defense.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6707992)

If we'd taken him at 5 the OleMiss/Saints fan would've JIHP. It would've been Reggie Bush esque.

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6707984)

I don't get the talk about the "True Fans" and the "Drafturbators" are reversing roles. The True Fans are acting exactly like they always do -- they submit wholly to authority.

McCluster was a gamechanger in college, true. In order to be that in the NFL he will need to learn how to run a full gamut of routes from the slot. Is he a project capable of learning? Yes, I believe that he is. But is he a project worth spending the 36th overall pick when you could have addressed glaring defensive needs w/ 1st round talent (not to mention picking up a #1 QB or a fringe-#1/great-#2 WR)? I strongly feel that he's not worth the pick over the other, better (or as good at the least) options that were available.

I mean this in a totally constructive criticism way: most of you guys sound just like KnowMo in this thread.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6707981)

Yeah, they do.

Unfortunately, they decided to fill the least important ones.

Please don't think that getting another nickle CB, TE and KR is more important that a front 7 player in a 3-4 defense.

Originally Posted by OleMissCUb (Post 6708001)

I'm not a fool. I wouldn't have taken Dexter in the first round. He went higher than I figured he would, but it's hardly worth pulling your hair out over.

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6707984)

I don't get the talk about the "True Fans" and the "Drafturbators" are reversing roles. The True Fans are acting exactly like they always do -- they submit wholly to authority.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6707992)

If we'd taken him at 5 the OleMiss/Saints fan would've JIHP. It would've been Reggie Bush esque.

Originally Posted by OleMissCUb (Post 6708001)

I'm not a fool. I wouldn't have taken Dexter in the first round. He went higher than I figured he would, but it's hardly worth pulling your hair out over.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6707994)

lbs are more important than nickel cbs, especially in a 3-4, and especially in te 2nd round, and especially when you DRAFTED A CB LAST YEAR

same for TEs...WHICH WE DRAFTED LAST YEAR


guess what we didn't draft? either year?

LB
NT


you can't just pretend everything is equal, because it isn't true

bad choices have long term consequences...that is why we have sucked for years and years and years...

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6708011)

Naw, I was just ****ing around with that post. Nothing personal dude, I really don't hate the pick. I think he's going to do well. I just think we could've done better.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6707995)

If Moeaki can stay healthy, he's icing on the cake. And we've still got two picks tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6707999)

I was watching the draft with a friend of mine, you know it's bad when we look at Baltimore and go "hey they took the guys we shoulda took"

Originally Posted by OleMissCUb (Post 6708013)

He doesn't look any slower than Charles to me.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6708018)

The Arenas pick was the one that really pissed me off. There were way too many better options than Mighty Mouse II.

Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6708020)

We traded up for a tight end. Again.

And that would be okay if you didn't have the first team Walter Camp tight end or the first team AP All-American tight end still on the board and it looked like both would have been there when the Chiefs picked in the fourth. But, instead, we decide to throw away one of our very valuable fifth round picks to draft a guy who has never played a full season in college because of injuries and concussions.

Bad ****ing pick.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6708007)

I totally get it. The drafturbaters sound a little like they're wishing the chiefs had picked for need, with a focus on the front 7. Which is eerily similar to "WE GAVE UP SACKS DRAFT AN OT!" or "DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS, GET A DAMN NT" instead of the normal "we're drafting at 5, you need to draft a great playmaker there instead of a ****ing offensive tackle".

Mostly though it reads like "I wanted playmakers, damnit, but not these playmakers".

As far as sumbitting to authority, I think you'll probably hear somebody argue that the converse is true and that the drafturbators are sticking to their normal MO of criticizing the front office regardless of what they do.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6708018)

The Arenas pick was the one that really pissed me off. There were way too many better options than Mighty Mouse II.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6708018)

The Arenas pick was the one that really pissed me off. There were way too many better options than Mighty Mouse II.

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6708026)

Everything only sounds like what you're describing it as if you can't read particularly well. Point of dispute: when we say need at 36 we're also talking about BPA at the same time - win/win, McCluster wasn't BPA at the time and Arenas was like a two round reach, no one would argue against an LT at #5 in any draft unless your team already has one - like the Chiefs - so there goes that mischaracterization, I know that I'll hear someone attempt to argue that some of us bitch about every single move the front office makes but I don't care because that is so stupid as to not warrant getting indignant over.

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6708026)

Everything only sounds like what you're describing it as if you can't read particularly well.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6708024)

But look at all those games we would have won last year had we had a KR?

Seriously, only this fanbase could possbily think that a slot WR, TE and a KR carries more value than a pass rusher, NT or ILB in a 34 scheme.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6708018)

The Arenas pick was the one that really pissed me off. There were way too many better options than Mighty Mouse II.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6708027)

The McCluster pick did it for me. By the time they picked Arenas I was already in "whatever" mode.

I like the picks more in retrospect, now that I've done some research on them.

Still not who I'd have picked, but I've never had a vote in the warroom.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6708029)

5'9 200 isn't 5'7 160

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6708021)

Bullshit.

The Chiefs don't have the luxury of taking an OLB with medical issues that may or may not play in 2010. That was the reason he dropped.

The Chiefs don't have the luxury of Ngata on the line that they could take a ****ing out of shape fatass with questionable motives.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6707990)

It is, it's Knowmo redux, "These guys are gonna be good just cause"

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6708018)

The Arenas pick was the one that really pissed me off. There were way too many better options than Mighty Mouse II.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6708031)

And that's why everybody treats you guys the way they do.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6708039)

But they have the luxury of passing on players like Daryl Washington, Donald Butler, Koa Misi, etc for a slot project and a KR, who's a marginal CB prospect?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6708021)

Bullshit.

The Chiefs don't have the luxury of taking an OLB with medical issues that may or may not play in 2010. That was the reason he dropped.

The Chiefs don't have the luxury of Ngata on the line that they could take a ****ing out of shape fatass with questionable motives.

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6708026)

Everything only sounds like what you're describing it as if you can't read particularly well. Point of dispute: when we say need at 36 we're also talking about BPA at the same time - win/win, McCluster wasn't BPA at the time and Arenas was like a two round reach, no one would argue against an LT at #5 in any draft unless your team already has one - like the Chiefs - so there goes that mischaracterization, I know that I'll hear someone attempt to argue that some of us bitch about every single move the front office makes but I don't care because that is so stupid as to not warrant getting indignant over.

Originally Posted by BCD (Post 6708042)

No one is saying that, but those that hate these picks are assuming they will suck.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6708036)

I exaggerated that. But he's a little guy.

Originally Posted by BCD (Post 6708042)

No one is saying that, but those that hate these picks are assuming they will suck.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6708046)

Gruden compared him to Ronde Barber and said he'd watched him since high school.

If that's the case, I'll take it.

Out of your list, only Washington appeals to me. And FTR, I don't think he's a "slot project". This isn't rocket science, it's football. The dude should be fine.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6708046)

Gruden compared him to Ronde Barber and said he'd watched him since high school.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6708052)

The draft is about matching need with value, the best drafting teams consistently do this. You don't reach for need or overvalue guys you don't need.

This is not difficult to understand, yet it seems to be for some.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6708056)

Ask the Ole Miss fan who's sucking him off

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6708055)

no, we're pointing out what terrible ****ing value they are.....but no one wants to read the ****ing words

we had top 5 picks in every round and passed over pass rushers, lbs, and nts for nickel cbs, injured te, and a hb that will be converted to wr....

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6707994)

lbs are more important than nickel cbs, especially in a 3-4, and especially in te 2nd round, and especially when you DRAFTED A CB LAST YEAR

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6708054)

Then I assume you're unhappy with Carr and Flowers? Because, he's the same size as those guys.

If you're upset they didn't draft a "big" CB, the kind that Gunther preferred, I'd get that.

But if you're upset they drafted the most dynamic returner in the country that also doubles as a damn good CB, I'd offer that your anger is misguided.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6708059)

And yet, the draft isn't a science nor are there any absolutes

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6708056)

Ask the Ole Miss fan who's sucking him off how many times McCluster lined up in the slot and ran a route.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6708059)

And yet, the draft isn't a science nor are there any absolutes

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 6708057)

He also pimped Tim Tie-bow and drafted the $#it-tastic-nasty that's put Tampa in the QB mess they have now.

And he's supposed to be a QB Guru...

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6708068)

We get it Zach you're above it, now you can passive aggressive yourself out the ****.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6708054)

Then I assume you're unhappy with Carr and Flowers? Because, he's the same size as those guys.

If you're upset they didn't draft a "big" CB, the kind that Gunther preferred, I'd get that.

But if you're upset they drafted the most dynamic returner in the country that also doubles as a damn good CB, I'd offer that your anger is misguided.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6708062)

Nickel CBs are extremely important in any defense, with offenses moving to 3 to 5 receiver sets. Washington was a horrendous pick last year. He's not the answer. If Arenas is a solid nickel back, it's an important need at some point. There's no way in ****ing hell you can beat a team like New England or Indy in the future playoffs when they have slot receivers that stomp all over Donald Washington all game long


Charlie Weis runs a ton of 2-TE sets and values TEs quite a bit. And he likes TEs with the versatility to block and receive, so he can be deceptive in his sets.


Not drafting a Nose Tackle surprises me. But again, you draft the guy you think is BPA. You don't draft a guy because he's there. A lot of scouts seemed to really dislike Cody. You have guys like Sergio Kindle who dropped b/c of concerns about microfractures in his leg. And you have no idea what these coaches value. Charlie Weis builds his entire offense around versatility. Go ahead and look up any site about how he runs his offense. When I heard we hired Weis, I knew Sproles was about as dangerous of a weapon they could find and I think there's definitely potential for McCluster to play a similar role. If he's returning kicks, lining up on 3rd downs, lining up on 4-5 receiver sets, and getting a carry or two, the guy's going to be a full-time player playing specialized roles.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6708070)

And as for the Barber comparison, he did coach him AND saw Arenas play in high school in Tampa. You can take that as a negative if you'd like but I'd prefer to go the opposite direction until proven otherwise.