Doesn't mean you shouldn't wait till you have your all-star offensive line before you get your QB. The QB has a highly variable development cycle and a high bust rate. The QB also has the largest impact of any position on the field. If you get the chance to take a franchise QB, you don't skip it because your RT is inadequate.

And what if we don't get a brand new shiny RT? What if we just kind of draft around the edges and draft another Barry Richardson in the 6th round?

Stafford was drafted without the team worrying about fixing the line. The line he played under was atrocious. And even this year when he's been playing at a very high level. That's the same ****ing line he had 3 years ago!

Yes, I want both as well, but it's foolish and idiotic to think that a franchise guy can't work with the talent we already have on the offensive line if he has to. It happens all the ****ing time.

link? :p

how many games has he missed because of injury?

Irrelevant. He's a soft bitch Brokie Croyle with a glass vagina. The Chiefs 2003 offensive line wouldn't be able to keep him injury-free

i disagree
during his rookie season and his second season alone he missed 19 games due to poor OLine play
why have a top 5 pick wasted on a QB when he has to ride the pine because the OLine sucks and cant protect him..

Who needs an offensive line when you have seven zebras to protect you?

Link?

Also, you're forgetting the fact that he's playing with the EXACT same offensive line he had when he was a rookie.

i'm not saying i'm right or you're wrong, i'm just saying if i were the GM and looking for a Franchise QB, i would want Barry replaced.

You would clearly have to be insane to play behind that oaf.

Suicide by blind-side-sack is excluded from most life insurance policies.

FAX

You renting that URL? That would be a good website, for a blog/rant page.

Link?

And that's a smart idea. I'm just saying the mindset of "Oline first, QB second" is the kind of thinking that got us into this mess

Clearly RT is of concern, but to say we take care of that before looking for a QB is ridiculous. This team needs to do whatever it can to get a QB in the draft in round one and go from there to get a RT. The Chiefs Way has got to change.

yeah, why cant we draft a RT in the 2nd round? or just sign one. there are always something you can do to upgrade the position.

NUMBER 1 concern QB. We all have known that for years. lol

I've heard that QB/LT/Pass Rusher are the three places that you really want elite talent if you can get it. I can see the reasoning behind that. I'd say you still need five decent guys on the O-Line. A crappy RT screws up the protection scheme and hampers the rest of the line, same thing in the running game with run blocking.

IMO you don't need a star at RT, just a solid guy.


It appears the Chiefs definition of solid and mine are a little different however.

This is a great point. There is no guard, center or RT that is ever worth a 1st rounder.
LT is the exception. You rarely hear of a UDFA LT playing unless the team is in dire straits. The Chargers managed to get a Pro Bowl Guard, (Dielman), as a UDFA Defensive Tackle for crying out loud.
The Chiefs had one of the most dominant O-Lines in the NFL for a decade and they couldn't do shit because there was a severe lack of talent in the "skill" positions.
While every great team starts at QB, and a good one doesn't need to be found in the 1st round, the skill guys are the key.

Imagine a team spending 5 years drafting OL in the 1st round. I don't believe they'd be very good.

We're on Year 3 of the offensive line rebuild project. We've spent high draft picks on two guards. And let's not forget a 2008 first rounder on Albert. I don't really think we can afford to have a balanced, tough, team while spending so many draft picks on one part of the offense.

The 2003 offensive line was built by a 3rd round pick trade for Roaf, a 3rd round pick that was spent TEN years prior, and a first round pick in 1999. That's it. Even our interior backup Donald Willis was a free agent.

Dunno where or when I heard this but it makes sense.

To win a Superbowl you need 3-4 things. Franchise qb, Franchise LT, Elite Pass Rusher, opportunistic defense.

Franchise LT isn't one of them.

If I'm got a for sure 1st thing mentioned, I'd like to have a second thing mentioned or pretty close to it.

Tell that to Jared Gaither, who just intercepted Palko... again.

BTW - Thanks for sending the Chargers an inspired Jared Gaither.
:hail::bolts:

well hopefully we get a top tier QB, a RT upgrade, a Pass Rusher and Berry, Charles and Moe back before next season.

Don't know if anyone posted this yet but here ya go...

I've heard two national people on the radio this morning say that Gaither can't play RT - Baltimore even said so after they released him.

So this isn't about Barry Richardson, it's about BRANDON ALBERT.

Yes, Gaither did pretty good Monday night but he did it at LT not RT.

As a general rule, I agree with this line of thinking, but there are some RBs that I think are an exception.

Jim Brown, OJ Simpson, Earl Campbell, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, and Marshall Faulk come to mind.

Trent Richardson brings Earl Campell to mind when I watch him play, and if we are drafting at 14 or 15, if he's there, highly improbable, I'd be hard pressed to pass on him in the draft.

Clearly QB is the priority for this team, and for any team that doesn't have one.

But if there isn't a first round QB on the board, Trent Richardson should be a very strong consideration.

The argument isn't that we shouldn't make protection a priority.

It is that QB is THE priority.

There's no question we have work to do on the O-Line, but you should never make fixing the O-Line a bigger priority than finding a QB.

Good points. So many teams though with a young QB do not put a team around them, especially on the line. Rookies are going to hold onto the ball too long. This team cannot go RT in the first round and leave us with the same old crap at QB. We have the talent to go around a young QB but we do need to fix the void at RT.

In this particular draft, I suspect that RT can be addressed as late as the third and fourth rounds.

I just saw this. Hope it's not a repost:


http://boltbeat.com/2011/12/06/thank...jared-gaither/

Exactly.

QB is the priority, but protecting that investment should also be a priority. Barry Richardson is, in no way, a passable NFL tackle.

We don't need to draft a guy in the 2nd. I'm not an NFL scout. I don't get paid to scour film for 8+ hours a day to recognize talented NFL players. I'm sure, somehow, we can acquire someone adequate... even if it's a temporary stop gap... through one of the many avenues of player acquisition available to us. I think our OL is solid outside of that one spot.

Seriously there will probably be at least 40 guys available in the draft or FA next year who would be an upgrade over Richardson. He's just awful.

Another way of looking at this is that David Mims has grown into the position and will replace Richardson as the starting RT in the near future.

42 minutes ago - by Dan McLellan - Gaither received game ball
LT Jared Gaither, who was claimed off the waiver wire two weeks ago, received a game ball for his performance against the Bills. “I did it more for what we have done offensively,” coach Norv Turner said. “Then, when you watch the tape, he was deserving of the game ball. I don’t know where we would be if we didn’t get Gaither.”

He's going to join Stanzi and Powe on the all-Pine team. Mims wasn't active last week.

Todd Haley says no problem Norv, i like to help out rivals within the division.

From ProFootballTalk.com

He wasn't traded...

Left tackle? Right tackle? Oh who cares, they're both the same, right?

Tom-ay-to Tom-ah-to

We need to move Albert/ dumbass Chiefs fans

to a point there is validity to moving him, I'm rooting for the kid but he's just an adequate OT but an all-world OG . Just sayin

This.

He's given up 26 sacks in less than 4 yrs. That's with Thigpen rolling out to the right to "hide" Alberts flaws in his rookie year. He's given up over 20 sacks in less than 3 yrs. when you take away his protected rookie year. He still has time to give up more this year.

https://twitter.com/#!/ProFootbalFoc...44978483400704

https://twitter.com/#!/DanKolko/stat...44769212792833

I hope Gaither is helping to save Norv's job. It would all be worth it then.

They aren't the same. But, guess what? Albert can play RT. And, the 'Gaither won't play RT' is speculation, not fact.

The Chiefs line would have been better with Albert at RT and Gaither at LT, if that is what they had to do.

But, the speculation about him 'refusing' to play RT, is just that. It stems from his stint in Baltimore. What it ignores is his injury and the fact that he came in much lighter than the Ravens wanted as their RT.

But, that doesn't fit the story, so why worry about facts.

Regardless of how you try to spin it, the fact that Gaither is starting in San Deigo and doing better than ANY player on the Chiefs offensive line speaks volumes to how poorly Haley managed the talent that was here.

Based on?

Michael Lombardi not only said he wouldn't play RT but that he flat SUCKED when he did. But Michael Lombardi is only a valid source when it fits your side of the argument, right?

First, Albert has played RT and LT. I know he has been an LT with the Chiefs. But, he played RT and RG in college.

Second, I didn't hear the interview about Gaither. I wish I had. If he is talking about Gaither when he was in Baltimore, it is mainly about his weight. He had back surgery and had dropped a lot of weight.

But, if he sucked at RT, when he did.... it would seem to indicate that some coach got him to play RT.

Lets say he did suck. Lets say it was based on THIS year. #1) Then you move Albert to RT. Yes, there will be growing pains, but he can do it and the Chiefs are better with Albert at RT and Gaither at LT.

#2) Even if you don't want to displace Albert (although he is far from a great pro bowl tackle. He is an average starting LT....but whatever), don't you think Gaither would be better than Richardson? Or would you think that Richardson DIDN'T suck when he played RT?

Again, Pioli can acquire all the talent he wants. It doesn't do any good if Haley is inflexible and won't get them on the field.

Just watch sunday night when suggs owns his ass.Jags and bills he looks good both those teams where playing backup DE.

Still better than EVERYONE who has owned Richardson. At least against Suggs, it would make sense.... but I imagine he will hold his own.

From today:

John Harbaugh on Jared Gaither: "Jared has been stellar."

Haloti ngata on Jared Gaither: "He's big and tough to get around"

Damn, was just poking around PFF and realized that Gaithers second game was scored out at +3.5. GoChiefs, when was the last time Albert scored that high?

Think of where this team would be if they had just kept Gaither and went:

Gaither, Albert, Hudson, Asamoah, player to be attainted or Mims.

Albert has a had hell of a season and you jackasses still want to move him to guard.

The back up to B. Richardson is Steve Maneri. We picked him up off of waivers from the PATRIOTS ba da boom.

yep getting the BEST players on the field I'd buy into that.

Mims was brought up from the Practice Squad right? Not sure how he has looked but who cares. Unless Stanzi plays I don't really care how many times Mims lets the QB get hit.

Hell of a season giving up 5 sacks and 8 penalties. How many sacks does Gaither project to give up?

You are the jackass. Some of you guys couldn't fathom moving Albert b/c you're so happy he's finally "decent". In his last 42 games(3 seasons) he's been penalized 25 times and given up 21.75 sacks, and those are just the ones blamed on him. Doesn't count the ones his man got when the QB is blamed.

I remember when the standard on this board was giving up less than 4 sacks a year. Not averaging 7.

Albert will probably give up more this year.

That'd be interesting to know. Might also put things in a good perspective for guys like ChiefsCountry.

Gaither was a worhless piece of shit for the Chiefs. Color me unimpressed againtst the Jaguars, who have no pass rush at all none, that he had a game like that. Gaither was a lazy ****ing piece of shit, which is why he got cut from the Chiefs and the Ravens. He is playing for a ****ing contract now with the Chargers. I'm sorry that you are so ****ing blind to that. Go suck Gaither and Stanzi's cock you stupid ****er.

Being a sports fan is a tool to keep us all divided and against one another in a competitive since. Us vs them. Fan allegiances sometimes divide even more so than religious beliefs or political stances. Divide and conquer is how we lose. We have to learn to stand together and that in the grand scheme of things sports really don't matter.

Now, someone pass me the peace pipe. Time to smoke some wampum, I guess. lol.

Die Beaker, die.

Oh and puff puff pass bro.

Not once this year.

He got a 4.0 last year against Denver in the game at Arrowhead.

He got a 5.4 against Denver in the season finale in 2009.

Other than that he has been below 3.5 in all other games.

Our line would probably be better next year if we went:

Gaither Albert Hudson Asmoah RTX

Instead we are going to be left hoping we can find a replacement RT and a replacement for either Lilja or Wiegmann, or possibly both.

The Chiefs ****ed this up.

BTW, Albert has not had a "hell of a season." He's been pretty good, but he is not playing at an elite level or anything. Moving him would make sense if we had a guy like Gaither.

Yeah.
Haley ****ed it up. Released Gaither for a false start but let Palko keep the QB gig after throwing back to back INTs. :#

LMAO This boy high as a kite.

The guy was soft in Baltimore. I wouldn't be surprised if he was sof in kc too.

Look, I don't trust kc's ability to evaluate talent. But I trust baltimores.

Hopefully our new coach will allow the line to get up to normal playing weight again.

That pissed me off about Haley.

Gaither got on the field a few times for the Chiefs, and each and every time he looked good, and did his job. How exactly was Gaither a "worthless" or "lazy ass piece of shit" for the Chiefs this year? What do you have to support this argument?

yeah i agree.
the Raiders pushed our OLine around like rag dolls twice last season because of that shit.

It was the right move. We don't have a weight problem. We have a talent problem.

I agree, but didn't Albert regress when he dropped the weight?



Did our injuries drop after they lost weight? Did line effectiveness increase after the weight drop, or was it just Charles making plays and taking pressure off the pass game?


There is no definate answer.

Haley can't release players. The speculation is that Pioli released him b/c there was talk that someone was looking to sign Mims off of our practice squad.

Can't stand how Pioli thinks he knows OL talent. Maneri would have been good candidate to get cut, but he came from the Patriots so....

No. The reason Albert regressed is b/c we stopped running an offense where the QB rolled out to the right more often than not, in order to hide our LT's lack of skill.

So, it is coaching and skill.

yeah i hear ya man.
the chiefs roster is overloaded with washed up Cards players.

Breaston is the only former Cards player that's worth a **** on the current Chiefs roster.

He regressed. But he's playing well this year. Still could improve but he is effective.

Line play didn't improve. But again, that's a talent problem. First, we need a qb who can spot a blitz, find a hot read, and get rid of the ball quickly. Cassel makes them worse. Second, we have horrible rbs right now, but we are actually running effectively this year. That's a credit to how good our oline is at run blocking.

The olinemen with talent are fine. Albert, Asamoah, and Hudson (on limited snaps)

Norv is rubbing salt into our wound.

--Coach Norv Turner has been effusive in his praise for LT Jared Gaither, who has started two games after being released by the Chiefs. Turner gave him a game ball after Sunday's win. "He's a big man (with) long arms, and he's a very good athlete," Turner said. "So, he's kind of bailed us out. I don't know where we would have been without him. I don't think we would have won the last two games, and I think we would have continued to struggle to protect the quarterback."

--Left tackle Jared Gaither, who has found a home in San Diego, started his career in Baltimore. That makes for a warm coming-back angle but instead Gaither knows his biggest focus must be on slowing the Ravens' Terrell Suggs. "He is a good defensive end, good outside linebacker, pass rusher. He is a good player," Gaither said. "He can pretty much do it all. That's why he is up for Defensive Player of the Year. I'm looking forward to the matchup."


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/1...at-left-tackle

Thanks again Haley. It is so great that you refused to find a way to get Gaither on the field.

Pioli, I would love to bash you....but considering that Gaither was on a 1 year deal, and you didn't expect to fire Haley midseason.... I understand cutting a guy that your coach didn't get along with.

If we had been starting Gaither on the right side all season and then re-signed him after, think about how set we would be- ONE starting center or guard away from having the offensive line the true fans dream of. Barry Richardson would be a back up where he belongs, and we would have one entire offseason to put Hudson in and work out a replacement for old men Weigmann/Lilja