Lets put it this way...

Rivers is elite...

Campbell/Cassel/Orton/Quinn/Croyle/Tebow/etc...

are all mediocre at best with upside minimal at best (most likely)...maybe one or two of those guys will surprise...

but I think it's pretty funny about Denver fans...

That team is a train wreck...absolute mess...I feel as if they could legitimately win 1 game next year...wouldn't surprise me.

They are TRULY bad.

I'll never forget the draft this season when the Chiefs took Berry (awesome!) and then I watched and watched and watched and then Denver took Tebow.

That was the best day 1 I've ever witnessed...it was amazing and a great experience for a Chiefs fan.

Denver's roster without Dumervil, is like a 4-win ±2 roster.

You think McCluster is a WR? Little dude will get broke in half if they are ever dumb enough to run him like that.
My point wasn't that Denver's WR are stud. My point was that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
And that last line about KC being offensively talented?
Dude, c'mon now.

Yes, if you add up all the yardage gained by every person on the field who catches a football thrown by Orton, you might just arrive at the total of 4000.

yes dexter is WR, look at the roster man

I really like Oaklands defense.

Hey when you have Richard Seymour, John Henderson, Thomas Howard, Kameron Wimbley, Nnamdi Asomugha..Thats handful of guys that could elevate the play of a defense and make the guys around them better.

Yeah they have a few question marks...i.e., Michael Huff needs to step up his game, although at this point in his career I think he is what he is. Campbell is not the answer, but he is definately better than what they previously had. McFadden needs to breakout. If McClain can be the real deal they may be onto something.

Really dude.....come on now.

QB - It's a wash. I wouldn't really want Cassel OR Orton leading my team.
RB - Chiefs
WRs - Chiefs
TEs - Wash for right now.

Here's how I rank the starting QBs in the AFC West.

1. Rivers
2. Cassel
3. Campbell
4. Orton

Running backs
1. Charles
2. Thomas Jones
3. Sproles
4. Moreno, Mathews, McFadden

Wide Receivers
1. Vincent Jackson
2. Dwayne Bowe
3. Malcom Floyd
4. Louis Murphy
5. Legedu Naanee
6. Eddie Royal
7. Chris Chambers
8. Brandon Stokley

Tight Ends
1. Gates
2. Miller
3. Graham
4. ????

I don't believe there is much chance of anyone getting past SD. Looks like wishful thinking for all the other three. I do think that Oakland comes in second. Then a toss-up between us and Denver as to who clicks as a team more as the season progresses. Denver having the injury bug hit early doesn't make them look real promising right now. I would just guess SD, Oak, KC, Denver. I don't even feel at all comfortable with that order, because I am thinking something surprising happens with one of the bottom three, but not nearly enough to get past Rivers and Co.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

**** Denver....

Seriously, **** em.....hard........in the ass.

WRs-Denver
OL-Denver
RB-KC
TE-I honestly don't know
QB-We'll see

The little dude is going to play at WR? You sure about that?

I agree. I think it's possible for Campbell to lead that offense to respectability this year.. He's got the talent. I don't think he ever fit in WAS. If it was WAS that was really the problem with Campbell, then he could do well with a change of scenery... Even going to the black shithole...

I'd take him over Cassel.......

Yeah, like a slot receiver a la Wes Welker....the Chiefs are hoping he turns out just as good.

ROFL

They're DOOMed

I think Eddie Royall is being underestimated. He's pretty talented and has put up some amazing performances on occasion. He really went to shit last season compared to the season before. But I think he has some real potential.

I like Eddie Royal. But he's not a #1 WR and Orton doesn't like throwing his way. Eddie Royal is a good #2 or a great #3.

The reality is that KC has been one of the worst teams in the NFL for the last few years. Although you may think KC has talent at certain positions the record book shows otherwise. The sustained losing effort that has been the Chiefs give you grounds to say nothing. When your team has been as bad as it has for as long as it has you can't claim anything.
Let KC prove it has an offense, prove it has a WR corp, prove it has a defense by winning and THEN start talking.

Oh I'm pretty sure.......


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Oh, got ya. They better hope he doesn't take too many direct hits.

ROFL College highlights

I'd rather have Royal than any WR on our roster. jmo

What? :spock:

i dont get it....

QB - TIE (they both suck)
RB - KC
WR - KC (trading Marshall = FAIL)
TE - TIE
OL - DEN (this could change)
DL - TIE - they both suck
LB - KC (w/o Dumerville, gotta give this to KC)
Secondary - DEN (this could change, Bdawk is a brokedick)

ST - KC

pretty sure that was a chiefs broncos game.

not sure what you meant there.

And the reality is that Denver is getting completely torn apart by their coach and injuries. Orton is ****ing pathetic, you expect Lendale White to run like he did at USC and you're expecting Royal and an option WR to go out there and produce. The Broncos are on their way down....it's time to accept it.

giving the secondary to them? really? i mean i have respect for dawkins and Champ but dawkins is on the decline and while still good i think champ is to i would have to take our YOUNG sec over theres imo

You don't think a majority of Royal's success was due to having Brandon Marshall on the other side?

we have 2 rookie safeties, Carr isn't anything special to be honest, as much praise as he gets around here. Flowers is solid, but he's no pro bowler by any means. He can get to that level, hopefully this season, im just calling it how i see it.

I think it's hilarious that the Broncos want to hang their hat on SB victories over 10 years ago like I should give a flying **** about them now when both teams suck.

This is a Chiefs board. If you want to partake in a Blue and Orange circle jerk, get back over to Orange Mane.

We can say that our team kicked the **** out of your team the last time they played.

You're going to see how much Champ has aged without Nolan and Dumervil. The Broncos hardly have a better secondary than the Chiefs.

Sorry. I don't look at clips that people post. I thought you were posting highlights from a rookie that hasn't played yet. Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong guy.

Why? Royal is nothing special.

Again, when you are on a streak as pathetic as KC has been on you need to win for a couple of years before you can utter a word.

Denver's worst season in the past few years has been better than the Chief's best. That is fact.
What you are doing is speculating, which is all you have.
Weak.

eh ill give ya the benefit of the doubt i do think we will have the better secondary by mid season though.

If McCluster could be as good as Royal, I'd be thrilled. The problem, however, is that Denver is going to have to try and use Royal as a #1, where DMC is clearly meant to be #2 (or even #3). Royal is going to struggle a lot this year with Marshall gone, IMO.

Denver is hoping the rookie WR they drafted out of GA Tech is going to be able to play. Given his history I have my doubts but who knows?
This time of year everyone has hopes for their rookies. We'll see.

You're post was making reference to the guy's size.

I was showing you that it doesn't matter how big that "little guy" is, if he can juke your entire defense which I'm sure at some point he will, it's damn fine by me.

when was the last time the donkeys went to the playoffs? oh yea 05... last time the chiefs went to the playoffs 06.. so yea the last years have BLOWN for us but dont start to think you guys are any measurable amount better then us your coach has DESTROYED your team the past 2 off seasons so now you get to understand what a herm edwards era feels like

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I won't disagree w/ that at all. That's why I said it could change.

I totally expect our secondary to be better as the season goes on.

:eek:

That first cut just got him like 15 extra yards LOL

He threw for 3,800 yards last year and had a broken finger for the first 6 weeks of the season and then injured his ankle in week 9.

Royal is going to be doing the Wes Welker role this season. He will have a 1,000 season now that Marshall is gone.

FYP

And then there were three. The AFC West crown is now between the Chiefs, Raiders and Chargers.

So, you are saying he's injury prone then.

Dang. I can't wait to see him play this year

He was also throwing to Marshall for 30% of those with 500 of those being YAC. I think the Marshall factor helped more than the finger thing hurt.

Well , Iguess McDumbass doesn't have much confidence in them as Denver signed two more today.

Let's have this conversation at the end of the season.

Nobody should take the Broncos' offense seriously until they upgrade the QB position. Orton is shit. They're thin at WR, RB and FB, although they drafted a good FB in Tim Tebow.

We put a WR on IR and cut another WR today.

that's sweet

i am ready for some football

So I guess after his finger got healed up is when they started their losing streak ! ROFL

They're also thin at the HC position.

Actually they put Mcdaniels brain on IR today...

Out for the season

I love how Donkey fans can argue that McCluster isn't big enough to play slot receiver while at the same time arguing about how great their #1 receiver is without mentioning that only 10 pounds seperate the two.

Never underestimate the dumbassery of Donks fans

Karma's a bitch!

LMAO

Before this injury, I saw Denver as a 7-9 or 8-8 team. Now, they'll be lucky win 4 this yr.

ROFL Comedy gold!

:facepalm:

Uhh, if Orton throwsfor that much means your team sucks..

Your team is worse this year then last, especially with the injuries and loss of players.. add the fact you finished 2-8 after the miracle 6-0 start.. What the **** are you smoking..

The league more then likely will look like this

9-7
8-8
6-10
5-11

Guess what, there is a really good chance your team will be one of the last two spots.. The whole division looks comparable and weak..

SD is not a great team, they have not been for years.. They are just a good team in a crap division.. This year I think they have fallen back and a few teams have gotten better(Oak, KC) and Den has gotten worse..

It should be a ugly fight for division lead imo..

When have the Donks been to the playoffs??

Denver has shown as much as the Chiefs the past few years, a lot of nothing.. Must be proud of all of those 8-8 seasons.. Hell at least KC is trying to build from the ground up.. You all had franchise players on your team and jettisoned them..

You guys no longer have an offense, you no longer the WR, and prove your defense will be able to survive without your best player until Dec..

Denver has legit talent at one position on offense, and that is LT. He's hurt.

Looks like this may just spell Dumervil for the Broncos.

Cmon, it had to be said.

They are DOOMed now.

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That actually really is KnowMo

I knew it.

Even though Campbell isn't that great Oakland will be playing offense with 11 players now instead of 10 like past 3 years.

Hey Summer'sEve, how many games will the Raiders win this year?

Underestimating Brandon Lloyd? How could one underestimate someone who is shit?

You gotta love this time of year ... wild bickering between fans of teams that have done nothing in recent years and both have huge hills to climb to get better.

Bottom line - SD still has the most proven talent in the division. That being said, winning the AFCW is fine - but it is not as difficult as it has been in previous decades. The division as a whole has been terribly down, but injuries aside ... I do think that the other 3 have been making strong moves to improve.

Denver had another makeover (trading players, older FAs, new DC) and now with injuries to key players ... they're road is more difficult now.

Orton, Campbell and Cassel are essentially the same guys right now. I think they're all in that middle range of QB. If the right weapons are around them, they'll do fine - but neither of them is an elite player that puts a team on his back when all else fails. You just hope they don't make bonehead plays that cost your team a W in a tight game.

WRs - another group that is pretty equal in my opinion. Bowe is likely the more proven name at this point, but that's really not saying much. I like Denver's depth at that position more than the others, but again... it remains to be seen what any of the WR groups can do, but I think they're each pretty solid. I'm interested to see what the young WRs in OAK do now with a legit QB.

RBs - no doubt that KC has the most proven duo in the division right now. I would rank SD next, followed by Denver and Oakland in a dead heat. Bush/McFadden get the nod with the injuries to Moreno and Buckhalter, but we'll see what happens when the season starts.

OL - if Clady can return quickly, he's the key to making this group (potentially) the best in the division. I don't know enough really about the other guys on the other 3 teams, but I think each of the 4 teams has concerns, neither has an elite OL right now.

Defense - the biggest crapshoot of them all... the loss of Doom really stings for Denver because he was the rock of stability with all the change and now he's gone. I don't think Denver is void of talent though, but they've done nothing consistently good for several years, so the jury is still out. I think things are pretty even defensively within the division.

Honestly, I think it's all a bit pointless at this time to get too caught up with projected finishes for the AFCW teams. But, it's a message board, we're all diehard fans, so it's cool.

SD is the team to beat, even with the issues they have... and I think it's going to be asking a lot for either of the other 3 teams to hit 9 wins. Could 1 or 2 get there - maybe, but this division is still 1-2 years away from being considered a strong division.

Ok - you can get back to kicking KnowMo in the nuts...

For the most part I agree. SD is the early favorite but if they falter at all anyone could win the division.

Mostly because this year it's a sucky division. Again.