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Well, I don't see how they can just keep him and pretend like Childress didn't say he was gone. No way Moss doesn't get released. It's just a matter of making it official.
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So the question is - and this is the question Pioli and Haley would theoretically have to figure out - do Moss' positives (talent...) outweigh his negatives (...) for a team like Kansas City where they are *right now*? I think if I'm a veteran playoff team with an established core of players, I'm on the phone already (let's say Moss joins Manning in Indy...). If I'm us, I just don't know. I'm glad it's not a decision I have to make. |
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Don't like this. Not one bit.
We're doing a great job of teaching these young kids really great habits. Mistake-free football and playing your ****ing ass off every single down. Our best chance of winning this year is conditioning, hustle, and discipline. What Moss does for our team is give us a legit deep threat and open underneath stuff for McCluster, where I think he could be an absolute demon. Here's the rub. We are a great run offense with receivers who block the shit out of defenses--Moss doesn't block. Moss' only route that he runs well is a 9 route deep--we don't have a QB who can get it to him consistently and accurately. Our offense is built around chewing time off the clock. We will not win in a shootout--Moss' only reason for being is to be the deep guy. Our goal is to win playoff games--Moss isn't a guy who has shown he will put in an A effort when it matters most. Then add in the fact that he's a walking distraction, doesn't seem to care about the game anymore, doesn't really care about winning, and his attitude could completely undermine some of the great leadership we have in the locker room. Surprised we'd want to compromise that so we can win a few more regular season games today... maybe. |
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In fact, it's why you're usually wrong. This has nothing to do with winning a few more regular season games. It has absolutely everything to do with winning a playoff game and being a true threat to do damage against good teams. Can you imagine how different the Indy game is if Moss is going up for that jump ball instead of Bowe? Don't you think we could've put the Houston game out of reach? Winning 3 games in January against premier opponents is a very difficult task and it's not something you're going to do with an offense that presents absolutely no threat further downfield than 15 yards. Safeties will crash the box, LBs won't respect the seams, corners will press cover so they can offer better run support. You cannot afford to be one-dimensional against good teams and this move would help us eliminate that. It's not about winning regular season games. It's about being relevant in January - a feeling we haven't had in 40 years and something that's not likely to happen with the philosophy you're espousing. |
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P.S. I think he will probably be a Colt or Seahawk
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I think his attitude does suck at times, but I've yet to see a team that completely folded because of Randy. This team needs a verticle threat in the worst way. It's the perfect talent fit. |
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I didn't watch the Pats game, but unless he tanked the game on purpose so the Pats would win is about the only way I would support Minnesota just flat out waiving Moss. It's just stupid. Now they gave the Patriots a 3rd round draft pick w/out getting anything in return. |
IMO I can see Miami taking him off of waivers so the Jets and or Patriots can't sign him ..........
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I'd bust ten nuts. But I'd rather him be a Chief. |
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What we are is a young team with tremendous character that plays their asses off and wins games by controlling the clock and running the ball down the other team's throats. I am of the school that douchebaggery is contagious. Any team person knows this. A guy who doesn't give a shit about practice, doesn't give a shit about winning, doesn't give a shit about the game anymore, and gives inconsistent effort on the field is going to rub off in some way. Even if it's from frustration of his teammates or distraction. Or even if it's teaching young kids taht you can get away with that because you have god-given talent. Even slightly. Let's not forget the team is filled with a lot of guys who are young and very impressionable. I also don't know how you think there is any guarantee that Moss is going to care enough about winning or putting the effort to win when it matters most. In the heat of a run, I dont' want to worry about whether our receiver is going to care enough to play or whether he runs off his mouth and throws his coaching staff under the bus because he didn't like a playcall as he did Childress. I don't want guys like Charles and Flowers and Carr to have to answer week after week how they responded to some comment that Moss made in the media. It's not worth it. Not at this stage in his career, and not at this stage of the Chiefs' rebuild. He's not a magic bullet. |
Our old friend JW weighs in
Viking Voodoo wrote: WhitlockJason Jason Whitlock Schefter says Moss open 2 returning. Glazer says Vikes players livid w/Chilly. Chilly didn't clear w/bosses = Chilly getting fired, y'all. |
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hilarious bit on espn pregame
Chris Carter talking about how Moss is 'principled' while Jackson basically called him a pussy and looked like he wanted to fight someone.... |
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Since when did Moss not care about winning or football? Moss has always been a guy that loves winning and loves playing ball. He doesn't always practice well but he's hardly a cancer as his teammates generally speak very positively of him. And he's a guy that simply doesn't care about the bullshit anymore. Childress is an awful coach that runs an awful organization - Moss said it. The Raiders were an awful organization with no leadership anywhere - Moss said it. Run a good organization with leaders in place and Moss will play hard for you. Moss's contributions on the field would go much deeper than just "another receiver". Moss is a force multiplier. Like an A-10 or an Abrams, Moss makes everything you put on the field more effective if only by his mere presence. He'd be a guy that changes the character of the entire Chiefs offense and open up avenues that this team simply doesn't have right now. Will it guarantee a championship - well of course not. But in a league where parity rules the day, it could absolutely mean a win in the first round. And hell, if it means a win in the first round...what stops it from meaning a win in the 2nd round? It's a funny league and Moss makes us much more dangerous. If this team can carry a guy that literally sucker-punched his quarterback as a starting D-lineman, why the hell can't it carry Randy Moss? |
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Remember - he's not taking Bowe off the field. He's not taking Moeaki off the field. He's taking Chris Chambers or Terrance Copper off the field. The threat of him running past a corner will have the corner playing back far enough to be just as effective as Chris Chambers throwing a half-hearted block. We're looking for reasons not to like the guy and ignoring the things he could do for us. They far outweight his downside. |
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Be serious guys we aren't a good fit for what he want's and he isn't the type of veteran our staff seems to like |
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Would be interesting if the FO decided to fire Childress and keep Moss. Would be a better move for the Vikes, IMHO... |
Never mind, everybody. nfl.com is now saying that he wasn't cut. At least, not yet. It appears that Childress may be answering to someone upstairs.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...?module=HP_cp2 Vikings players confirmed Monday that coach Brad Childress informed them during a team meeting of his intention to waive wide receiver Randy Moss less than a month after acquiring him in a trade with New England. NFL Network's Michael Lombardi first reported Moss' release. Moss has yet to be informed by the team of his release, though he is assuming at this point he will be waived, a source with knowledge of the situation told NFL Network inside Jason La Canfora. Childress did not tell management of his desire to part with Moss, according to Lombardi, but Childress did tell the team that Moss would be waived. Childress has control over the 53 man roster. The league has released Monday's waiver wire to authorized personnel, and Moss is not included on it, a source with access to the wire told La Canfora. The deadline for daily transactions is 4 p.m. The Vikings could still elect to waive Moss later this week. Childress told the team he would do so today, but a source said others in the organization were not of the same mind. The Vikings acquired Moss, along with a seventh-round pick in 2012, in exchange for a third-round pick in 2011. "Randy is very sad to find out about being waived by the Vikings this morning," Moss' agent, Joel Segal, said in an e-mail to the Minneapolis Star Tribune. "He has and always will remain fond of the fans in Minnesota. We will let the process of the waiver wire take its course and we will move on from there." Segal told the Star-Tribune that he already has received calls from the Miami Dolphins and Seattle Seahawks inquiring about Moss. When Moss is officially waived, he will have 24 hours to pass through waivers. Teams can claim Moss and the remaining $6.4 million base salary on his contract during that period. If Moss is not claimed through waivers, he would become a free agent, but the Vikings would still be on the hook for the remainder of his contract, which expires after the season. Fox Sports and NFL Network's Jay Glazer reports that Vikings players were taken by surprise by Childress' announcement and are "livid" over the move. Childress and team officials didn't immediately respond to messages seeking confirmation of the decision. About an hour before the news came out, Childress took 12 consecutive questions from reporters during his regular news conference about Moss, his effort, and his mindset in response to a rant by Moss following Sunday night's loss to the Patriots. Moss, who was fined $25,000 last week for failing to cooperate with the media and make himself regularly available for interviews, stepped to the podium after the game but announced he wouldn't take any questions. He repeatedly expressed admiration for coach Bill Belichick and his former team, the Patriots, and criticized the Vikings for not taking enough of his game-planning advice. Moss had only one catch for 8 yards against the Patriots. In four games for the Vikings, he had 13 catches for 174 yards and two touchdowns. Childress didn't mention the move and said Moss was staying back in the Boston area for a few days to spend time with family. Asked whether he regretted acquiring Moss, the coach said "not at present." Moss, who was traded away from Minnesota in 2005 after finding his share of trouble and frustrating the organization with his attitude, expressed eagerness to connect with quarterback Brett Favre when he arrived and talked about how much he still loved Vikings fans some 5½ years after his departure. While his presence opened the field for wide receiver Percy Harvin, who has blossomed into one of the league's most dangerous offensive players, Moss never materialized into the deep threat the Vikings sought when they traded for him. His longest catch was a 37-yarder, and he was only targeted twice against the Patriots. "I'm definitely down that we lost this game. I didn't expect we'd lose this game," Moss said. "I don't know how many more times I'll be in New England again. But I leave coach Belichick and those guys with a salute: 'I love you guys. I miss you. I'm out."' Childress said Monday he didn't see Moss' remarks as "incendiary." The closest he came to criticizing him was acknowledging he could've caught a pass that fell incomplete in the end zone while the Patriots were called for pass interference. "But again, I don't know," Childress said. "He was restricted. If they called pass interference, there had to be some kind of restriction." Asked whether he felt Moss had been playing hard, Childress said, "He's playing hard when he needs to play hard." Linebacker Ben Leber said players were surprised by the news. But he didn't sound happy about Moss's post-game remarks. "It was just, 'Wow,"' Leber said. "Just because it sounded like it was unprompted and sounded like he wanted to get some stuff off his chest. He certainly has every right to do that. I don't think that's the way to do it." |
They just wanted the 7th round pick.
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Will it guarantee a championship? Even with Randy Moss, it's a longshot. We had one douche bag who undermined our head coach in front of our team. He was cut the week later. And good riddance. We seriously want to deal with this same LJ type headache again? A guy who's going to complain the day after a win about not getting his? A guy who will sell out his coach to the national media? A guy who is going to get into a fight with Tom Brady? This isn't warm bullshit. I've been huge on the bandwagon of building a culture for winning and I would still argue to this day that it is a HUGE reason why this team has started to turnaround. I didn't want TO. I don't want Randy Moss. I don't mind going off course slightly for character issues, but this is a whole different extreme. |
Childress released a statement that he's getting cut tomorrow. Waivers process Wednesday at 4.
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Yeah I saw that, we'd be 28th in line?
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Comparing Larry Johnson to Randy Moss?
That's ****ing comedy gold. Where has Moss undermined his coach ever? The guy is a competitor that vented he was frustrated with his role. Big ****ing deal. Again, some of you act like this is going to sink our ship. We are playing with house money. Getting a shot at Moss is like pulling a flush on the flop. |
I said it in the other thread. I think he does bring some good to the table, but he absolutely has a history of taking plays off. I don't think that's even debatable.
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LJ was a cancer that never cared about anything but himself....Moss loves to win
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Yeah, I don't know what he's done to be considered a winner. I definitely put him a level above Larry Johnson though.
For me it doesn't come down to Pioli at all, it's all about Haley. If he truly thinks he can handle him, we should go for it. It's definitely a win now move. He has the talent to do wonders for this passing offense. But Haley better be able to handle him. We are one of the the few teams, if not the only team, at the top of the league that has gone through this season without much drama. |
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Selling out his teammates, basically telling him he would rather be with a different team: “I don’t know how many more times I’m going to be up here in New England, but I’m going to leave the New England Patriots, Coach Belichick, man, with a salute, man. I love you guys, I miss you, I’m out.” Pro football talk quote about his decision to leave the PATRIOTS: "As one source explained it, Moss was behaving at times like the Moss of old, but he was smarter about when and where he would act up, in order to avoid creating tangible, public proof of an attitude that laid the foundation for the team's decision to move on, at a time when Moss made it clear that he wanted to move out." Throwing Childress under the bus: "I wish we could have had that three at the end of the half," Moss said. "Maybe could have been different, maybe not. ..." Complaint after a big opening day win in Cincy: "I don't really want to say here in the organization,” Moss said, “but I think around here in the New England area a lot of people don't want to see me do good and the reason why I don't know, really don't care.” |
Brad Childress is a horrid coach, he keeps throwing players under the bus to save his own ass, you really think any of those players have any respect for him?
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I agree with those who say we probably couldn't have him if we wanted him. It's possible that half of the NFL will put in a claim on him.
First of all, Brad Childress is an idiot. Nobody there respects him. He sold his soul and all he got in return was a $20 million hospice-eligible QB who texts pictures of his package to women. There's no rhyme or reason to what they're doing because they're in full panic mode. Heck, if he was being honest, I'd bet you $$$$ that Jared Allen regrets being there instead of here now. Everyone in the league knows what a joke Childress is, which in a strange way, satisfactorily explains Moss' rebellion. Second, in a year where teams are struggling to sell seats, a struggling team like Dallas, the Raiders, the Chargers, the Jaguars, etc...could sell some seats with Moss in their uniform. Finally, he's still better than almost any WR in the league. I'd LOVE him in Kansas City. |
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And Bill Bellichick and Tom Brady are a great QB/Coach. If there's any truth to the quote from that source, this wasn't just about money, it was about Moss acting like Moss again. |
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It doesn't matter how much you disagree. That's team sports 101. It doesn't matter how wrong the coach is. Challenge the coach in private. Bring it up to the locker room leaders. It's a distraction and worst of all, your players need to feel confident about the decisions the coach makes. It's called buy-in. When players don't buy in, they don't play hard. These are fundamental team issues Moss doesn't think about or give a shit about. |
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Brad Childress is quite possibly the worst head coach of all time. No wonder he never did anything with Philly.
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Moss forced his way out of NE and then saw that the grass isn't always greener on the other side and whined his way out of Minnesota. I think Brad Childress is an idiot but Moss isn't much smarter - now he's going to end up on some crap team that is going nowhere.
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Moss wanted a new deal in NE, they didn't want to pay him whats hard about that?
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With that being said I am torn on this and I will support whatever decision the Chiefs make. I doubt even if they make a claim they would get him anyway. |
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He will NEVER run block
He WILL half ass plays where he isnt the first option He WONT be a leader He WILL be a problem as soon as the opportunity arises to be one. He WILL quit when things even start to get tough. He WONT give as much effort as Haley would require to be a leader for the young guys. Need I go on? ...sorry if these are reposts. |
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It sounded to me like Moss was making lovey noises toward Bellichick and the NE players/organization because he'd like to have a chance to go back there when he becomes a free agent after this year (now maybe sooner). He didn't ever really want out of NE, he wanted to stay with a new contract. |
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I'm not reading through 300+ posts, and the OP says nm. Updates?
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There is zero chance he drops to the Chiefs on the waiver wire BUT For those of you who think the Chiefs wouldn't be interested that isn't true. The Chiefs were interested in giving a 5th rounder for Moss according to sources.
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Randy Moss: Randy Moss to clear waivers? Randy Moss - WR - MIN - Nov. 1 - 7:39 pm et NFL Network's Mike Lombardi predicts that Randy Moss will clear waivers if the transaction becomes official Tuesday. Should Moss go unclaimed by all 32 teams, he'd become an unrestricted free agent while also having his full $6.4 million salary guaranteed by the Vikings. Moss could then "double dip," tacking on whatever earnings he'd be able to muster on the open market. NFL Network's Joe Theismann and Boomer Esiason both also believe that Moss will clear waivers if he's cut Tuesday. Nov. 1 - 7:39 pm et Just saying...there are a few people who think he WON'T be claimed, too. |
Boston was the last team to integrate in baseball. Their racial problems go back a long time.
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I'm for bringing Moss in but I have no delusions that it will repair the calamity at QB. You could give Cassell Jerry Rice and Steve Largent in their primes and he would still put up similar numbers.
Case in point: Brady threw for 50 TDs with the 2007 Pats. With the same exact offense, Cassel threw for 21. He's being paid Peyton Manning type money by Pioli even though in his first year starting he couldn't even get to Tyler Thigpen-level achievement (Thiggy 22 TDs in 11 starts, Cassel 16 in 14). Thigpen was paid the league minimum. Moss could stretch the field in theory, but what will that really do, if anything? Can Cassel read a defense? Can he call an audible? Can he make his progression reads? What other QB in the NFL throws for 107 yds in regulation time at home against an 0-6 team with the NFL's best rushing attack and best pass protection and is considered 'successful' let alone worth $64 million? Not sure Moss fixes what ails this offense. But certainly can't hurt the league's #31 passing attack. |
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Let's look at the facts.
1.) Moss is certifiably insane. But that can be managed. 2.) Moss has to play for a winner. So far so good, KC fits that bill. 3.) Moss needs a strong head coach. (See #1.) Haley... check. 4.) Moss needs to be a low risk signing. He is. If he acts up, cut him. 5.) Moss will stretch the field, whether he goes 10 for 135 or 2 for 28. The problems he had in New England started when he felt disrespected because he didn't get his new contract. Now that he's had a taste of real life, he sees things a little differently. Look at it as a "he thought the grass was greener" situation, like a married guy who gets a little tired of the same ol' 'tang and wanders, and then realizes how good he actually had it. Moss simply started taking the Patriots for granted. He quickly realized there are a lot of suck-ass coaches running losing teams with crappy management (hello, Vikings). Thus, if he signs with a strong team which fits the requirements I mentioned, he would at the very least behave for the rest of this season. Does he take a few plays off? Sure. But the point is, he STILL commands attention. The other team needs to know where he is. They'll roll coverage, double-team him, etc.,. He will bring the DBs downfield and give Cassel more room in the middle to operate with Moeaki and McCluster. I'm not saying give the guy a new 3-year $30M deal. But, for the relative chump change of his remaining contract, Haley should certainly consider putting in a waiver claim. As has been said, chances are they don't get him anyway, but it's worth a try. |
I posted this in a different randy moss but this is why he couldn't come here:
Randy Moss misses New England, criticizes Childress Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 31, 2010 8:37 PM ET Randy Moss gave Patriots fans one last bizarre press conference to remember him by. After a deeply disappointing return to Foxborough where he caught only one pass for eight yards, Moss showed up unannounced at the podium wearing a Red Sox hat and went off for five rambling minutes. Some highlights: 1. He called Bill Belichick the greatest coach in the history of the NFL. 2. Fined $25,000 this week for not cooperating with the media, Moss said he will not answer any more questions the rest of the year. He said he will ask and answer his own questions exclusively. (Tonight's question was: "What's on your mind, Randy?") 3. Moss constantly repeated how much he misses the Patriots. "I just want to be able to tell the guys (in NE) I miss the hell out of them," Moss said. 4. While the Patriots have the greatest coach of all time, the Vikings have Brad Childress. Moss criticized Brad Childress for going for it on fourth-and-goal from the one-yard line at the end of the first half. The Patriots stuffed Adrian Peterson. "I'm definitely down we lost this game. . . . Wish could have had 3 at end of the half. Maybe it could have been different. Maybe not," Moss said. 5. Moss said the ovation from Patriots fans at the end of the game brought a tear to his eye. 6. The weirdest part of the press conference was when Moss vaguely said that the Vikings didn't take advantage of the extra information he gave his new team. "I tried to prepare," Moss said. "I tried to talk to the players and coaches about how this game was going to be played and a couple tendencies here, couple tendencies here. The bad part about it -- you have six days to prepare for a team, and on the seventh day, that Sunday, meaning today, I guess they come over to me and say, 'Dag, Moss, you was right about a couple plays and a couple schemes they were going to run.' "It hurts as a player that you put a lot of hard work in all week, and toward the end of the week, Sunday, when you get on the field, that's when they acknowledge about the hard work you put in throughout the week. That's actually a disappointment." The whole thing sounded like Moss applying for a job with New England next year. We think the Patriots are quite content without him. UPDATE: A snippet of the fun: "I don't know how many more times I'm going to be up here in New England," Moss concluded. "But I'm going to leave the New England Patriots, Coach Belichick, man, with a salute, man. I love you guys, I miss you, I'm out." <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/tmJcUlrkMNg?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/tmJcUlrkMNg?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object> |
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