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bowener 11-01-2010 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by salame (Post 7136701)
Wade Phillips

Ah.... and Cowher to Dallas?

Bwana 11-01-2010 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 7136690)
Problem is that I don't think he was a team captain, Mr. The Bad Guy.

I'll bet Moss would relish the concept of having Cassel as his quarterback.

He'd be spending every game all by himself 40 yards downfield.

FAX

LMAO

So true Mr. FAX.

BigMeatballDave 11-01-2010 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7136684)
Moss hasn't been released and some people in the Vikings organization don't want to release him

I heard this, too.

Thig Lyfe 11-01-2010 04:36 PM

Well, I don't see how they can just keep him and pretend like Childress didn't say he was gone. No way Moss doesn't get released. It's just a matter of making it official.

keg in kc 11-01-2010 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7136666)
The people saying no to him coming to the Chiefs are hilarious. Like the Patriots suffered any when his attitude "went south". ****ing please.

Having Randy Moss on the field with Jamaal Charles, Bowe and Moeaki is a matchup nightmare.

Some of you moral police officers are gold.

I mentioned this earlier elsewhere. I'm not looking at this from the standpoint of a "moral police officer". I don't actually have a problem with Moss. But the fact remains that he does have a track record. I thought the original move made sense in New England, because he was joining an established championship team with veteran players and veteran leadership. The Chiefs are not that, not yet. They're a team that's trying to turn around a losing mindset that's more than a decade old (yes, I'm including the Vermeil years). They're trying to establish a roster-wide attitude of "team first" as demonstrated by the way they publicly dealt with Bowe, DJ and Dorsey last year, and have dealt (some would argue; I don't necessarily agree) to some degree with Charles this year. They are trying to build the Chiefs into what New England was at the point where they brought Moss on board. Now, there's no question about Moss' talent, even at his age. What I think needs to be questioned is what kind of impact he might have on the team chemistry at this point of the rebuild. Cassel is not Brady. The team does not have championships, doesn't even, in fact, have a winning tradition, they don't really have any veteran leadership outside of Vrabel and Thomas Jones, and Moss, himself, goes directly against the mold into which they're trying to form their stars of the future (Moss mentoring Bowe...?).

So the question is - and this is the question Pioli and Haley would theoretically have to figure out - do Moss' positives (talent...) outweigh his negatives (...) for a team like Kansas City where they are *right now*?

I think if I'm a veteran playoff team with an established core of players, I'm on the phone already (let's say Moss joins Manning in Indy...). If I'm us, I just don't know. I'm glad it's not a decision I have to make.

dirk digler 11-01-2010 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 7136719)
Well, I don't see how they can just keep him and pretend like Childress didn't say he was gone. No way Moss doesn't get released. It's just a matter of making it official.

Maybe Childress won't be around. But you are probably right.

Brock 11-01-2010 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7136666)
The people saying no to him coming to the Chiefs are hilarious. Like the Patriots suffered any when his attitude "went south". ****ing please.

Having Randy Moss on the field with Jamaal Charles, Bowe and Moeaki is a matchup nightmare.

Some of you moral police officers are gold.

It's not his morality I don't like, I just think if Belichick thinks he's better off without the guy there might be something to it. If this report is true, another team couldn't stand having him around for a month. Not to say I'm not intrigued by the possibility.

chiefzilla1501 11-01-2010 04:47 PM

Don't like this. Not one bit.

We're doing a great job of teaching these young kids really great habits. Mistake-free football and playing your ****ing ass off every single down. Our best chance of winning this year is conditioning, hustle, and discipline.

What Moss does for our team is give us a legit deep threat and open underneath stuff for McCluster, where I think he could be an absolute demon. Here's the rub. We are a great run offense with receivers who block the shit out of defenses--Moss doesn't block. Moss' only route that he runs well is a 9 route deep--we don't have a QB who can get it to him consistently and accurately. Our offense is built around chewing time off the clock. We will not win in a shootout--Moss' only reason for being is to be the deep guy. Our goal is to win playoff games--Moss isn't a guy who has shown he will put in an A effort when it matters most.

Then add in the fact that he's a walking distraction, doesn't seem to care about the game anymore, doesn't really care about winning, and his attitude could completely undermine some of the great leadership we have in the locker room. Surprised we'd want to compromise that so we can win a few more regular season games today... maybe.

DJ's left nut 11-01-2010 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7136728)
Then add in the fact that he's a walking distraction, doesn't seem to care about the game anymore, doesn't really care about winning, and his attitude could completely undermine some of the great leadership we have in the locker room. Surprised we'd want to compromise that so we can win a few more regular season games today... maybe.

This is why you're wrong.

In fact, it's why you're usually wrong.

This has nothing to do with winning a few more regular season games.

It has absolutely everything to do with winning a playoff game and being a true threat to do damage against good teams. Can you imagine how different the Indy game is if Moss is going up for that jump ball instead of Bowe? Don't you think we could've put the Houston game out of reach?

Winning 3 games in January against premier opponents is a very difficult task and it's not something you're going to do with an offense that presents absolutely no threat further downfield than 15 yards. Safeties will crash the box, LBs won't respect the seams, corners will press cover so they can offer better run support.

You cannot afford to be one-dimensional against good teams and this move would help us eliminate that.

It's not about winning regular season games. It's about being relevant in January - a feeling we haven't had in 40 years and something that's not likely to happen with the philosophy you're espousing.

salame 11-01-2010 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 7136703)
Ah.... and Cowher to Dallas?

Cowher or Gruden

salame 11-01-2010 04:58 PM

P.S. I think he will probably be a Colt or Seahawk

kysirsoze 11-01-2010 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 7136524)
That'd be fun to watch until Carson Palmer pulls out a gun and shoots himself right there in the huddle.

That's when it would START being fun.

The Bad Guy 11-01-2010 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 7136726)
It's not his morality I don't like, I just think if Belichick thinks he's better off without the guy there might be something to it. If this report is true, another team couldn't stand having him around for a month. Not to say I'm not intrigued by the possibility.

I think it was an offensive philosphy shift more than it was his attitude. The Patriots have gone small ball again.

I think his attitude does suck at times, but I've yet to see a team that completely folded because of Randy.

This team needs a verticle threat in the worst way. It's the perfect talent fit.

BWillie 11-01-2010 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 7136204)
This may have been part of it?

http://www.macsfootballblog.com/2010...andy-moss.html

The guy is a walking cancer.

Re-acquired in October from the New England Patriots in exchange for a 2011 third-round pick, Moss caught 13 passes for 174 yards and two touchdowns in his second stint with the Vikings, who originally selected him with the 21st overall pick of the 1998 NFL Draft.

Moss caught one pass for 8 yards in Sunday's 28-18 loss to the Patriots, after which Moss made some critical comments about the Vikings while expressing his admiration for the Patriots' franchise.

"This is no disrespect to the Minnesota Vikings and their organization ... the captains, Wilfork, Tommy boy, Mayo...I'm forgetting somebody...Kevin Faulk. Man, I miss them guys," Moss said on Sunday night. "I miss the team. It was hard for me to come here and play. It's been an up and down roller-coaster emotionally all week. And then to be able to come in here and see those guys running plays that I know what they're doing and the sense that they had on the field, the running game. So I kind of know what type of feeling they have in that locker room, and I just want to be able to tell the guys that I miss the hell out of them, every last helmet in that locker room."

Because the traded deadline has passed, Moss is subject to the NFL's waiver system.

The 0-7 Buffalo Bills have top priority, followed by the Dallas Cowboys and Carolina Panthers (1-6), and 2-6 teams such as the San Francisco 49ers and Denver Broncos. Detroit, Cleveland, and Cincinnati are next in line, but are unlikely to add high-profile receiver at this point in the season.

The 3-5 San Diego Chargers, however, might have interest in adding Moss for their attempt to turn around another slow start to the season.

New England has the NFL's best record, and are therefore unlikely to be awarded Moss, should they put a claim in.

While I agree he should have held back...he didn't say anything bad about the Vikings. He was paying tribute to his last team, and it was relevant because they played them. I don't see how this is a "bad cancer". I guess I just don't see Moss in the same light as TO.

I didn't watch the Pats game, but unless he tanked the game on purpose so the Pats would win is about the only way I would support Minnesota just flat out waiving Moss. It's just stupid. Now they gave the Patriots a 3rd round draft pick w/out getting anything in return.

Stinger 11-01-2010 05:02 PM

IMO I can see Miami taking him off of waivers so the Jets and or Patriots can't sign him ..........

Dante84 11-01-2010 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by salame (Post 7136751)
P.S. I think he will probably be a Colt or Seahawk

Peyton's my QB, Moss is my #1 WR.


I'd bust ten nuts.


But I'd rather him be a Chief.

chiefzilla1501 11-01-2010 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7136742)
This is why you're wrong.

In fact, it's why you're usually wrong.

This has nothing to do with winning a few more regular season games.

It has absolutely everything to do with winning a playoff game and being a true threat to do damage against good teams. Can you imagine how different the Indy game is if Moss is going up for that jump ball instead of Bowe? Don't you think we could've put the Houston game out of reach?

Winning 3 games in January against premier opponents is a very difficult task and it's not something you're going to do with an offense that presents absolutely no threat further downfield than 15 yards. Safeties will crash the box, LBs won't respect the seams, corners will press cover so they can offer better run support.

You cannot afford to be one-dimensional against good teams and this move would help us eliminate that.

It's not about winning regular season games. It's about being relevant in January - a feeling we haven't had in 40 years and something that's not likely to happen with the philosophy you're espousing.

Sorry, but I don't believe we are one receiver away from winning in January. If we were, okay, fine.

What we are is a young team with tremendous character that plays their asses off and wins games by controlling the clock and running the ball down the other team's throats.

I am of the school that douchebaggery is contagious. Any team person knows this. A guy who doesn't give a shit about practice, doesn't give a shit about winning, doesn't give a shit about the game anymore, and gives inconsistent effort on the field is going to rub off in some way. Even if it's from frustration of his teammates or distraction. Or even if it's teaching young kids taht you can get away with that because you have god-given talent. Even slightly. Let's not forget the team is filled with a lot of guys who are young and very impressionable. I also don't know how you think there is any guarantee that Moss is going to care enough about winning or putting the effort to win when it matters most.

In the heat of a run, I dont' want to worry about whether our receiver is going to care enough to play or whether he runs off his mouth and throws his coaching staff under the bus because he didn't like a playcall as he did Childress. I don't want guys like Charles and Flowers and Carr to have to answer week after week how they responded to some comment that Moss made in the media.

It's not worth it. Not at this stage in his career, and not at this stage of the Chiefs' rebuild. He's not a magic bullet.

oldandslow 11-01-2010 05:12 PM

Our old friend JW weighs in

Viking Voodoo wrote:
WhitlockJason Jason Whitlock
Schefter says Moss open 2 returning. Glazer says Vikes players livid w/Chilly. Chilly didn't clear w/bosses = Chilly getting fired, y'all.

patteeu 11-01-2010 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 7136676)
Chiefs are 29th of 32 in the waiver order.

So you're telling me there's a chance... YEAH!

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the Talking Can 11-01-2010 05:13 PM

hilarious bit on espn pregame


Chris Carter talking about how Moss is 'principled' while Jackson basically called him a pussy and looked like he wanted to fight someone....

DJ's left nut 11-01-2010 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7136797)
Sorry, but I don't believe we are one receiver away from winning in January. If we were, okay, fine.

What we are is a young team with tremendous character that plays their asses off and wins games by controlling the clock and running the ball down the other team's throats.

I am of the school that douchebaggery is contagious. Any team person knows this. A guy who doesn't give a shit about practice, doesn't give a shit about winning, doesn't give a shit about the game anymore, and gives inconsistent effort on the field is going to rub off in some way. Even if it's from frustration of his teammates or distraction. Or even if it's teaching young kids taht you can get away with that because you have god-given talent. Even slightly. Let's not forget the team is filled with a lot of guys who are young and very impressionable. I also don't know how you think there is any guarantee that Moss is going to care enough about winning or putting the effort to win when it matters most.

In the heat of a run, I dont' want to worry about whether our receiver is going to care enough to play or whether he runs off his mouth and throws his coaching staff under the bus because he didn't like a playcall as he did Childress. I don't want guys like Charles and Flowers and Carr to have to answer week after week how they responded to some comment that Moss made in the media.

It's not worth it. Not at this stage in his career, and not at this stage of the Chiefs' rebuild. He's not a magic bullet.

This is just so much warmed over horseshit that I don't know where to start.

Since when did Moss not care about winning or football? Moss has always been a guy that loves winning and loves playing ball. He doesn't always practice well but he's hardly a cancer as his teammates generally speak very positively of him.

And he's a guy that simply doesn't care about the bullshit anymore. Childress is an awful coach that runs an awful organization - Moss said it. The Raiders were an awful organization with no leadership anywhere - Moss said it.

Run a good organization with leaders in place and Moss will play hard for you.

Moss's contributions on the field would go much deeper than just "another receiver". Moss is a force multiplier. Like an A-10 or an Abrams, Moss makes everything you put on the field more effective if only by his mere presence. He'd be a guy that changes the character of the entire Chiefs offense and open up avenues that this team simply doesn't have right now.

Will it guarantee a championship - well of course not. But in a league where parity rules the day, it could absolutely mean a win in the first round. And hell, if it means a win in the first round...what stops it from meaning a win in the 2nd round?

It's a funny league and Moss makes us much more dangerous. If this team can carry a guy that literally sucker-punched his quarterback as a starting D-lineman, why the hell can't it carry Randy Moss?

salame 11-01-2010 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 7136783)
Peyton's my QB, Moss is my #1 WR.


I'd bust ten nuts.


But I'd rather him be a Chief.

I don't think he would work well in our system
he sure as shit doesn't block

DJ's left nut 11-01-2010 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by salame (Post 7136816)
I don't think he would work well in our system
he sure as shit doesn't block

Neither does Chambers.

Remember - he's not taking Bowe off the field. He's not taking Moeaki off the field.

He's taking Chris Chambers or Terrance Copper off the field. The threat of him running past a corner will have the corner playing back far enough to be just as effective as Chris Chambers throwing a half-hearted block.

We're looking for reasons not to like the guy and ignoring the things he could do for us.

They far outweight his downside.

salame 11-01-2010 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7136824)
Neither does Chambers.

Remember - he's not taking Bowe off the field. He's not taking Moeaki off the field.

He's taking Chris Chambers or Terrance Copper off the field. The threat of him running past a corner will have the corner playing back far enough to be just as effective as Chris Chambers throwing a half-hearted block.

We're looking for reasons not to like the guy and ignoring the things he could do for us.

They far outweight his downside.

I'm pretty sure Copper is on the field because of the whole blocking thing....
Be serious guys we aren't a good fit for what he want's and he isn't the type of veteran our staff seems to like

Shag 11-01-2010 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7136684)
Moss hasn't been released and some people in the Vikings organization don't want to release him

There's similar rumblings around local sports radio here. Talk is that this was 100% a Childress decision, and not all of the front office is on the same page.

Would be interesting if the FO decided to fire Childress and keep Moss. Would be a better move for the Vikes, IMHO...

Rain Man 11-01-2010 05:46 PM

Never mind, everybody. nfl.com is now saying that he wasn't cut. At least, not yet. It appears that Childress may be answering to someone upstairs.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...?module=HP_cp2

Vikings players confirmed Monday that coach Brad Childress informed them during a team meeting of his intention to waive wide receiver Randy Moss less than a month after acquiring him in a trade with New England.

NFL Network's Michael Lombardi first reported Moss' release.

Moss has yet to be informed by the team of his release, though he is assuming at this point he will be waived, a source with knowledge of the situation told NFL Network inside Jason La Canfora.

Childress did not tell management of his desire to part with Moss, according to Lombardi, but Childress did tell the team that Moss would be waived. Childress has control over the 53 man roster.

The league has released Monday's waiver wire to authorized personnel, and Moss is not included on it, a source with access to the wire told La Canfora.

The deadline for daily transactions is 4 p.m. The Vikings could still elect to waive Moss later this week. Childress told the team he would do so today, but a source said others in the organization were not of the same mind.

The Vikings acquired Moss, along with a seventh-round pick in 2012, in exchange for a third-round pick in 2011.


"Randy is very sad to find out about being waived by the Vikings this morning," Moss' agent, Joel Segal, said in an e-mail to the Minneapolis Star Tribune. "He has and always will remain fond of the fans in Minnesota. We will let the process of the waiver wire take its course and we will move on from there."

Segal told the Star-Tribune that he already has received calls from the Miami Dolphins and Seattle Seahawks inquiring about Moss.

When Moss is officially waived, he will have 24 hours to pass through waivers. Teams can claim Moss and the remaining $6.4 million base salary on his contract during that period. If Moss is not claimed through waivers, he would become a free agent, but the Vikings would still be on the hook for the remainder of his contract, which expires after the season.

Fox Sports and NFL Network's Jay Glazer reports that Vikings players were taken by surprise by Childress' announcement and are "livid" over the move.

Childress and team officials didn't immediately respond to messages seeking confirmation of the decision. About an hour before the news came out, Childress took 12 consecutive questions from reporters during his regular news conference about Moss, his effort, and his mindset in response to a rant by Moss following Sunday night's loss to the Patriots.

Moss, who was fined $25,000 last week for failing to cooperate with the media and make himself regularly available for interviews, stepped to the podium after the game but announced he wouldn't take any questions. He repeatedly expressed admiration for coach Bill Belichick and his former team, the Patriots, and criticized the Vikings for not taking enough of his game-planning advice.

Moss had only one catch for 8 yards against the Patriots. In four games for the Vikings, he had 13 catches for 174 yards and two touchdowns.

Childress didn't mention the move and said Moss was staying back in the Boston area for a few days to spend time with family. Asked whether he regretted acquiring Moss, the coach said "not at present."


Moss, who was traded away from Minnesota in 2005 after finding his share of trouble and frustrating the organization with his attitude, expressed eagerness to connect with quarterback Brett Favre when he arrived and talked about how much he still loved Vikings fans some 5½ years after his departure.

While his presence opened the field for wide receiver Percy Harvin, who has blossomed into one of the league's most dangerous offensive players, Moss never materialized into the deep threat the Vikings sought when they traded for him. His longest catch was a 37-yarder, and he was only targeted twice against the Patriots.

"I'm definitely down that we lost this game. I didn't expect we'd lose this game," Moss said. "I don't know how many more times I'll be in New England again. But I leave coach Belichick and those guys with a salute: 'I love you guys. I miss you. I'm out."'

Childress said Monday he didn't see Moss' remarks as "incendiary." The closest he came to criticizing him was acknowledging he could've caught a pass that fell incomplete in the end zone while the Patriots were called for pass interference.

"But again, I don't know," Childress said. "He was restricted. If they called pass interference, there had to be some kind of restriction."

Asked whether he felt Moss had been playing hard, Childress said, "He's playing hard when he needs to play hard."

Linebacker Ben Leber said players were surprised by the news. But he didn't sound happy about Moss's post-game remarks.

"It was just, 'Wow,"' Leber said. "Just because it sounded like it was unprompted and sounded like he wanted to get some stuff off his chest. He certainly has every right to do that. I don't think that's the way to do it."

Thig Lyfe 11-01-2010 06:00 PM

They just wanted the 7th round pick.

MahiMike 11-01-2010 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 7136783)
Peyton's my QB, Moss is my #1 WR.


I'd bust ten nuts.


But I'd rather him be a Chief.

Same here. We shoulda went Reggie Wayne. Hopefully he goes to the Rams w/a REAL QB.

Stinger 11-01-2010 06:43 PM

Pull UR 84 Jersey Out......

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Dante84 11-01-2010 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 7136953)
The league has released Monday's waiver wire to authorized personnel, and Moss is not included on it, a source with access to the wire told La Canfora.

...


Segal told the Star-Tribune that he already has received calls from the Miami Dolphins and Seattle Seahawks inquiring about Moss.

This is tampering....?

chiefzilla1501 11-01-2010 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7136814)
This is just so much warmed over horseshit that I don't know where to start.

Since when did Moss not care about winning or football? Moss has always been a guy that loves winning and loves playing ball. He doesn't always practice well but he's hardly a cancer as his teammates generally speak very positively of him.

And he's a guy that simply doesn't care about the bullshit anymore. Childress is an awful coach that runs an awful organization - Moss said it. The Raiders were an awful organization with no leadership anywhere - Moss said it.

Run a good organization with leaders in place and Moss will play hard for you.

Moss's contributions on the field would go much deeper than just "another receiver". Moss is a force multiplier. Like an A-10 or an Abrams, Moss makes everything you put on the field more effective if only by his mere presence. He'd be a guy that changes the character of the entire Chiefs offense and open up avenues that this team simply doesn't have right now.

Will it guarantee a championship - well of course not. But in a league where parity rules the day, it could absolutely mean a win in the first round. And hell, if it means a win in the first round...what stops it from meaning a win in the 2nd round?

It's a funny league and Moss makes us much more dangerous. If this team can carry a guy that literally sucker-punched his quarterback as a starting D-lineman, why the hell can't it carry Randy Moss?

New England Patriots. Bill Bellichick. Tom Brady. Let's not pretend that he's some kind of a victim to a losing franchise. There's one common denominator in all this: Randy Moss.

Will it guarantee a championship? Even with Randy Moss, it's a longshot. We had one douche bag who undermined our head coach in front of our team. He was cut the week later. And good riddance. We seriously want to deal with this same LJ type headache again? A guy who's going to complain the day after a win about not getting his? A guy who will sell out his coach to the national media? A guy who is going to get into a fight with Tom Brady?

This isn't warm bullshit. I've been huge on the bandwagon of building a culture for winning and I would still argue to this day that it is a HUGE reason why this team has started to turnaround. I didn't want TO. I don't want Randy Moss. I don't mind going off course slightly for character issues, but this is a whole different extreme.

The Bad Guy 11-01-2010 07:13 PM

Childress released a statement that he's getting cut tomorrow. Waivers process Wednesday at 4.

Sure-Oz 11-01-2010 07:14 PM

Yeah I saw that, we'd be 28th in line?

boogblaster 11-01-2010 07:16 PM

he'd be a upgrade over Chambers ....

The Bad Guy 11-01-2010 07:17 PM

Comparing Larry Johnson to Randy Moss?

That's ****ing comedy gold. Where has Moss undermined his coach ever?

The guy is a competitor that vented he was frustrated with his role. Big ****ing deal.

Again, some of you act like this is going to sink our ship. We are playing with house money. Getting a shot at Moss is like pulling a flush on the flop.

tk13 11-01-2010 07:19 PM

I said it in the other thread. I think he does bring some good to the table, but he absolutely has a history of taking plays off. I don't think that's even debatable.

Sure-Oz 11-01-2010 07:19 PM

LJ was a cancer that never cared about anything but himself....Moss loves to win

dirk digler 11-01-2010 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 7136814)
This is just so much warmed over horseshit that I don't know where to start.

Since when did Moss not care about winning or football? Moss has always been a guy that loves winning and loves playing ball. He doesn't always practice well but he's hardly a cancer as his teammates generally speak very positively of him.

And he's a guy that simply doesn't care about the bullshit anymore. Childress is an awful coach that runs an awful organization - Moss said it. The Raiders were an awful organization with no leadership anywhere - Moss said it.

Run a good organization with leaders in place and Moss will play hard for you.

Moss's contributions on the field would go much deeper than just "another receiver". Moss is a force multiplier. Like an A-10 or an Abrams, Moss makes everything you put on the field more effective if only by his mere presence. He'd be a guy that changes the character of the entire Chiefs offense and open up avenues that this team simply doesn't have right now.

Will it guarantee a championship - well of course not. But in a league where parity rules the day, it could absolutely mean a win in the first round. And hell, if it means a win in the first round...what stops it from meaning a win in the 2nd round?

It's a funny league and Moss makes us much more dangerous. If this team can carry a guy that literally sucker-punched his quarterback as a starting D-lineman, why the hell can't it carry Randy Moss?

The Pats run a first rate organization and he caused problems including fights with coaches and possibly Tom Brady. Add to that he half assed it alot this season and he was let go.

Marcellus 11-01-2010 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 7137376)
LJ was a cancer that never cared about anything but himself....Moss loves to win

That doesn't make sense considering his getting himself traded out of NE. Where would you rather be right now if you were a receiver that wanted to win?

tk13 11-01-2010 07:27 PM

Yeah, I don't know what he's done to be considered a winner. I definitely put him a level above Larry Johnson though.

For me it doesn't come down to Pioli at all, it's all about Haley. If he truly thinks he can handle him, we should go for it. It's definitely a win now move. He has the talent to do wonders for this passing offense. But Haley better be able to handle him. We are one of the the few teams, if not the only team, at the top of the league that has gone through this season without much drama.

Mecca 11-01-2010 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7137385)
That doesn't make sense considering his getting himself traded out of NE. Where would you rather be right now if you were a receiver that wanted to win?

I don't really think he got himself traded out of NE other than asking for a contract that they wouldn't pay. That trade was about getting something for a player they weren't going to keep because of money.

chiefzilla1501 11-01-2010 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7137368)
Comparing Larry Johnson to Randy Moss?

That's ****ing comedy gold. Where has Moss undermined his coach ever?

The guy is a competitor that vented he was frustrated with his role. Big ****ing deal.

Again, some of you act like this is going to sink our ship. We are playing with house money. Getting a shot at Moss is like pulling a flush on the flop.


Selling out his teammates, basically telling him he would rather be with a different team:
“I don’t know how many more times I’m going to be up here in New England, but I’m going to leave the New England Patriots, Coach Belichick, man, with a salute, man. I love you guys, I miss you, I’m out.”


Pro football talk quote about his decision to leave the PATRIOTS:
"As one source explained it, Moss was behaving at times like the Moss of old, but he was smarter about when and where he would act up, in order to avoid creating tangible, public proof of an attitude that laid the foundation for the team's decision to move on, at a time when Moss made it clear that he wanted to move out."


Throwing Childress under the bus:
"I wish we could have had that three at the end of the half," Moss said. "Maybe could have been different, maybe not. ..."


Complaint after a big opening day win in Cincy:
"I don't really want to say here in the organization,” Moss said, “but I think around here in the New England area a lot of people don't want to see me do good and the reason why I don't know, really don't care.”

Mecca 11-01-2010 07:50 PM

Brad Childress is a horrid coach, he keeps throwing players under the bus to save his own ass, you really think any of those players have any respect for him?

CaliforniaChief 11-01-2010 07:52 PM

I agree with those who say we probably couldn't have him if we wanted him. It's possible that half of the NFL will put in a claim on him.

First of all, Brad Childress is an idiot. Nobody there respects him. He sold his soul and all he got in return was a $20 million hospice-eligible QB who texts pictures of his package to women. There's no rhyme or reason to what they're doing because they're in full panic mode. Heck, if he was being honest, I'd bet you $$$$ that Jared Allen regrets being there instead of here now. Everyone in the league knows what a joke Childress is, which in a strange way, satisfactorily explains Moss' rebellion.

Second, in a year where teams are struggling to sell seats, a struggling team like Dallas, the Raiders, the Chargers, the Jaguars, etc...could sell some seats with Moss in their uniform.

Finally, he's still better than almost any WR in the league. I'd LOVE him in Kansas City.

The Bad Guy 11-01-2010 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7137470)
Selling out his teammates, basically telling him he would rather be with a different team:
“I don’t know how many more times I’m going to be up here in New England, but I’m going to leave the New England Patriots, Coach Belichick, man, with a salute, man. I love you guys, I miss you, I’m out.”


Pro football talk quote about his decision to leave the PATRIOTS:
"As one source explained it, Moss was behaving at times like the Moss of old, but he was smarter about when and where he would act up, in order to avoid creating tangible, public proof of an attitude that laid the foundation for the team's decision to move on, at a time when Moss made it clear that he wanted to move out."


Throwing Childress under the bus:
"I wish we could have had that three at the end of the half," Moss said. "Maybe could have been different, maybe not. ..."


Complaint after a big opening day win in Cincy:
"I don't really want to say here in the organization,” Moss said, “but I think around here in the New England area a lot of people don't want to see me do good and the reason why I don't know, really don't care.”

The nerve of him saying they should have taken the points. Childress is a ****ing moron.

Your quotes proved absolutely nothing.

dirk digler 11-01-2010 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7137484)
Brad Childress is a horrid coach, he keeps throwing players under the bus to save his own ass, you really think any of those players have any respect for him?

No shit. I don't understand why they don't cut bait now and let Leslie Frazier run the team the rest of the year. You can tell the players run everything and just walk all over him.

Mecca 11-01-2010 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 7137493)
I agree with those who say we probably couldn't have him if we wanted him. It's possible that half of the NFL will put in a claim on him.

First of all, Brad Childress is an idiot. Nobody there respects him. He sold his soul and all he got in return was a $20 million hospice-eligible QB who texts pictures of his package to women. There's no rhyme or reason to what they're doing because they're in full panic mode. Heck, if he was being honest, I'd bet you $$$$ that Jared Allen regrets being there instead of here now. Everyone in the league knows what a joke Childress is, which in a strange way, satisfactorily explains Moss' rebellion.

Second, in a year where teams are struggling to sell seats, a struggling team like Dallas, the Raiders, the Chargers, the Jaguars, etc...could sell some seats with Moss in their uniform.

Finally, he's still better than almost any WR in the league. I'd LOVE him in Kansas City.

He's already thrown Favre under the bus, with the year Allen is having he might be next.

chiefzilla1501 11-01-2010 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7137484)
Brad Childress is a horrid coach, he keeps throwing players under the bus to save his own ass, you really think any of those players have any respect for him?

That's a dick move to basically use a public forum to tell your own team that you would rather play for somebody else.

And Bill Bellichick and Tom Brady are a great QB/Coach. If there's any truth to the quote from that source, this wasn't just about money, it was about Moss acting like Moss again.

Mecca 11-01-2010 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7137498)
That's a dick move to basically use a public forum to tell your own team that you would rather play for somebody else.

And Bill Bellichick and Tom Brady are a great QB/Coach. If there's any truth to the quote from that source, this wasn't just about money, it was about Moss acting like Moss again.

Moss sure looked like he hated Brady hugging him after that game and all.

chiefzilla1501 11-01-2010 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7137494)
The nerve of him saying they should have taken the points. Childress is a ****ing moron.

Your quotes proved absolutely nothing.

You don't undermine your coach to the media.
It doesn't matter how much you disagree.

That's team sports 101. It doesn't matter how wrong the coach is. Challenge the coach in private. Bring it up to the locker room leaders. It's a distraction and worst of all, your players need to feel confident about the decisions the coach makes. It's called buy-in. When players don't buy in, they don't play hard.

These are fundamental team issues Moss doesn't think about or give a shit about.

chiefzilla1501 11-01-2010 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7137503)
Moss sure looked like he hated Brady hugging him after that game and all.

Give me a break. Seriously?

Sure-Oz 11-01-2010 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7137503)
Moss sure looked like he hated Brady hugging him after that game and all.

Kraft also hated him talking to him as well

Mecca 11-01-2010 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7137512)
You don't undermine your coach to the media.
It doesn't matter how much you disagree.

That's team sports 101. It doesn't matter how wrong the coach is. Challenge the coach in private. Bring it up to the locker room leaders. It's a distraction and worst of all, your players need to feel confident about the decisions the coach makes. It's called buy-in. When players don't buy in, they don't play hard.

These are fundamental team issues Moss doesn't think about or give a shit about.

Brad Childress is undermining his players to the media, this goes back to the players having 0 respect for a bonehead coach who's throwing everyone he can under the bus to try to save his own ass.

Mecca 11-01-2010 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7137518)
Give me a break. Seriously?

You're defending Brad Childress, you can't say seriously to anyone.

Sure-Oz 11-01-2010 08:00 PM

Childress is a dead man walking anyway

Mecca 11-01-2010 08:01 PM

Brad Childress is quite possibly the worst head coach of all time. No wonder he never did anything with Philly.

Jim Jones 11-01-2010 08:02 PM

Moss forced his way out of NE and then saw that the grass isn't always greener on the other side and whined his way out of Minnesota. I think Brad Childress is an idiot but Moss isn't much smarter - now he's going to end up on some crap team that is going nowhere.

Sure-Oz 11-01-2010 08:04 PM

Moss wanted a new deal in NE, they didn't want to pay him whats hard about that?

dirk digler 11-01-2010 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 7137543)
Moss wanted a new deal in NE, they didn't want to pay him whats hard about that?

The way he went about it wasn't very good. Read his PC after the win against the Bengals in Week 1.

With that being said I am torn on this and I will support whatever decision the Chiefs make. I doubt even if they make a claim they would get him anyway.

chiefzilla1501 11-01-2010 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 7137543)
Moss wanted a new deal in NE, they didn't want to pay him whats hard about that?

There is enough smoke to believe that money was one piece to it. There is plenty of talk of attitude problems, fights with players and coaches.

Mecca 11-01-2010 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7137562)
The way he went about it wasn't very good. Read his PC after the win against the Bengals in Week 1.

With that being said I am torn on this and I will support whatever decision the Chiefs make. I doubt even if they make a claim they would get him anyway.

That comment about people not wanting to see him do well, was him talking about people in Boston being racist. It's been well known in sports for years that athletes think there's a heavy racist population up there, Bonds brought up several years ago.

dirk digler 11-01-2010 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7137568)
That comment about people not wanting to see him do well, was him talking about people in Boston being racist. It's been well known in sports for years that athletes think there's a heavy racist population up there, Bonds brought up several years ago.

Interesting I didn't know that. I just read his statements that the fans didn't like him and didn't even consider the race factor.

Mecca 11-01-2010 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 7137582)
Interesting I didn't know that. I just read his statements that the fans didn't like him and didn't even consider the race factor.

When he said people here, not talking about people in the organization, that was immediately what I thought he was talking about, I could be wrong but it's my guess.

BossChief 11-01-2010 08:24 PM

He will NEVER run block
He WILL half ass plays where he isnt the first option
He WONT be a leader
He WILL be a problem as soon as the opportunity arises to be one.
He WILL quit when things even start to get tough.
He WONT give as much effort as Haley would require to be a leader for the young guys.

Need I go on?

...sorry if these are reposts.

MahiMike 11-01-2010 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 7137603)
He will NEVER run block
He WILL half ass plays where he isnt the first option
He WONT be a leader
He WILL be a problem as soon as the opportunity arises to be one.
He WILL quit when things even start to get tough.
He WONT give as much effort as Haley would require to be a leader for the young guys.

Need I go on?

...sorry if these are reposts.

Actually he was an excellent blocker w/NE. Rest of your assessment is pretty close.

patteeu 11-01-2010 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 7137385)
That doesn't make sense considering his getting himself traded out of NE. Where would you rather be right now if you were a receiver that wanted to win?

He got traded out of NE because they knew they weren't going to keep him and they got a 3rd round pick out of the dopey Vikings. It's not like they cut him.

patteeu 11-01-2010 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7137498)
That's a dick move to basically use a public forum to tell your own team that you would rather play for somebody else.

And Bill Bellichick and Tom Brady are a great QB/Coach. If there's any truth to the quote from that source, this wasn't just about money, it was about Moss acting like Moss again.

The quote from that source doesn't seem to square with the way Moss was pining for the friends he loves back in NE so I'm a little skeptical about it being true.

It sounded to me like Moss was making lovey noises toward Bellichick and the NE players/organization because he'd like to have a chance to go back there when he becomes a free agent after this year (now maybe sooner). He didn't ever really want out of NE, he wanted to stay with a new contract.

Brock 11-01-2010 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 7137701)
Actually he was an excellent blocker w/NE. Rest of your assessment is pretty close.

No, he was never a good blocker ever, anywhere.

patteeu 11-01-2010 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Jones (Post 7137537)
Moss forced his way out of NE and then saw that the grass isn't always greener on the other side and whined his way out of Minnesota. I think Brad Childress is an idiot but Moss isn't much smarter - now he's going to end up on some crap team that is going nowhere.

Forced his way out? What was in it for him? He didn't get the new contract he wanted. Unless he clears waivers, he's going to have to wait just as long to get to free agency as if he'd have just played out the year in NE. I don't think he was trying to force his way out, I think he was trying to get NE to sign him to an extension.

RippedmyFlesh 11-01-2010 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 7137568)
That comment about people not wanting to see him do well, was him talking about people in Boston being racist. It's been well known in sports for years that athletes think there's a heavy racist population up there, Bonds brought up several years ago.

And Jim Rice before bonds.

luv 11-01-2010 11:37 PM

I'm not reading through 300+ posts, and the OP says nm. Updates?

BryanBusby 11-01-2010 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 7137749)
No, he was never a good blocker ever, anywhere.

so tell me more about this other Randy Moss you watched

BWillie 11-01-2010 11:42 PM

There is zero chance he drops to the Chiefs on the waiver wire BUT For those of you who think the Chiefs wouldn't be interested that isn't true. The Chiefs were interested in giving a 5th rounder for Moss according to sources.

CaliforniaChief 11-01-2010 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 7138080)
I'm not reading through 300+ posts, and the OP says nm. Updates?

Minny hasn't actually released him yet. That could happen tomorrow. If it does, we'll know by Wednesday evening if he was claimed. If he is, that team is on the hook for the rest of his 2010 salary. If not, anyone can sign him as a FA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 7138087)
There is zero chance he drops to the Chiefs on the waiver wire BUT For those of you who think the Chiefs wouldn't be interested that isn't true. The Chiefs were interested in giving a 5th rounder for Moss according to sources.


Randy Moss: Randy Moss to clear waivers?
Randy Moss - WR - MIN - Nov. 1 - 7:39 pm et

NFL Network's Mike Lombardi predicts that Randy Moss will clear waivers if the transaction becomes official Tuesday.
Should Moss go unclaimed by all 32 teams, he'd become an unrestricted free agent while also having his full $6.4 million salary guaranteed by the Vikings. Moss could then "double dip," tacking on whatever earnings he'd be able to muster on the open market. NFL Network's Joe Theismann and Boomer Esiason both also believe that Moss will clear waivers if he's cut Tuesday. Nov. 1 - 7:39 pm et

Just saying...there are a few people who think he WON'T be claimed, too.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-01-2010 11:46 PM

Boston was the last team to integrate in baseball. Their racial problems go back a long time.

BWillie 11-02-2010 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 7138094)
Minny hasn't actually released him yet. That could happen tomorrow. If it does, we'll know by Wednesday evening if he was claimed. If he is, that team is on the hook for the rest of his 2010 salary. If not, anyone can sign him as a FA.




Randy Moss: Randy Moss to clear waivers?
Randy Moss - WR - MIN - Nov. 1 - 7:39 pm et

NFL Network's Mike Lombardi predicts that Randy Moss will clear waivers if the transaction becomes official Tuesday.
Should Moss go unclaimed by all 32 teams, he'd become an unrestricted free agent while also having his full $6.4 million salary guaranteed by the Vikings. Moss could then "double dip," tacking on whatever earnings he'd be able to muster on the open market. NFL Network's Joe Theismann and Boomer Esiason both also believe that Moss will clear waivers if he's cut Tuesday. Nov. 1 - 7:39 pm et

Just saying...there are a few people who think he WON'T be claimed, too.

I'm not one of them. Maybe I don't quite understand how the waiver wire works but if all of the teams don't want to take on his salary for a Top 10 WR that stretches the field that a defense has to account for, then there are some pretty dumb teams out there. Unless the entire NFL blackballs the deal so they can pick him up on the open market for a discount, I don't forsee how this would happen.

KCJohnny 11-02-2010 04:44 AM

I'm for bringing Moss in but I have no delusions that it will repair the calamity at QB. You could give Cassell Jerry Rice and Steve Largent in their primes and he would still put up similar numbers.

Case in point: Brady threw for 50 TDs with the 2007 Pats. With the same exact offense, Cassel threw for 21. He's being paid Peyton Manning type money by Pioli even though in his first year starting he couldn't even get to Tyler Thigpen-level achievement (Thiggy 22 TDs in 11 starts, Cassel 16 in 14). Thigpen was paid the league minimum.

Moss could stretch the field in theory, but what will that really do, if anything? Can Cassel read a defense? Can he call an audible? Can he make his progression reads? What other QB in the NFL throws for 107 yds in regulation time at home against an 0-6 team with the NFL's best rushing attack and best pass protection and is considered 'successful' let alone worth $64 million?

Not sure Moss fixes what ails this offense. But certainly can't hurt the league's #31 passing attack.

Rausch 11-02-2010 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCJohnny (Post 7138242)
Not sure Moss fixes what ails this offense. But certainly can't hurt the league's #31 passing attack.

This...

JD10367 11-02-2010 10:28 AM

Let's look at the facts.

1.) Moss is certifiably insane. But that can be managed.
2.) Moss has to play for a winner. So far so good, KC fits that bill.
3.) Moss needs a strong head coach. (See #1.) Haley... check.
4.) Moss needs to be a low risk signing. He is. If he acts up, cut him.
5.) Moss will stretch the field, whether he goes 10 for 135 or 2 for 28.

The problems he had in New England started when he felt disrespected because he didn't get his new contract. Now that he's had a taste of real life, he sees things a little differently. Look at it as a "he thought the grass was greener" situation, like a married guy who gets a little tired of the same ol' 'tang and wanders, and then realizes how good he actually had it. Moss simply started taking the Patriots for granted. He quickly realized there are a lot of suck-ass coaches running losing teams with crappy management (hello, Vikings). Thus, if he signs with a strong team which fits the requirements I mentioned, he would at the very least behave for the rest of this season.

Does he take a few plays off? Sure. But the point is, he STILL commands attention. The other team needs to know where he is. They'll roll coverage, double-team him, etc.,. He will bring the DBs downfield and give Cassel more room in the middle to operate with Moeaki and McCluster.

I'm not saying give the guy a new 3-year $30M deal. But, for the relative chump change of his remaining contract, Haley should certainly consider putting in a waiver claim. As has been said, chances are they don't get him anyway, but it's worth a try.

ForeverChiefs58 11-02-2010 11:52 AM

I posted this in a different randy moss but this is why he couldn't come here:

Randy Moss misses New England, criticizes Childress
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 31, 2010 8:37 PM ET
Randy Moss gave Patriots fans one last bizarre press conference to remember him by.

After a deeply disappointing return to Foxborough where he caught only one pass for eight yards, Moss showed up unannounced at the podium wearing a Red Sox hat and went off for five rambling minutes. Some highlights:

1. He called Bill Belichick the greatest coach in the history of the NFL.

2. Fined $25,000 this week for not cooperating with the media, Moss said he will not answer any more questions the rest of the year. He said he will ask and answer his own questions exclusively. (Tonight's question was: "What's on your mind, Randy?")

3. Moss constantly repeated how much he misses the Patriots. "I just want to be able to tell the guys (in NE) I miss the hell out of them," Moss said.

4. While the Patriots have the greatest coach of all time, the Vikings have Brad Childress. Moss criticized Brad Childress for going for it on fourth-and-goal from the one-yard line at the end of the first half. The Patriots stuffed Adrian Peterson.

"I'm definitely down we lost this game. . . . Wish could have had 3 at end of the half. Maybe it could have been different. Maybe not," Moss said.


5. Moss said the ovation from Patriots fans at the end of the game brought a tear to his eye.

6. The weirdest part of the press conference was when Moss vaguely said that the Vikings didn't take advantage of the extra information he gave his new team.

"I tried to prepare," Moss said. "I tried to talk to the players and coaches about how this game was going to be played and a couple tendencies here, couple tendencies here. The bad part about it -- you have six days to prepare for a team, and on the seventh day, that Sunday, meaning today, I guess they come over to me and say, 'Dag, Moss, you was right about a couple plays and a couple schemes they were going to run.'

"It hurts as a player that you put a lot of hard work in all week, and toward the end of the week, Sunday, when you get on the field, that's when they acknowledge about the hard work you put in throughout the week. That's actually a disappointment."

The whole thing sounded like Moss applying for a job with New England next year. We think the Patriots are quite content without him.

UPDATE: A snippet of the fun:


"I don't know how many more times I'm going to be up here in New England," Moss concluded. "But I'm going to leave the New England Patriots, Coach Belichick, man, with a salute, man. I love you guys, I miss you, I'm out."

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