Rivers hasn't won a ring yet either, and has looked like shit in the playoffs.

They should cut his ass.

According to who? The post was only from a couple of weeks ago....

Look if you want to make excuses for the guy and defend someone who WANTS the Chiefs to lose...You go right ahead...

I feel dumber for having to have had to talk to you for this long, proving a FACT to you time and time again....

You probably are one of the dumbest people I have encountered here.

Good day.

Except he did make first downs in that game, even on the first three I'll-fated drives.

awesome sig patteeu

This is an utterly confounding situation. The Cassel Conundrum is a riddle wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma, stuffed in a secret memo, slathered with Crisco, and jammed up Julian Assange's pee hole.

I have never before seen the Cassel I saw on Sunday. It was like watching Lazarus walk out of the tomb, join the croquet club, and hit a triple wicket.

FAX

Short passes that turned into 12/18 yards and penalties called against Denver are firstdowns that Cassel got? Ok?... He got 1 first down with a deep pass to Bowe and then took 2 sacks right after that.

Yeah, he's been terrible.

Like that game where he drove the field in Indy to force OT, then went and won it.

Like that game where he played with a torn ACL.

For the most part, he's played pretty damn well in the playoffs.

Last three years he's completed 61%, thrown for 320 a game, and has a level TD/INT ratio.

Again, Rivers has proven he's a franchise QB.

Another reeruned comparison.

He's been improving all season, so I'm not sure how you could have missed this.

ROFL you are one messed up MF. And I mean that in a good way. :thumb:

Like I said, you're not rational. I don't know if it's because you're a homer like stevieray or because you're reeruned. Please provide an actual link to the post in question so we can see when it was made.

I will always defend sacrificing a season now for the future success of the franchise.

Acouple weeks ago would have been after the Chiefs lost the division lead while the team that took the lead was on their bye week. Before Cassel lit up the fantasy league by playing the NFCWest.

Yeap, before the AZ game, like I told him in one of my previous posts.

You're welcome and you stand corrected.

Oh thank you masterful one. You proved me wrong. Cassel actually got 1 first down... Hit the showers Cassel, you've done your job.

I think I've watched every game. I've never seen a performance like that out of Cassel, though.

Maybe I shouldn't have been hiding under the bed. Sometimes, that can obscure one's vision.

FAX

ROFL

I have to say the difference in the debate about Cassel in this thread compared to week 4 of the season for example, is encouraging.

Yep. Couldn't agree more.

Those wouldn't be "real" numbers. They are system numbers so they don't count. It only counts if he gets those numbers against winning teams with franchise QBs, top 5 defenses, and on the road with a struggling running game. Unless he can do that successfully for the next 3 years he's a fraud and you are just a fool.

LMAO

At this point I'm just gonna start a thread titled "Matt Cassel Debate, Week Of X" after every game, because these threads are comedy gold, from both sides of the argument.

Wait...........

On the road

Against a top 5 defense

With no ground game

17 points down

With a Franchise QB on the other team that has never lost when up by 17 at home

And he needs to do this 6-8 times each season for 3 years, or he's just a game manager.

And yes, that is EXACTLY how absurd some of you stupid ****ers have gotten. Die in a god damned grease fire bundle of stickss.

Since Cassel has been here, I have stayed about the same. I felt like he was a mid level QB. Probably 10-15th in the league.... basically, Mark Sanchez.

I have admitted that I underestimated Sanchez. He has impressed me in many, many ways.

I seem to have underestimated Cassel as well. Time will tell if he is just having a good season, or if this is permanent. I mean, Anderson had a pro bowl year in Cleveland. We know how this stuff can go at times.

I am waiting for the other shoe to drop. I still struggle to believe he is AS good as he has played. But, at some point, we are just going to have to accept that he is a 'good' qb, even if he is never a 'great' qb.

Well during his career overall he's 3 wins and 4 losses in the playoffs with a 79 QB rating........But I can see why you would want to cherry pick the last three years....and you bitch about the people cherry picking Cassels stats while you love on one of our division rivals QBs!

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...0_playoffs.htm

I agree with this, but this is not the way people will evaluate. People will evaluate based on their pre-formed biases. The homers will say he had a great game and everyone else failed for him, and the haters will say he made 1 or 2 mistakes he shouldn't have made. I wish what you were saying was true. There is always a way to skew statistics to make your case.

We can't expect Cassel to walk into San Diego and light it up. But I think that's what his critics are going to ask and expect. Brady, Manning, and Orton all had fits with this defense. And our defense is probably going to give up a lot of points because their offense is that good.

I think that's a tough standard to say that the only way he proves his worth is to single-handedly beat the hottest team in football on the road. I just want him to play well. I don't want to see him play like he did in Indianapolis, not even Cleveland or Buffalo where we somehow squeezed out wins. If he puts up an Oakland, Arizona, or Seattle like performance even in a loss, I think that's a major sign of positive progress.

You seriously won't acknowledge that Rivers is (a lot) better than Cassel?

He's not the first to brag on Cassel. I don't remember the games, but in one, the announcers were comparing his throwing motion to Elway,(He wasn't playing good then, I about spit my drink threw my nose when they said it) and then, just a couple of weeks ago, they were comparing his footwork to Drew Brees. I think Gannon was one of the announcers.

the thing with Brady Manning and Orton is they dont have good run games. At least nothing close to what the Chiefs have. Indy and Denver i know for a fact have crappy running games. Not to sure on N.E, but since Danny Woodhead is their running back, i am sure its pretty much all Tom. We have a running back that is doing something that no one since what Jim Brown is doing with a 6.2 ypc.

We have another demension them teams dont have right now imo. Are they going to stack the box are are they going to double on Bowe? hmmm..

Yes I will acknowledge that Rivers is a better QB. But I will also acknowledge that when Rivers made it to the conference championship the Chargers had a hell of an O-line and surrounded him with plenty of weapons.

I think if we continue to upgrade our talent, retain our coaching staff and Cassel continues to improve that we can win a Super Bowl with him. I trust Pioli unlike a lot of people on here that might have sipped some of Whitlocks koolaid.

cassel no hassle?
 

I have long been a supporter of Cassel and very pleased with his stats.Look at the teams and their records that is where the worry begins.I am hopeful that the Bronco games gave him more confidence and Weiss to open up the playbook.They will put 9 in a box the play should me deep post to Bowe the first time.I bleed the red and gold and I want a big can of woop ass this Sunday....also 70 points for the Chiefs and don't back off one bit!!GO CHIEFS!!

Cassel has been solid the last 4 or 5 games...ready anything more into it is probably premature. I have seen definite progress which is encouraging. He seems to actually be making some reads now instead of locking onto his prime receiver.

I too would like to see them open up the offense and see what he can do. It seems like he plays better when they let him throw more thus getting him in more rhythm. Throwing on early downs should also be something Weiss incorporates more of.

Jesus, you'd think Moeaki was a wide open Greg Jennings on that play against the Texans.

Why does it matter what division we were playing? We looked good out there. This is the NFL. Any team can win on any given Sunday. There are no sure bets. A 32 ranked D can dominate a 1 ranked Offense at any time. 7 and 4 is our record. It is what it is. I'm just glad we are winning games.

whoa whoa whoa whoa

but has he won the big one?

because that's what everyone used to say about Manning and why he was a choker...

so why isn't Philip a choker then?

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...0_playoffs.htm


Because OTW can cherry pick his stats from the last 3 playoff years. When the Chargers made the AFC championship game Rivers had a great line and lots of weapons surrounding him. Football is the ultimate team sport and even franchise QB's need all the pieces to compete in the Super Bowl. I don't think we're there yet but it sure looks like we're headed in the right direction.

This thread is like beating your head against a brick wall expecting the wall to budge.

1993 is the last year this team has won a Playoff game.

How old is Joe Montana today ?

The brain trust of this team sees the big picture imo.

17 seasons w/o a playoff win will tend to get fans edgy. All of us want the same thing. Lets hope like hell we have the QB and the coaching staff to put all 3 areas of a great football team togeather in the same season, soon.

Even if we limit ourselves to the first three drives (which you didn't in your original, woefully inaccurate statement), Cassel got 2 first downs, not 1.

Please try to check your own facts. I'm not your mommy.

Having a running game always helps. Crennel is going to have to get his crew to fit into some tights and put on capes, so Cassel can stay on the field.

Rivers in the playoffs -

2006 - 0-1

2007 - 2-1

2008 - 1-1

2009 - 0-1

That's a 3-4 playoff record. So he has a losing record in the playoffs.

His combined playoff numbers -

58% completion percentage - not good

8 TD's 9 picks - not good

79 QB rating - not good

So "for the most part" he has NOT played pretty well in the playoffs.

But again, as noted by others, you love to cherry pick your stats. Rivers has been, for his career, a below average playoff QB. Fact. stfu about it.

Brady has BenJarvus Green-Ellis. Who is top 5 in rushing TD's.

It's funny that the same Manning bashers on this board tell us how great Philip Rivers is in the playoffs and what not!

Christ almighty.

that's classic...

I think Rivers is a great QB...a great, great QB...

but the reason why Brady was so much "better" than Manning was because he STRIVED in the playoffs...and his numbers got so much better (myth)...

yet those same bashers are here to tell us how clutch Philip Rivers has been in the playoffs...and how much success he's had despite the fact they were probably favorites to win it all JUST last year...

but yeah...

Rivers is A CLUTCH GOD!

(and it has nothing to do with the play of Rivers...just goes to show that you can win or lose despite the play of your franchise QB...)

I guess those in charge of AFC Player of the month don't know shit about football?

only OTWP, Mecca, Hamas and Dane know anything about football...Milkman is the only "true fan" they'll acknowledge.

He has lost to Brady twice and Big Ben and then last year with Sanchez. And he has beaten Manning twice. So against the true big boys he is 2-3 which in all honesty isn't too bad. Maybe Brees but Brady, Manning and Big Ben are the only QBs better than Rivers.

no one is arguing whether or not Philip Rivers is great...

but it's funny...because if we make the playoffs and Cassel plays like...say Matt Ryan two years ago in his first postseason...

"Chiefs" fans won't get over it for 4 god damn months.

Everyone gets a free pass except for any Chiefs players...it's hilarious.

Seriously...

Mecca hasn't posted in like 3 weeks...as soon as the Chiefs are eliminated we're going to have deal with him dumbass again.

If ANYONE ever lets him off the hook again...

Oh shit!

Or maybe they gave him that award based on his last 2 performances. WHAT A LEAP IN LOGIC!

****ing reerun.

that's interesting since they specifically mentioned his performance against the Broncos when that game was done at the end of the 1st quarter...

That's fine too. Let them count that game too, I have nothing against that. To me personally, the stats he put up in that game don't mean much because he was literally under 0 pressure to perform. It was pretty much practice at that point.

I already have that ****ign moron on ignore.....

Seriously I have only 2 people on ignore out of the flock of ****ing reeruns on this board but this confirms it.